intakes

[epickakashi]

hi, I own a 1993 300ZX NA 2+2 and im thinking about purchasing a new intake and i was wondering what everyone thought about injen intakes, apexi intakes, and the jwt pop charger.

[clickdoc]

go with the JWT popcharger -- as for Injen -- an ebay Bomz hard pipe kit is exactly the same -- i have had both -- at a 1/3 the cost

NSR will probably disagree -- there a lot of ebay haters -- i am one myself - - but the hard pipe kit is exactly that -- a pipe -- hard to screw that up !

[nsrZ32]

^ I agree on a pipe being a pipe.

If we're talking strictly about filter quality, apex-i makes the best filters but price per hp gain, JWT's popcharger kit is probably your best bet

[nsrZ32]

Here's a filter comparision done by a brittish company several years back

[epickakashi]

i currently have the apexi filter but i dont know how long the previous owner has had it on there for.do you know where i can find a picture of a the pipes installed im thinking i might go with black hard pipes or mabey a gun metal. and do you know how long i can use a apexi filter before i have to replace it?sorry about all the questions

[freakonaleash1187]

As almost all Z owners will say, for intake, get the JWT popcharger. And if you really want the pipes (they have no horsepower gain, strictly cosmetic), just get an ebay kit.

[clickdoc]

i can't believe NSRz32 actually agreed with me on that ! by the way -- to make it look exaclty like the injen kit -- buy their hoses to attach the ebay (i called BOMZ direct and asked for just the pipe kit) kit -- as for as performance -- although miniscule -- wouldn't the non-smooth stock pipes cost a bit of HP ??

[clickdoc]

PS - samco also makes some nice hose couplers

[epickakashi]

thanks

[NSR_s30]

APC?

[96SoftTop]

So, I want to "tack-on" a question. I am told that:

1. If I install new intake pipes, attached to the MAF, the ECU will have to be "flashed" to compensate for the new A/F Mixture. Is this true? If So:

1a. Does it have to be done by an "Authorized Nissan Service Department", or would other service centers know how to do this? (like, whom, for example?)

1b. Is this something that can be done in the driveway? The "flash" I mean. My Cougar automatically learns it's new A/F settings, as well as exhaust (via MIL), timing settings, and shift points. Will a Nissan learn?

2. Is this new ECU Flash necessary for any/every other change that I might make to intake/exhaust?

Thanks!

Ken

[Milo (San Antonio)]

^ I agree on a pipe being a pipe.

If we're talking strictly about filter quality, apex-i makes the best filters but price per hp gain, JWT's popcharger kit is probably your best bet

Agree. There was a comparison some time back and Apexi came up best.

[Milo (San Antonio)]

Nevermind, someone posted it above. Didn't see that.

Doh!

[freakonaleash1187]

So, I want to "tack-on" a question. I am told that:

1. If I install new intake pipes, attached to the MAF, the ECU will have to be "flashed" to compensate for the new A/F Mixture. Is this true? If So:

1a. Does it have to be done by an "Authorized Nissan Service Department", or would other service centers know how to do this? (like, whom, for example?)

1b. Is this something that can be done in the driveway? The "flash" I mean. My Cougar automatically learns it's new A/F settings, as well as exhaust (via MIL), timing settings, and shift points. Will a Nissan learn?

2. Is this new ECU Flash necessary for any/every other change that I might make to intake/exhaust?

Thanks!

Ken

The only time you will need to do an ECU reflash is if you:

1. Get the dual pop charger.2. Get upgraded fuel injectors.3. Get upgraded turbos.

Those are the three I know of, there might be other things, but those are the three main ones. So no, if you are just getting a single intake and intake tubes, you do not need a reflash.

[TheRocket300zxtt]

Anyone else having problems with Z1 having their stuff back ordered? I ordered a Doolz intake about 3 weeks ago and they still haven't shipped.

[freakonaleash1187]

Anyone else having problems with Z1 having their stuff back ordered? I ordered a Doolz intake about 3 weeks ago and they still haven't shipped.

Z1 just got done with their "Z Nationals," so they are having to catch up on everything.

[phanatikz32]

whats the whole deal with intake piping anyway? IMO all they do is make things more dificult... they never stay on properly and do they even have any purpose other than to look flashy? im pretty sure jwt pop charger is all you need but if you want to get aftermarket piping for your intake then go for black piping. all chrome or machined piping will do is get you a fix it ticket... thats all po po's look for under your hood is chrome... they talk **** about how they are trained to find things but its not true... i was with a friend of mine in his evo when he got pulled over once... popo had hip pop the hood and couldnt find anything out of order so he let us go... that friend has about a G worth of illegal parts under his hood but since he keeps his engine bay stockish cops cant tell... but yea enough of my ranting... dont bother get piping... its useless

[epickakashi]

wow i did not know that you can get a ticket for that in california, where i live the cops never ask you to pop your hood no matter what your car looks like. they only hand out speeding tickets or impound your car if your speeding or street racing.

[mahchu07]

Well, Killeen isn't racing central. I used to live in Texas and have family at Fort Hood. It's a lot easier to get a fix it ticket in California, on the other hand it's also easier to find a performance parts store. IMO all the pipes are for show, unless they are shorter or anything like that in which case they're not really worth it.

[epickakashi]

whats a fix it ticket? and i agree on the pipes but im about to take my car to hot import nights and i need the engine bay to look as good as the body will as soon as i get my body kit in.

[phanatikz32]

whats a fix it ticket?

basically its illegal to modify certain parts of your car... mainly anything to do with suspension, and engine. if you are caught with "illegal" modifications cops give you a fix it ticket stating that you have to remove the "illegal" part and take your car to any law enforcment agency and have it signed off by a police officer to verify you removed the part... you dont have to pay anything to the government but if you want to keep the part on the car they usually allow you to pay some ridiculous amount of money to keep it on... for example i recieved a fix it ticket on my window tint because it is illegal to have the front 2 windows tinted and mine are limo dark so i can either remove it and get it signed off for free or, i can pay 300 dollars to keep it on... so what im going to do is pay 50 bucks to get it removed and then pay another 50 bucks to get it redone. after the po signs it off . i also have a fix-it ticket for my exhaust because it makes a "loud and unusual noise" according to the dumbass who pulled me over. however the legal decibal limit according to the california vehicle code is 95 decibals and thats like a fuggin chopper harley... so i took my car to a friends shop and he decibel checked it and signed off that its lower than the legal limit and i got off scott free. you can get off most fix it tickets if you do a little bit of research

[phanatikz32]

wow i did not know that you can get a ticket for that in california, where i live the cops never ask you to pop your hood no matter what your car looks like. they only hand out speeding tickets or impound your car if your speeding or street racing.

police in califorina have over-inflated ego's... they think they own the world. the only thing they are concerned with is filling their quota of tickets to hand out and ****in up as many lives a possible... ive been to court 4 times in the last 6 months for stupid **** and the issuing officer never shows up, because its always some bull**** like "we pulled you over because your headlight was out now POP YOUR HOOD!"

[epickakashi]

hey if i go visit someone in california and i get stopped can they still give me a fix it ticket? man i never heard of fix it tickets till now, everytime i get stopped the cop complements my car and then hands me a ticket or warning. i dont know if texas has a decibal law but in killeen theres a couple of supras that have hks titanium exausts without the supressor on, man their exaust is louder than any car or motorcycle ive heard on the road. man i would hate to have to pay to keep something on my car that i just bought.

[phanatikz32]

hey if i go visit someone in california and i get stopped can they still give me a fix it ticket?

sadly yes you can still get a fix it ticket AND you will have to have it corrected or pay the fine to the district in which you were pulled over which can be a ***** because if you are visiting you will most likely have to leave or go home before the ticket is entered into the system so you will basically HAVE to pay for it because there will be no time for you to remove the part and get it signed off by a law enforcment agency in california... now i dont know if there is an exception for out of state drivers... but there prob. is some technicality to where you can get it signed off in your home state and have a copy mailed to the issuing department. but i got pulled over and cited in pamona ( an hour away from where i live ) for some dumb **** and now i have to miss a day of work and drive all the way the hell back out to the pamona courthouse to plead not guilty to that dumb **** all because they dont allow transfers

everytime i get stopped the cop complements my car and then hands me a ticket or warning

this will almost NEVER happen in cali... most police officers and ALL highway patrol, HATE tuners! most cops out here are like cocky white guys who hate anything that is not american made with a big block 350 in it! however one time i got pulled over buy a cop who was a z owner... turned out he had a 94 tt putting out about 450 to the wheels! he told me all about his car and let me off with a warning... his car was more illegal than mine . but that was a once in a lifetime stroke of luck!

[96SoftTop]

sadly yes you can still get a fix it ticket AND you will have to have it corrected or pay the fine to the district in which you were pulled over which can be a ***** because if you are visiting you will most likely have to leave or go home before the ticket is entered into the system so you will basically HAVE to pay for it because there will be no time for you to remove the part and get it signed off by a law enforcment agency in california...

Actually, CARB Laws (California Air Resources Board) only apply to California Registered vehicles. I lived out there for six years and never had my car inspected for emmissions, much less modifications because my car was never registered in CA.

Now, I'm not sure if there is a way that they haved tied body or suspension mods to safety, but they can't ticket an Out-of-State car for emmissions related to engine mods. Technically, I would be surprised if they could make you even open your hood since you never signed that waiver on the CA registration form. (The exception would be if you lived in a reciprocal State that had the same laws governing those mods, and I don't know of a State that does...)

I had a friend out there who took his big Ford Pickup to get inspected once. He easily passed the sniffer, but as soon as the guy opened his hood and saw a chrome air cleaner, he failed him. "Not OEM"...

Now, caveat all the above with the fact that I haven't lived in CA for several years, and laws may have changed. I am certainly not trying to give legal advice, but when I was there last year with my modded Cougar, nobody ever questioned it. It has minor body mods, minor suspension mods, a CAI and a hi-flow exhaust system with a test pipe. In AZ, only Tucson and Phoenix have emmissions testing. I live south of there, and we have no inspections other than the VIN when you first register a car.

This was probably a whole different thread...

Ken

[freakonaleash1187]

And that is why I don't get why car enthusiasts live in California, I know I never would.

[phanatikz32]

Actually, CARB Laws (California Air Resources Board) only apply to California Registered vehicles. I lived out there for six years and never had my car inspected for emmissions, much less modifications because my car was never registered in CA.

Now, I'm not sure if there is a way that they haved tied body or suspension mods to safety, but they can't ticket an Out-of-State car for emmissions related to engine mods. Technically, I would be surprised if they could make you even open your hood since you never signed that waiver on the CA registration form. (The exception would be if you lived in a reciprocal State that had the same laws governing those mods, and I don't know of a State that does...)

I had a friend out there who took his big Ford Pickup to get inspected once. He easily passed the sniffer, but as soon as the guy opened his hood and saw a chrome air cleaner, he failed him. "Not OEM"...

Now, caveat all the above with the fact that I haven't lived in CA for several years, and laws may have changed. I am certainly not trying to give legal advice, but when I was there last year with my modded Cougar, nobody ever questioned it. It has minor body mods, minor suspension mods, a CAI and a hi-flow exhaust system with a test pipe. In AZ, only Tucson and Phoenix have emmissions testing. I live south of there, and we have no inspections other than the VIN when you first register a car.Ken

yea your prob. right about that whole "only applies to ca registered vehicles" i was just going by experience. but most cops dont really try to go after you for suspension because most dont know what to look for but i know for a fact in cali it is not legal for your car to be any more than 1 in. lower than stock. and any modified suspension part is not legal but again most cops cant tell if your suspension is modified but a friend of mine got pulled over by this nostrodamus cop who could name off all of the modified suspension parts under his car just by following him and watching the ride of his car... which is not too hard if you know suspension but most cops dont know suspension... what part of cali did you live in? because that depends alot on how the cops act if your dealing with LAPD then you can expect to have to pop your hood at least 50% of the time when you get pulled over... at least if you are driving a car that looks tuned.

I have been extremely nervous around my area now that my exhaust tips are broken off... im basically running open exhaust and i will have too untill i can replace my system... im riding on faith!

[phanatikz32]

And that is why I don't get why car enthusiasts live in California, I know I never would.

once again it depends on what part of cali you live in... but i was born and raised in cali and its not like i have the money to move even if i wanted to... if i did move tho it would be to the east coast, but that prob. wont be for a while but cali is cool mostly... it may sound stupid but your actually better off having a tuned car in a bad neighborhood than a good one out here... cops dont care about the hood, they protect the rich thats why everytime i get pulled over its outside of my area but actaully i just moved into a nicer neighborhood so im expecting more cop trouble but it would be great to move somewhere where the standards werent so ridiculously high...

[epickakashi]

And that is why I don't get why car enthusiasts live in California, I know I never would.

i agree, i like it here in texas. gas is decently cheap, and the roads are mostly clear.hey just out of curiosity how much does gas cost where everyones at?over here its 2.89 for supreme, 93 octane

[Hamann]

Wow i feel bad for all you in CALI

NC cops are stupid as ****

My friend and i got pulled in his MR2 for speeding and the cop touched the HOOD and said and i quote " well the engine dosnt seem to hot so i guess you werent running it that hard. I will let you go this time but i dont wanna see you speeding around here anymore"

I had to hold back the laugh while he was standing there.