Well, contrary to the news casts I did not have to wait at all at my voting precinct. As of 7:30am there were 105 voters before me. The Voter ID law that has been law in Indiana for 2 years now did not slow down the process for us and we were able to cast our ballots.

I feel kind of weird voting for Hillary Clinton, but its done.

bud

Wife and I will vote later today

Cold_Zero wrote:I feel kind of weird voting for Hillary Clinton, but its done.

You and me both. Operation Chaos in full effect!

And all three of you have referred to me as a liberal. Geeesh.

We are just following what the Dems did in New Hampshire to ensure Mac won.

We are following the Democrats lead. Unfortunately it seems Congress is doing the same thing

See now I voted for OBama simply because I hate Hillary more than anything in the world.

I'll be voting McCain this fall.

Eikon wrote:See now I voted for OBama simply because I hate Hillary more than anything in the world.

I'll be voting McCain this fall.

Can you please explain why?

So I take it you are happy and pleased that we went to war under false pretenses. We were deceived and lied to by our president. The richest Americans were given tax cuts that they neither asked for or needed. We have spent trillions of dollars in Iraq over oil that so far has pushed up oil prices to $120 a barrel. Our roads, schools, and infastructure are falling apart millions are without healthcare and you want McCain to continue doing what has been done to us for the past 7 1/2 years.And the reason you hate Hillary is?She tried once to give us healthcare and take on the drug and healthcare companies. She now has the experience behind her to try again and you want McCain?

Telcoman

telcoman wrote:
Can you please explain why?

So I take it you are happy and pleased that we went to war under false pretenses. We were deceived and lied to by our president. The richest Americans were given tax cuts that they neither asked for or needed. We have spent trillions of dollars in Iraq over oil that so far has pushed up oil prices to $120 a barrel. Our roads, schools, and infastructure are falling apart millions are without healthcare and you want McCain to continue doing what has been done to us for the past 7 1/2 years.And the reason you hate Hillary is?She tried once to give us healthcare and take on the drug and healthcare companies. She now has the experience behind her to try again and you want McCain?

Telcoman

Nice rhetoric

Bush had Congress approvalWhere is our oil if we are only there for oil?Why should the people who invest and help provide jobs be fully penalized to cover all the load?Show me where people are guaranteed healthcare by the Constitution?Hillary care was crap to the point that even the Democrat darling Michael Moore slammed it

Let's look at the problems we are facing.1. A war already costing over a half trillion dollars and 4000+ lives.2. Gas prices over 4 bucks, and talk today on the news of 6 dollar a gallon gas.3. Sub prime lending that has screwed all the people who didn't get greedy. We're all paying for that now.4. A dollar that is falling in value by the day.5. A country that is universally hated and despised for it's international big brother attitude.6. Taxes that will probably be going up, or an national debt that is beyond satisfaction.

Shall I keep on with this? Now, what does Hillary offer for any one of those problems? The 3am phone call. I truly hope she never answers a phone call at 3 am, Allah help us if she does.

Look at her remarks about Iran. Do you really want that attitude in charge of the military?

Sorry telcoman. I'd vote democratic most every time, but, I have to have someone viable to vote for. I'm really at a loss this time. It's all coming down to who the VP running mate is. The VP will decide my vote.

telcoman wrote:
Can you please explain why?

So I take it you are happy and pleased that we went to war under false pretenses. We were deceived and lied to by our president. The richest Americans were given tax cuts that they neither asked for or needed. We have spent trillions of dollars in Iraq over oil that so far has pushed up oil prices to $120 a barrel. Our roads, schools, and infastructure are falling apart millions are without healthcare and you want McCain to continue doing what has been done to us for the past 7 1/2 years.And the reason you hate Hillary is?She tried once to give us healthcare and take on the drug and healthcare companies. She now has the experience behind her to try again and you want McCain?

Telcoman

I hate Hillary because I think she's a rotten person and a rotten politician.

For the record, I'm not a big fan of McCain. But I like him better than the two Dems.

I have to make an observation... Why is it that SOOO many people seem to be voting Democrat this year because they hate George Bush? Last time I checked, Bush wasn't running in 2008.

Don't vote against McCain because you don't like Bush. McCain doesn't either.

What experience does Hillary have exactly? Last time I checked she spent eight years "not" in the White House while her husband was sleeping around. All she managed to come out of the White House with was scandal. Her fame got her elected to senate from a state that she had nothing to do with. She spent her time in the senate preparing for a run for Pres. She's done NOTHING but throw daggers at the Republican party and try to tie up the political process and make it bog down and not work at all.

Eikon wrote:
I hate Hillary because I think she's a rotten person and a rotten politician.

For the record, I'm not a big fan of McCain. But I like him better than the two Dems.

I have to make an observation... Why is it that SOOO many people seem to be voting Democrat this year because they hate George Bush? Last time I checked, Bush wasn't running in 2008.

Don't vote against McCain because you don't like Bush. McCain doesn't either.

The problem is that McCain is seen as more of the same. People want a change, but they are at a loss with these candidates. McCain's stance on the war is one example, it may be the truth, but people want to hear of better times, not more of the same.

I would hope people would want to hear what is needed which happens to be the truth.

The basics are: Protect ourselves and our boarders. Make us further energy dependent. Stop spending money for the sake of spending. Pay down the deficit. Don't punish the do'ers while promoting sitting on your azz and living off the Gov't.

IMO

audtatious wrote:I would hope people would want to hear what is needed which happens to be the truth.

IMO

And when has any politician ever followed that? They tell you exactly what they think you want to hear. People want to hear of clear sunny skies, not the polluted state of affairs we currently have.

But darn, you're right on on the border issue. That's a must.

Which seems to be one of the reasons I dislike Mac. His wife seems cool tho.

audtatious wrote:
Nice rhetoric

Bush had Congress approvalWhere is our oil if we are only there for oil?Why should the people who invest and help provide jobs be fully penalized to cover all the load?Show me where people are guaranteed healthcare by the Constitution?Hillary care was crap to the point that even the Democrat darling Michael Moore slammed it

Actually, a better question is if the Invasion of Iraq was all about controlling their oil, why didnt we invade a small oil rich nation like Qatar, Bahrain or Kuwait to take over their oil reserves? It would have been a hell of a lot easier and these nations have very little population as to avoid urban warfare.

Eikon wrote:I have to make an observation... Why is it that SOOO many people seem to be voting Democrat this year because they hate George Bush? Last time I checked, Bush wasn't running in 2008.

Don't vote against McCain because you don't like Bush. McCain doesn't either.

Here is another observation. The same people voting for Obama are the wide eyed idealists that swept out Republican control of Congress in 2006. What did they get? They cried for a withdraw from Iraq. Did they get it? NO. Will Obama be able to deliver this if he wins? Probably not. They have a Congress that has a lower approval rating than the evil George W. Bush.They have a Congress that can't stand up to Bush on FISA, Patriot Act and appropriations for the War in Iraq. They rubber stamp everything that he sends along.

What is it that people say, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing every time and expecting a different result. Well, keep it up Democrats, we might get out of Iraq this way.

Realize there is some stuff being setup in place today by Pelosi and gang for the "eventual" Democrat President that may be in office next. From what I have seen in articles they are putting things in place that they can turn around and remove next year in order to make the President look good and claim it was something Bush put in.

Fun times....

Back to the topic. I am utterly amazed at the amount of people that told me they were crossing over and then at the last second pulled a Republican ballot. At least Andy, my wife and I had the guts to cross over and vote Dem. The early numbers are at that 10% of the Democratic votes were cross over votes. We will see when the numbers get finalized.

Dear Hillary,You are welcome.bud

Nothing's cuter than a Hillary supporter that still believes in miracles...

I would not necessarily call him a supporter

audtatious wrote:We are just following what the Dems did in New Hampshire to ensure Mac won.

We are following the Democrats lead. Unfortunately it seems Congress is doing the same thing

so just because the dems did it its ok? are you guys in grade school still?

Where were you guys calling out the Democrats when they did it? Yeah, that's right, you didn't say anything as there sure were no complaints posted anywhere.

What's good for the goose......

audtatious wrote:Where were you guys calling out the Democrats when they did it? Yeah, that's right, you didn't say anything as there sure were no complaints posted anywhere.

What's good for the goose......

uh do u think im a dem? im not. assumptions like that can make you look foolish.

even tho im voting for mccain, i think what you guys are doing is kind of ghey. why stoop to their level? rise above it, just because they do it doesnt mean you should do it too.

stopcamping wrote:
so just because the dems did it its ok? are you guys in grade school still?

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well im just pointing out that the behavior of some of these posters undermines the entire point of democracy. isnt this a valid point for discussion?

Feel free to pursue that line of thought. We're striving for a forum where ideas can be exchanged and discussed in a polite fashion. I hope you will add to it.

stopcamping wrote:well im just pointing out that the behavior of some of these posters undermines the entire point of democracy. isnt this a valid point for discussion?

I tend to stay away from mines, let alone getting under them. You would do well to remember that this great experiment we have here in the US is NOT a Democracy. It is a Constitutional Federal Republic.

Also, if the Great State of Indiana tells me that I can declare my party at the time that I vote and allows me to change my affiliation at anytime, how am I subverting the voting process? I would point out that in 1991 I registered Democrat and voted for Jerry Brown.

stopcamping wrote:
uh do u think im a dem? im not. assumptions like that can make you look foolish.

even tho im voting for mccain, i think what you guys are doing is kind of ghey. why stoop to their level? rise above it, just because they do it doesnt mean you should do it too.

My reply was irrelevent of you being a dem or a rep. Indiana gives me the right to vote dem or rep as I wish. You can call us acting "8th grade" all you want and I'll still laugh about doing it all day long.

audtatious wrote:
My reply was irrelevent of you being a dem or a rep.

ok

audtatious wrote:You can call us acting "8th grade" all you want and I'll still laugh about doing it all day long.

ok 8th grader.

Cold_Zero wrote: You would do well to remember that this great experiment we have here in the US is NOT a Democracy. It is a Constitutional Federal Republic.

Um, this "great experiment" is also called representative democracy too. so it is a democracy.

Cold_Zero wrote:Also, if the Great State of Indiana tells me that I can declare my party at the time that I vote and allows me to change my affiliation at anytime, how am I subverting the voting process?

you're subverting it by not genuinely supporting clinton. you want her to win so she can lose the gen election to mccain. this undermines what our country stands for. im for mccain winning but not in this underhanded way.

stopcamping wrote:you're subverting it by not genuinely supporting clinton. you want her to win so she can lose the gen election to mccain. this undermines what our country stands for. im for mccain winning but not in this underhanded way.

Where did I say that? That I just wanted her to win so that McCan't can beat her in the General Elections? My guys are so long out that I couldn't give a **** about who wins any of the primaries. Would I want Hillary as President over Obama? Yes. Would I want Hillary as President over McCan't? Still trying to wrestle with this. Maybe we need Obama in office to really flush out his crypto Socialism/Liberalism/Communism. I don't understand why Liberals and Socialists in this country can't take a history lesson from Europe, Asia and Africa and see where some of their ideas have failed in the past. I sense an arrogence that the only reasons why these ideas have failed, is because the United States of American hasn't tried it.

But the simple fact is, in my State I am not bound by an affiliation to either party. I have no official membership in either party and I really wouldnt want one. I take my Republican friends to task over unions and eduction, I take my Democratic friends to task as well over education and unions and I take my Libertarian friends to task over legalization of drugs.