im new here and got my first 90 240sx

[my90_240sx]

[img]well im 18 got my second car and its a 90 240sx im dream car love it. got it for $1500 need body work i pulled up and i made a vid ill post my links and u can follow me if u sub me on you tube . well had it for 1 month and i need to do things like change oil oil filter fuses some bulbs air filter small thing and well when i got it off the guy i did see the frame it wuz rusted out in both front sides just before the fender well ok i sed i can fix it my cuzzin has a welder so no biggy like 3 days of having it i wuz going the change brake pads so started to jack it up the frame wuz bending i wuzz like oooooooooo noooo so i pull out the jack and wuz like f*** . so how can i fix it just cut it and make new sub frame or put like git squer piping cut it in half and put it over the frame that is there ????? idk?????????????????????????????
and here is the vid on my shifter.>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGTrrsXSsRA&feature=plcp <<<<<<<<<
and this one is my car when i got it i painted it all white looks good il put a vid up soon
>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z_blVJPmqA&feature=plcp <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

[nissangirl74]

If the rust is that bad, you need to get rid of it. No matter what you do, it won't ever be straight or safe to drive. I watched your video. That shifter play is probably an indicator of other more serious problems. If you're lucky, it's just a shifter bushing but it looks like you have an alignment issue of the trans, which could be caused by an improperly mounted trans, rotted transmission mounts, rotted motor mounts. Considering everything else you listed that needed to be fixed, sounds like you bought someone else's headache.

[OriginalWheelman]

Agreed. Frame rot is a HUGE problem for 2450s, especially int he rust belt. If the frame is that bad, the floors are too, and the only hope would be to replace all the metal. That would take so much time, effort, and money, that it will not be worth it, unless you're a fabricator. Even then, it's not always worth it. I'd part it out. I had to do it with my first 240. I made the same mistake. Don't worry though. Get a solid one, and you'll have a decent parts car to keep it running.

[my90_240sx]

well the floor is not rusted and the frame is not rusted just the lil in the front its just weak it all stock but has hks full pipe and raceing seats i did not buy them car run good it would suck to have to sell it there is not many where i live this is the only one that i found around that run i love s13 and i cant find good ones

[orangeNblue]

punctuation is your friend.

back on topic, I would have to agree that you most likely purchased someone else's headache. BUT....if you have the time, patience, and know how then you may be able to build yourself a nice little ride. I would think that going through and reconditioning would be your first step. And fixing the rust, since that's equally as important. The best advise people can give is to make your ride daily drivable and up to date on all of its maintenance. Then go for the modifications. That way you don't have to go back and find your gremlins (issues).

[nissangirl74]

Pics. Post them. They will reveal the truth.

[my90_240sx]

i could not find how to put pics but here is a vid>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gphhIumZ4U&feature=plcp <<<

[AZhitman]

Welcome aboard. You want the bad news or the good news first?

the frame is not rusted just the lil in the front its just weak

Uh, no. It's rusted as all hell. It's so weak, if you jacked up one corner, the doors won't open / close properly. That's bad. And the floor is, I guarantee, rusted. You just can't see it, because it's underneath a layer of rubberized undercoating (which seals in the water and rots from the inside out as well).

A good rule of thumb: The rust you can SEE is 1/3 - 1/4 of what REALLY exists. You're only seeing the outside of those channels, and they're completely eaten away.

An S13 doesn't have a "frame", it's a unibody car.

The rust damage I see in those videos is fatal. Period. You don't have to like it, but that car won't pass a state inspection. Any insurance company would total it, and you might have a problem insuring it. It's NOT driveable, and it won't be unless someone does 2 things:

* Puts it on a frame jig (to straighten it) - otherwise, you'll be buying tires twice a year, because the car will never roll straight
* Welds in a LOT of new metal (and not some half-a$$ job like the prior owner did - that mess is a joke)

Even then, it's a temporary fix at best. The suspension components attach directly to the unibody, and that car will twist like a wet rag if you take a curve or hit a bump. I'm guessing the mounting locations for the front suspension (up inside the strut towers) are rusted even worse. The first HARD turn, stop, or bump and you might be sitting in HALF a car.

That's why the shifter is all whack - the trans crossmember is probably bolted to dust and mud, not solid metal. Nothing you can do to fix that, unless you want to start over.

When you jacked it up, and it flexed, that tells you that the INSIDE of those channels (the "frame", as you called it) is deteriorating. Water gets inside there and the rust eats from the inside out.

(By the way, that's not the proper spot to jack up a 240 - you jack it up on the pinch welds - However, it won't matter. The structural integrity of that car is long gone.)

If you have the contact info for the prior owner (who should be punched in the throat), you may want to contact him and see if he'll take that turd back. NOT cool to sell something like that.

The good news: You're going to get a good education in taking apart a 240sx (which isn't a bad idea) - Because it's a parts car at best.

I've wrenched on (and restored) a lot of cars, and rust is the ONE thing that will make me walk away from ANY car. And I'm really, really good at what I do. This isn't a project you want to tackle, no matter how many people tell you otherwise.

$1500 doesn't buy a useful 240sx. I wish you had checked in before you plunked down your money, we could have helped.

Sorry to be the voice of reason, but someone's gotta say it.

[my90_240sx]

well it dont like im defending the car cuz it a car lol but the is no under coating it bare metel if there wuz this problem problly would never happen this bad but i drive it every day not that bad but might sell it to git a better one

[AZhitman]

I don't want to be rude, but I honestly can barely read what you typed.

It may not be a big deal to you, but that car has no business being on public roads.

If you get in an accident and hit someone else, they'll have no problem suing you - and your insurance company will run like hell.

[frapjap]

well it dont like im defending the car cuz it a car lol but the is no under coating it bare metel if there wuz this problem problly would never happen this bad but i drive it every day not that bad but might sell it to git a better one

[img]well im 18 got my second car and its a 90 240sx im dream car love it. got it for $1500 need body work i pulled up and i made a vid ill post my links and u can follow me if u sub me on you tube . well had it for 1 month and i need to do things like change oil oil filter fuses some bulbs small thing and well when i got it off the guy i did see the frame it wuz rusted out in both front sides just before the fender well ok i sed i can fix it my cuzzin has a welder so no biggy like 3 days of having it i wuz going the change so started to jack it up the frame wuz bending i wuzz like oooooooooo noooo so i pull out the jack and wuz like f*** . so how can i fix it just cut it and make new sub frame or put like git squer piping cut it in half and put it over the frame that is there ????? idk?????????????????????????????
and here is the vid on my shifter

Seriously, what version of English is this? Jebus Christ man, make an attempt to try to spell correctly and use punctuation. I hope to God you're not over the age of 18 or have English as a second language so that way you have a marginal excuse for writing in such an uneducated manner.
Your replies are a headache to read.
Even through your engrish, folks are helping you out here. Take their advice.

[Bubba1]

well it dont like im defending the car cuz it a car lol but the is no under coating it bare metel if there wuz this problem problly would never happen this bad but i drive it every day not that bad but might sell it to git a better one

It sounds like you still are defending your car, because you've got some very experienced folks telling you the truth that you paid top dollar for a parts car. it's too far gone to think about re-building it as a driver. Sorry.


Good luck if you sell it, but don't get too annoyed if you don't get what you have invested in it.

[krash]

Anyway, I'm not sure what you're referring to as the "frame". The rust on the rocker panel should be fixable as long as its not eating away at the rest of your car. If the actual rails under the car are rusted out, then like bubba said, you bought an expensive parts car.

NEVERMIND. Holy crapballs I just watched the other video. That rail is trash dude. You can get a reproduction peice to weld over the part near the front of the car, but I'm positive most of the rail is rotted from the inside. Also, like greg said, there is bound to be rust on the floor as well. There is a black rubberized undercoating on the whole bottom of the car. Its there, its like that from the factory. When you start peeling/chipping that off you're not going to like what you see.

You live and learn, now you know what to look for when buying a 240. The car you bought is pretty much a perfect example off all the places that an s13 usually rusts out.

[NolimitZ32]

Sorry OP but this car belongs in a parts yard.

[300ZXttZMAN]

Sounds like you bought someone else's headache.

This.