Im in domestic hell plz help

Post by **SigmaNIN** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 5:15 am

Hey all I need some help here. i was wondering where if any shops around my area could do a sr20 swap for me. As u read from the topic im in domestic hell. I live in Grand Rapids, Michigan and this is the land of mustangs and camaros. I think daunt is out in iowa?? but was wondering if anyone knows of a place in my area (michogan, illionois, indiana) that can do the swap right. Here is my car i got a 1989 240sx se with blown headgasket and f'ed auto transmission. Thanks adead of time. If i have to i migth tow it over to u daunt so. I hear ur first shipment is still not here???

Post by **SigmaNIN** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 5:15 am

ohhh yeah was also wondering if u guyz could tell me why ppl and the ca18 over the sr20???? i know the basics but to my knowlegde the sr is a better motor and larger displacment so why would u wanna get a lil engine ???????

Post by **Dori Dori** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 5:15 am

Some people believe the CA is the better motor b/c it has an iron block and is supposedly the 'baby brother' to the RB line of motors (skyline motors). They also believe it is capable of revving to higher RPMs.

Post by **bp2ooo** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 5:15 am

I am out of IL. I am gonna tow my car to daunt just because he is probably the best in the area, and gave a good price. Garage Kwai does them, and they are out of IL. There is also a place called ultimate z out of IL that will do them. Garage kwai will give you a fairly decent price, but will take a while to get the motor. Let me know if you are interested and need more info on either shops. Also the reason i am going through daunt is he can do a swap in 2 days, kwai and ultimate take at least 1 week, but probably 2.

Post by **SigmaNIN** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 5:15 am

2 WEEKS?????

Post by **SigmaNIN** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 5:15 am

WOW now thats a long time for a swap(former honda guy).but with suck small displacement what a ca to do?? i mean 1.8 is not all that much. i hear daunt can get the rb20 for a lil more than a sr id rather get that then a ca. thanks for the shops could u give me ur numbers and website if they have em. thanks

Post by **sleepyRPS13** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 5:15 am

what about a fj20et?

Post by **I H8 UR DSM** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 5:15 am

2 weeks is not a long time for an SR swap....anything less gets fishy to whether they actually got the wiring correct, and tuned the car...remember these are not honda swaps, and there is a lot of modification that goes into these cars, usually FMIC's, cutting of bumper supports, fuel pumps, guages, etc etc....quality takes time...I can tell you i left my car in the shop for over 2 months : ) Like ask nils how long his will take im sure its over 2 weeks....

Jesserpi.

Post by **Movingviolation240** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 5:15 am

Dori Dori wrote:Some people believe the CA is the better motor b/c it has an iron block and is supposedly the 'baby brother' to the RB line of motors (skyline motors). They also believe it is capable of revving to higher RPMs.

that's because it is capable of reving higher and the iron block is stronger.

not a baby RB motor though

Post by **Movingviolation240** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 5:15 am

SigmaNIN wrote:WOW now thats a long time for a swap(former honda guy).but with suck small displacement what a ca to do?? i mean 1.8 is not all that much.

uhh, we're talking 200cc's, you steped down 400cc's from the KA. If your so worried about displacement why change?

The extra 1,000rpm redline more than makes up for the 193CC difference.

And at 18psi of boost on a stock everything, you'd be suprised what 1.8L can do.

Paul

Post by **rtsol** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 5:15 am

the FJ20 is a bad mammajamma. its entirely too rare of a motor though. FJs have been out of production for like 20 years now, so even if you can find one it will need to be rebuilt. try to find rod bearings or oil pan gasket for it! i dare ya!

Post by **Movingviolation240** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 5:15 am

just use permatex for the gaksets, and maybe permatex gold for piston rings, it'll work..... trust me.

JMS has FJ20's for sale on their site, and they would also be the people to get a full rebuild kit from. That motor is simply nutter.... HKS makes a 320 cam for it (272's are for women)!

Post by **Dori Dori** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 5:15 am

How high can a ca18det rev on stock internals?

What's the highest output ca18det on stock internals? I'd like to see it (and some links to check it out would be perfect)...also, what's the highest output built ca18det? Links? Info?

I always hear people say the ca is better than a sr b/c of this and that, but never any evidance to back it up. Don't get me wrong, I'm not disputing what you're saying or arguing with you, I just want to know where everyone gets this information from. I just have my doubts that the ca is the better engine...I mean, why would nissan have dropped it if it was so great? The SR's been in production for a very long time now...13 yrs! That says something right there... Anyway, educate me. Thanks:)

Post by **Movingviolation240** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 5:15 am

8,000rpm redline, my old CA went to 9k on just a ballanced bottom end (stock head stock sprints, ect)

And Simon Norris is making over 400rwhp on a stock bottom end CA.

I'm not saying it's better, but it's certanly no worse than the SR.

Also the CA was in production just as long as the redtop SR was. Why did Nissan kill the FJ20? Why did they drop the SR20DET, why is the Silvia no longer in production?

And before you call me biased I have an SR.

Post by **Dori Dori** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 5:15 am

I'm not bias either. I don't have either motor! lol I'm just trying to figure out why people don't think a SR can rev high or that it has a weak block. Sr's reach 400hp, stock everything, they have a 7500rpm redline stock that can be raised with a Tomei rocker arm stopper kit ($100). Or you can just replace the rockers with solid 'lifters' and cams (most people change cams on both motors anyway) and rev to basically wherever you want (maybe do the springs too). The block is strong, being that it's closed...maybe just resleave it...I dunno, I'm just looking for info...thx

Post by **Movingviolation240** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 5:15 am

the SR has rocker arms, and as far as I know it's like a $1,000 job to get rid of them. Even with the RAS I don't think you can go a whole lot higher. The RAS is more of a safety net if you miss a gear or somthing to keep stuff from breaking than somthing to use everyday (at least that's my understanding but then I'm new to the tin can motor society).

I also thought stock SR redline was closer to 7k, but I dunno.

Paul

Post by **I H8 UR DSM** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 5:15 am

redline or rev limiter?

Post by **hokiruu** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 5:15 am

SigmaNIN wrote:Hey all I need some help here. i was wondering where if any shops around my area could do a sr20 swap for me. As u read from the topic im in domestic hell. I live in Grand Rapids, Michigan and this is the land of mustangs and camaros. I think daunt is out in iowa?? but was wondering if anyone knows of a place in my area (michogan, illionois, indiana) that can do the swap right. Here is my car i got a 1989 240sx se with blown headgasket and f'ed auto transmission. Thanks adead of time. If i have to i migth tow it over to u daunt so. I hear ur first shipment is still not here???

Santeca, a pretty good company (seems like it anyway, they are exclusive distributors for some GREAT JDM tuners) are in Indianapolis!!! They have a website, santeca.com. I think you should give them a call. BTW they built one tight s13!!! They also have some rare complete cars right from Japan!

Post by **SigmaNIN** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 5:15 am

thanks for the info guys. u guyz are so nice to the noobies around here. If it does take like 2 weeks or so i might have to make hella trips back and forth(dats going to suk) but for quality work id goto japan to get it done. in not a turbo guy so i didnt know much of this stuff, use to work on ae86 and hondas in hong kong a few years back. lol i use to hate turbos cuz they just dont have the same cornering ability as a allmotor does out of a corner. well thanks sor the info guyz.

Post by **Cyberkreig** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 5:15 am

You also mentioned the RB20. I would never knock on this motor, but I dont think it is worth the extra effort to put it into a 240. Sure they have seen higher boost, but I understand they are harder to wire. (tho i hear they fit about the same) I think if your going with the RB, dont fool around, go RB25, or RB26DETT if you have a$$loads of cash.

Post by **Cyberkreig** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 5:15 am

Dori Dori wrote:I'm not bias either. I don't have either motor! lol I'm just trying to figure out why people don't think a SR can rev high or that it has a weak block. Sr's reach 400hp, stock everything, they have a 7500rpm redline stock that can be raised with a Tomei rocker arm stopper kit ($100). Or you can just replace the rockers with solid 'lifters' and cams (most people change cams on both motors anyway) and rev to basically wherever you want (maybe do the springs too). The block is strong, being that it's closed...maybe just resleave it...I dunno, I'm just looking for info...thx

The shop that did my swap are big honda guys. They tore down an SR to see what makes them such a popular swap. They said that the rods were forged carillo, carilla, carero (i dont remember.. something like that..) They also had a customer run an SR for drag, with a t66 running more than 20lbs on an un-opened motor.

Post by **Dori Dori** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 5:15 am

^ It's Carrillo.

Rocker arm eliminator kits can be had for $700. Not chump change considering you have to also change your cams and it would be a good idea to change valve springs, cam gears, and other parts. Labor would be high on this also and the motor would need more TLC to stay running right... But again, I'm only looking for low, streetable 300's on street tune and high 300's (or low 400's) on track tune. I don't think I should ever run into any problems with the SR at those levels (providing I have proper fuel and tuning), hopefully!

Anyway, so you don't have any good CA links? Oh well...

Post by **Dori Dori** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 5:15 am

I just read the ca18det has hydraulic lifters as well.

Post by **Movingviolation240** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 5:15 am

Dori Dori wrote:I just read the ca18det has hydraulic lifters as well.

what's your point? the CA dosn't have rockerarms

Post by **Dori Dori** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 5:15 am

The lifters are what keeps the SR from revving high. If you rev too high with them, it can cause valve float. The rocker arms aren't the biggest problem IMO.

Post by **SigmaNIN** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 5:15 am

i have concidered the rb25 and the rb26 but i found out it disturbs the 50/50 balance of the car. Im not really looking for 1/4 mile with my car. im more of a autox guy. i use to have a ae86 panda tureno(hehe initial d car, thats why i got it). now i know i need more that 150hp i get from the my ae86.

Post by **I H8 UR DSM** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 5:15 am

build it, turbo it, and spray it : )

Post by **SigmaNIN** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 5:15 am

im giving my corolla to my lil bro to drive so i hope he loves it as much as i have

Post by **burgy240** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 5:15 am

We do the SR swap at Turbofour(T4 ) in three days and that is because they have done it six times already and also work on 3 other SR motors. That includes guages and FMIC!! If you can get it to Cleveland you can have it back by the end of the weekend!!! Good Luck:ylsuper

Post by **SigmaNIN** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 5:15 am

well the website dont tell me how much it would cost and such. the truth is ur web site kinda sucks. so could u tell me more about ur company?

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