Illegal immigration enforcement in America is FAIL

[stebo0728]

Ok so here in ATL we have a HUGE childrens cancer and blood disorder hospital. Once a year the AM torch here has a 2 day radio-thon to get donations to help keep the place afloat. Yesterday and today were those 2 days for this year. Lots of sad stories that tug your heart, make you wanna empty your wallet. The place really does great work for the kiddos. One story that came to light though today is pretty disturbing and representative of a real problem we have here in illegal immigration enforcement, and its lack of common sense. There is a child being treated here currently from Barbados, I forget now what nation, but she and her mother are here on a visa for the treatment. Their visas have expired, and now the mother is being hounded, and about to be deported. The girl is being allowed to stay for her treatment, but the mother is being forced out. Did she fail to get her visa extended? Yes. Does she have more than any of us can imagine do deal with in the heath of her daughter? Yes. Are there other illegals raping our system everyday that might foster a bit more attention and action than this lady who is trying to get her daughter taken care of? YES. So whats the deal? Well I would suggest for one, she is an easier target because for the most part she plays by the rules, and though she over extended her visa, she at least came through the proper channels. I would suggest another part of the problem, how many barbados national do we have here? Not many Im sure, not a very big voting block, unlike other minorities (or perhaps majorites in certain areas) that have large nationals population levels here and constitute a large voting block.

Any thoughts?

Heres a link for the story http://wsbradio.com/localnews/2010/08/c ... ent-a.html

[heliochrome85]

Ok so here in ATL we have a HUGE childrens cancer and blood disorder hospital. Once a year the AM torch here has a 2 day radio-thon to get donations to help keep the place afloat. Yesterday and today were those 2 days for this year. Lots of sad stories that tug your heart, make you wanna empty your wallet. The place really does great work for the kiddos. One story that came to light though today is pretty disturbing and representative of a real problem we have here in illegal immigration enforcement, and its lack of common sense. There is a child being treated here currently from Barbados, I forget now what nation, but she and her mother are here on a visa for the treatment. Their visas have expired, and now the mother is being hounded, and about to be deported. The girl is being allowed to stay for her treatment, but the mother is being forced out. Did she fail to get her visa extended? Yes. Does she have more than any of us can imagine do deal with in the heath of her daughter? Yes. Are there other illegals raping our system everyday that might foster a bit more attention and action than this lady who is trying to get her daughter taken care of? YES. So whats the deal? Well I would suggest for one, she is an easier target because for the most part she plays by the rules, and though she over extended her visa, she at least came through the proper channels. I would suggest another part of the problem, how many barbados national do we have here? Not many Im sure, not a very big voting block, unlike other minorities (or perhaps majorites in certain areas) that have large nationals population levels here and constitute a large voting block.

Any thoughts?

Heres a link for the story http://wsbradio.com/localnews/2010/08/c ... ent-a.html

this would be an example of the Federal Government's selective enforcement of Immigration policy.

if you do full enforcement as has been discussed in several Sb1070 threads here, this woman and her child would have been booted immediately. Immigration policy is one filled with grey area. to fail to recognize this, allows 1070 to be a reasonable solution.

[stebo0728]

No this is more of the governments "oh crap, just noticed shes expired, lets get her outta here" policy

Selective enforcement yes, but if it were selective in the way you suggest, she would not be on the chain for deportation now

[heliochrome85]

i should have written it better. in my head, i said, case for, but on the post, i said example of. wroops.

[stebo0728]

Ahhh gotcha, in that case agreed. I dont think SB1070 has alot to do with this, it seems 2 different scenarios. Plus SB1070 doesnt give local law enforcement the right to deport, just to check the status and pass them along the line if they get a hit. It might provide a bit more hassle for the lady, but that would be better incentive to get her visas straightened out.

[heliochrome85]

Ahhh gotcha, in that case agreed. I dont think SB1070 has alot to do with this, it seems 2 different scenarios. Plus SB1070 doesnt give local law enforcement the right to deport, just to check the status and pass them along the line if they get a hit. It might provide a bit more hassle for the lady, but that would be better incentive to get her visas straightened out.

no my point is that SB1070's backers claim that the Federal Government isnt enforcing policy. In this situation, an exception due to medical circumstances would be appropriate to allow her to stay longer than her visa would allow. Yes, she would be here illegally, but the circumstances warrant it. Selective enforcement has been the policy of the US government for years. It has only recently come underfire as an example of how the government isnt doing what it should to deport ALL illegal immigrants.

[stebo0728]

I understand your point, and good argument, I think what we are seeing with SB1070 is that there has such a gross misenforcement that its caused alot of people to tighten their stance on deportation. This is common, in school you put up with a bit of bullying here and there, but then one dude tips you over the edge and your suddenly a raging storm of chaos.

[IBCoupe]

I bet it's a lot easier to catch someone whose legitimate visa has expired, versus someone who never bothered to get one in the first place.

That might have something to do with it.

Plus, this lady's not working in a giant Purdue chicken factory, so what the heck do we need her around for?

[stebo0728]

I bet it's a lot easier to catch someone whose legitimate visa has expired, versus someone who never bothered to get one in the first place.

That might have something to do with it.

Plus, this lady's not working in a giant Purdue chicken factory, so what the heck do we need her around for?

BLOODY ENGLISH KAANIGIT! I FART IN YOUR GENERAL DIRECTION!!

True that is why I said she was an easier targer.

We dont need her, and when shes done gettin her daughter well, she wont need us either.

[AZhitman]

I bet it's a lot easier to catch someone whose legitimate visa has expired, versus someone who never bothered to get one in the first place.

Plus, this lady's not working in a giant Purdue chicken factory, so what the heck do we need her around for?

I was all set to drop bombs on you for your snarky, non-contributory snipe.

Then Stebo took care of it much more eloquently (and subtly) than I could have.

[audtatious]

I bet it's a lot easier to catch someone whose legitimate visa has expired, versus someone who never bothered to get one in the first place.

At least there is a record. Not allowing employees to hire people without valid paperwork and not allowing these same people access to our services would solve a great deal of the problem too. Of course, the claim will be "racism" when in fact it would be just like me purchasing alcohol here in my state as everyone is forced to show a proper ID.

Oh well, fat chance of that actually happening anyway.

[IBCoupe]

I think the cries of racism would actually be diminished if you went after employers (I think that's what you meant to write instead of "employees") like that.

[stebo0728]

I bet it's a lot easier to catch someone whose legitimate visa has expired, versus someone who never bothered to get one in the first place.

At least there is a record. Not allowing employees to hire people without valid paperwork and not allowing these same people access to our services would solve a great deal of the problem too. Of course, the claim will be "racism" when in fact it would be just like me purchasing alcohol here in my state as everyone is forced to show a proper ID.

Oh well, fat chance of that actually happening anyway.

Im with you 100% on tax payer funded services, however, private sector services or charitable services that are NOT on our ledger are fair game to anyone whom the private industry or charity deems worthy of recieving them. In this case the people involved were not mooching off the tax payers.

[audtatious]

I think the cries of racism would actually be diminished if you went after employers (I think that's what you meant to write instead of "employees") like that.

Yep, employers.

[audtatious]

Im with you 100% on tax payer funded services, however, private sector services or charitable services that are NOT on our ledger are fair game to anyone whom the private industry or charity deems worthy of recieving them. In this case the people involved were not mooching off the tax payers.

A charity can do whatever they want with their donations as long as it's legal. I have no issues with that.