If you had a 511hp Nissan Sileighty, What would u trade it for.

[j-z]

yeah.... i dont think this "kid" will be coming back here to defend his never ending trail of bull shlt. and yes, i said "kid". if he does, then that will only show how much of a tard this "kid" really is.

it seems like the whole point of his original post was just to show off a car that he BOUGHT, and tried to pull it off as if he built it.

oh yeah... LMAO i totally forgot about the "how do i drain my catch can" RB swap my a$$hole.

read this "kid", and stop posting because youre only digging your self in a bigger whole.

[Ghast]

the yen isnt more then the dollar, its a fraction of a penny. even a stock jdm s13 goes for more then a usdm s13.

I know nothing about exchange rate and or tax conversion on any international shizz.

But ya, i get where u are coming from.

Well okdokie!

[SullivanRacing06]

yup im the buyer.. Yea i decided ima keep it:)..Been turning too many heads and beating too many people

How can you empty your catch can?

how do you empty a catch can? lol, drain it out??????

[Nali]

(an official Sileighty).

What makes one more official than the other.Must it be based on the 180sx to be a sileighty? Then what do the Euro people call their sileighties. Silhundreds?

Sileighty is a body style, in which the silvia front end is on the the S13 hatchback.

Their is no official silanything except for the sil-via.Just because a company decided to jump on the tuner bandwagon and do what the kids on the street were already doing doesnt make it official.

My Silvia frontend 240sx i call a sil80 whenever i give a description of its body style.

There are no official Sil80s, and lets not act like the Kidsheart were the first people to do the mod.

But i digress, OP trade your car to someone who will know how to take care of it. Get the supra or whatever car you say you can trade it for and destroy that, someone save this S13.

[pj]

There are no official Sil80s.

didnt nissan release a limited run of sil80 bodied s chassis?that would be a "official" sil80 as it was built by the manufacturer as such.

but i do agree that the hey dont call it that its not real blah blah...gets old and most people just dont care. i for instance dont care what people call theyre cars, if it looks like its supposed to look, then cool.

[Nali]

didnt nissan release a limited run of sil80 bodied s chassis?that would be a "official" sil80 as it was built by the manufacturer as such.

Nope, nissan never officially released a car called Sil80. Kidsheart did the mod and sold their cars as officials. But Sil80s were on the street before kidsheart did it. So they cant be given the right to call theirs official when the mod was already there.

Imagine if i started a company called "Snorlax" And i bought a bunch of pignoses, and put sleepy-eye mod boxes in all of them, and set them as so the lights were permanently sleepy.Could i now say that only cars sold by Snorlax have the right to be called officially sleepy?

NO, so why are Kidsheart sil80s more official than others??

[j-z]

i found this with a quick google search, and ive remember reading something in a mag i think a LONG time ago about real sileightys.... anyways, dont know how true this is, but this is what i found.

Back when Nissan was making lots of sports cars, namely the Silvia and the 180SX, many young 180SX drivers were out in the mountain paths (YES, mountain racing is quite true) or wherever, trying to drift. Results were usually unsuccessful, and many drivers ended their nights with smashed and damaged front ends. So you've just went broke buying your 180SX, how can you afford to pay for repairs??

Simple. Since the front end parts of Silvias were less expensive than that of the 180SX, and just happens to simply bolt on without many complicated steps, many 180SX drivers found themselves fixing their cars, replacing damaged front ends with ones that of a Silvia.

And just like that, a trend was born. 180SX drivers who didn't have busted-up fronts were replacing their front ends with Silvias. I wouldn't be surprised if some people intentionally drifted horribly to dent their front ends, just so they could have an excuse to hop on the trend. Before you knew it heavily modified street racing 180SXs with Silvia front ends were cruising around the streets of Japan.

It wasn't too long before Nissan realized what was going on around them, and they realized that: they weren't making any money from all of this! So, plans began to move... it wouldn't be good for Nissan's reputation to have built a car which was inspired by illegal street racing, so they kept production of the Sileighty very low key. And if I'm not mistaken, anywhere from 400-4,000 manufactured Sileighties were every made.

What's the difference between a manufacturer made Sileighty and a homemade Sil-Eighty? Well, first and obviously, the badge on the rear, which normally says "180SX" on a 180SX reads "Sileighty" on the factory manufacturer's car. And in order to entice people to buy the Sileighty, Nissan beefed up the car slightly, to give people notice. Factory manufactured Sileighties have an estimated 24.2 MORE hp, and 3.6 kms of torque. Now you've got a car that's ready to hit the mountains right out of the factory, without any outside tuning or modifications.

Nissan no longer manufactures Sileighties anymore, obviously. An estimated 5,000 180SXs are still built every year. The original manufactured Sileighties, however are hot commodities at car auctions in Japan, for example, one white Sileighty, going for a whopping 2.4 million yen, roughly the same price as the R32 Nissan Skyline GT-R (a car that can kick any of our asses anyday) brand new!

[Ghast]

What makes one more official than the other.Must it be based on the 180sx to be a sileighty? Then what do the Euro people call their sileighties. Silhundreds?

Sileighty is a body style, in which the silvia front end is on the the S13 hatchback.

Their is no official silanything except for the sil-via.Just because a company decided to jump on the tuner bandwagon and do what the kids on the street were already doing doesnt make it official.

My Silvia frontend 240sx i call a sil80 whenever i give a description of its body style.

There are no official Sil80s, and lets not act like the Kidsheart were the first people to do the mod.

But i digress, OP trade your car to someone who will know how to take care of it. Get the supra or whatever car you say you can trade it for and destroy that, someone save this S13.

Their are 2 possibly 3 perspectives being projected in this thread, from my understanding.

1a)Sir Names, Aka's, Alias's.

2)Official , Law, patent pending, and Copyrighted.

1b)Personal Opinion and Personal Value.

All of which are VERY different.


Modified by Ghast at 3:13 PM 4/20/2009

[Ghast]

didnt nissan release a limited run of sil80 bodied s chassis?that would be a "official" sil80 as it was built by the manufacturer as such.

but i do agree that the hey dont call it that its not real blah blah...gets old and most people just dont care. i for instance dont care what people call theyre cars, if it looks like its supposed to look, then cool.

Agreed, Agreed.

I THOUGHT nissan did but i have put forth minimal effort to actually find out.

Seeing as how they have toy cars NAMED Sil-Eighty's registered under the Nissan Motors.

"Official NISSAN Product, Nissan Skyline GT-R R34, Silvia, Sil-Eighty and associated symbols, emblems and designs are trademarks of Nissan Motor Co,. Ltd. and used under license to Jada Toys, Inc."

Seeing that makes me think there WERE in fact 180's sold as "Nissan Sil-Eightys"

From my understanding, Sir Names are Sir names ONLY until someone Copyrights, Trademarks or Register's it as a patent. This can be done with Names, Phrases and Inanimate Objects CREATED by the owner unless licensed out. This is solely my personal understanding though.

I got no solid proof about any of this though.

Keep the peace.

One Love,

Ghasty

[heartofaskyline]

i found this with a quick google search, and ive remember reading something in a mag i think a LONG time ago about real sileightys.... anyways, dont know how true this is, but this is what i found.

i find this hard to believe, how come none of these "sileightys" center sections ever pop up.

[Nali]

Seeing that makes me think there WERE in fact 180's sold as "Nissan Sil-Eightys"

This i can confirm, and if any other NICO members in Japan are out there they can double check this for me. last time i looked this up was late 2001.

There are no countries, including japan which allow you to register a car as a Sileighty....which means it was never "official". Otherwise it could be registered as such NO?Even kidsheart sil80s were registered as Hatchbacks.

Nissan manufactured sil80s are nothing but a fable.

Check, any DMV or whatever they call them in said country and look for the Nissan Sil80......wont be there. All so called Sil80s have Hatchback VINS........Logically they must be Hatchbacks with Silvia frontends.

Isnt there a thread about this topic?

[AZ89two4Tsx]

Sil80s/Sil40s are UGLY!!!!!

[jgreen956]

I am keeping this car With the repaint I did (2009 gtr paint gray effect,paint code KAE) I'm keeping this beast! Anybody intrested in buying a rb26dett with transmission. Guy never came to try to swap it. I'll sell it for 2700 flat. Pick up only. Not shipping.

[jgreen956]

also sorry for this topic ever being made . Apparently my brother that really hates this car and sais I'll probably kill my self in it made me a nicoclub membership thing and made this topic. I have never wanted to trade car. The only real forum I made on this nicoclub was "ideling problem with sr20" and "what color should I paint the sileighty". I would never trade or sell this car. I barely bought it a month ago, why would I sell it? Sorry about this. I am a good friend of the ex owner of this car. Dudes real cool! So no people I will not trade this car ever. I love it too much. I've spent too much on interior and repaint cost a left nut. No wonder yall were saying I sound like a kid. I'm 19 years old. Brothers 17. I do in deed have a rb26dett for sell. Funny I was reading all my brother put :S. Stupid!! I sincerely aploigize to all who posted on this topic.

Sincerely Jose

[Ghast]

This i can confirm, and if any other NICO members in Japan are out there they can double check this for me. last time i looked this up was late 2001.

There are no countries, including japan which allow you to register a car as a Sileighty....which means it was never "official". Otherwise it could be registered as such NO?Even kidsheart sil80s were registered as Hatchbacks.

Nissan manufactured sil80s are nothing but a fable.

Check, any DMV or whatever they call them in said country and look for the Nissan Sil80......wont be there. All so called Sil80s have Hatchback VINS........Logically they must be Hatchbacks with Silvia frontends.

Isnt there a thread about this topic?

All i am saying is, why would nissan own the trademark rights to the word "Sil-Eighty" And ALL "Symbols, Emblems and designs" if it was never anything official?

I do not think Gran Turismo Uses any cars they can not get a license for. They have the SILEIGHTY listed as its own car.

[j-z]

All i am saying is, why would nissan own the trademark rights to the word "Sil-Eighty" And ALL "Symbols, Emblems and designs" if it was never anything official?

I do not think Gran Turismo Uses any cars they can not get a license for. They have the SILEIGHTY listed as its own car.

^^^ very true ghast....

[Nali]

All i am saying is, why would nissan own the trademark rights to the word "Sil-Eighty" And ALL "Symbols, Emblems and designs" if it was never anything official?

I do not think Gran Turismo Uses any cars they can not get a license for. They have the SILEIGHTY listed as its own car.

Well for one the sileighty is 2 nissan designs put together.Possible reason for nissan copyrighting the name.The example you gave, for use in other media such as videogames.

But the fact that the VIN still marks the car as a 180sx means its still a 180sx, not an official SIL80

The VINs of Sil80s will tell you the car is a 180sx. Thats all that matters

I cant believe im still debating this? Find any country that will allow you to register a 180SX as a SIL80. They wont allow it. Its still a 180SX just with cosmetic changes, why completely rebadge it. Isnt registration what makes a car official? i.e Cobra kit cars cant be registered as AC Cobras no matter how to spec they are.

Ill look into the whole Nissan owning the rights to Sil80, i dont know for sure but its fairly logical that they would want to protect the name as it is linked to the nissan brand

[xX RB Xx]

this argument is pointless..

we all know what it is. so why argue the point if its trademarked/ official/ unofficial..

its just like the navy seals..

they copyright the name but never do they claim they really exist.

[Ghast]

Well for one the sileighty is 2 nissan designs put together.Possible reason for nissan copyrighting the name.The example you gave, for use in other media such as videogames.

But the fact that the VIN still marks the car as a 180sx means its still a 180sx, not an official SIL80

The VINs of Sil80s will tell you the car is a 180sx. Thats all that matters

I cant believe im still debating this? Find any country that will allow you to register a 180SX as a SIL80. They wont allow it. Its still a 180SX just with cosmetic changes, why completely rebadge it. Isnt registration what makes a car official? i.e Cobra kit cars cant be registered as AC Cobras no matter how to spec they are.

Ill look into the whole Nissan owning the rights to Sil80, i dont know for sure but its fairly logical that they would want to protect the name as it is linked to the nissan brand

I can believe you are still debating it you know why>? because you are perfectly human and it is very healthy, we were created as creatures of habit remember? As long as you remember i am NOT your enemy, just a fellow Niconaught having a healthy debate with another niconaught.

Now let me share with you what i found. (from Nico, Zilvia, And other debated though out the web that i had time to read before my next class)

This image was sourced from someone who was trying to replicate a "Real" Sileighty.I learned that the center garnish and the window vinyl that both read "Sileighty" were created by a separate third party (Third party Unknown) and produced only for Official Sil-Eightys made by "kids heart".

Mag clipping from an AUS magazine. Though their facts about the date produced are in accordance to something i have yet to also figure out. An official date for sale i have for the completed 500 is 1998.

This is the sign for Kids Heart in Japan.The Sileighty sign is their because THEY created the 500 "Official" marketable new Sileightys.

You were correct in saying all registered sileightys are on paper as 180sx's by vin number, but they are considered silvia by model.

Nissan SILEIGHTY: NISSAN Silvia[PS13]+NISSAN 180sx[RPS13]"Nissan" and the Names, Logos, And Designs of the "Nissan" products are Trademarks and/or Intellectual property rights of NISSAN MOTOR CO., LTD.

"Unknown to the public until the release date, these end user modifications inspired a Japanese auto shop, Kids Heart to produce a small number of so called "official" or "real" Nissan Sileighties. It is on record that 500 cars were made by this shop, and were only sold in 1998, possibly through Nissan dealerships.[1] Essentially the 180SX Type-X (Kouki) tuned for drifting, the cars are distinguished from their home-built brethren by the distinctive "Sileighty" name on the rear dressplate. The Sileighty includes drift-oriented modifications such as a new ECU, a stiffer suspension system, an improved limited slip differential, and an increase in turbocharger boost from 7 psi to about 13 psi, resulting in approximately 230 horsepower, versus 205 from the standard 180SX's SR20DET."

They had to be sold as USED cars though. Seeing as how nissan OWNED it but didnt own "it". It is hard to explain. But the Official's are Ultimately Unofficial.

What i gather from the Sileighty is it is a Component within a component. Simply put "Official Within Unofficial" If that makes sense.

Your thoughts please.

[Ghast]

this argument is pointless..

we all know what it is. so why argue the point if its trademarked/ official/ unofficial..

its just like the navy seals..

they copyright the name but never do they claim they really exist.

We are not arguing, no swings from my end and if he is swinging it does not hurt haha so i see no argument.

I do see a civilized debate between two community members though, when in comparison to 75% of the other debates in 240sx GEN.

One Love,

Ghasty

We know they exist, they shoot pirated with amazing head shots!

[ZOMG.SR20]

this thread is full of OP trying to be someone he's not and that is a REAL 240 owner he's just some pansy that bought someone else work and doesn't even know how to change the oil

[Xdisaster240sX]

this thread is full of OP trying to be someone he's not and that is a REAL 240 owner he's just some pansy that bought someone else work and doesn't even know how to change the oil

No offense, But didnt you buy project Ebay??

[jgreen956]

Good point "xdisaster240sx" . I don't change my oil.."zomg.sr20's" mom changes my oil

[Nali]

They had to be sold as USED cars though. Seeing as how nissan OWNED it but didnt own "it". It is hard to explain. But the Official's are Ultimately Unofficial.

Well this almost seems like you have changed sides and are arguing for me?If a car is official shouldnt i be able to buy it brand new?If they are only sold as second hand, i doubt we can call said car official.Moreover, nissan sells the car to kidsheart, who then modify it, and then display it in a nissan showrooom. Unofficial to teeth

So far this has been a very mature debate, very rare on NICO.I love it.

Im not sure if ive got anymore points left, ive finished my ammo as of right now.Im still trying to figure out if the JPO has online search.I know the USPTO has online search, and the Sileighty isnt there, but im not surprised about that, the 180sx isnt either.

USTPO: United State Trademarks n Patents OfficeJPO: Japan Patent Office

Fun debate, hopefully next time i will one hit KO you

[Ghast]

Well this almost seems like you have changed sides and are arguing for me?If a car is official shouldnt i be able to buy it brand new?If they are only sold as second hand, i doubt we can call said car official.Moreover, nissan sells the car to kidsheart, who then modify it, and then display it in a nissan showrooom. Unofficial to teeth

So far this has been a very mature debate, very rare on NICO.I love it.

Im not sure if ive got anymore points left, ive finished my ammo as of right now.Im still trying to figure out if the JPO has online search.I know the USPTO has online search, and the Sileighty isnt there, but im not surprised about that, the 180sx isnt either.

USTPO: United State Trademarks n Patents OfficeJPO: Japan Patent Office

Fun debate, hopefully next time i will one hit KO you

Well technically you should be able to, I would think so but from how it seems i think you would buy the car as used but at a regular price. You know what i mean?

It all seems very confusing but i think i have come to the conclusion of this.

Nissan see's people (mainly the hip young drifter kids) driving around with their cars all mix matched and what not, decides to get to the bottom of it and they start searching. Finds "kids heart" and see's what they are up to. Then decides "hey we have a bunch of money, and you gotta spend money to make money sooooo" "lets make a bunch of 180sx's to their spec and then let kids heart do their thing with them and help us market them. In return we let them be the official "Sileighty Factory" and share a good amount of profit with them.

Because to make 500 Sileightys in one year. If we just priced them at say about 30 Grand each MAX which i am sure they were maybe 5 grand shy of that and cost was no where near that to make. 30K x 500= $15,000,000 USD JUST A NUMBER TO THROW OUT THERE. If we are in that price range Or even 5 Grand shy that is 12,500,000 USD, and i do not think Kids heart has that type of money, NOW yes, THEN no...

So i think there was some type of partnership. Otherwise why would they wear a NISMO banner and a SILEIGHTY banner in front of their shop you know? So i dunno, If kids heart bought them and had to re-sell them then they would be used, but if nissan supplied them and they had some sort of partnership then BAM sell it as new.

Also their are rumors of a Nissan "Sil-Eighty" Buyers brochure but i have yet to find an image of one.

That is all for now...

One Love,

Ghasty

[ZOMG.SR20]

No offense, But didnt you buy project Ebay??

yes BUT none of the parts on that car is from the original owner the only thing thats left are the rims

Good point "xdisaster240sx" . I don't change my oil.."zomg.sr20's" mom changes my oil

that wasn't called for thus making more of a point that you an immature "kid" this is the perfect example of why cops pull everyone over in the U18 bracket

[jgreen956]

oh but that makes the right for you to call me a pansy. Oh yea. I aint gonna argue with ya

[ZOMG.SR20]

your not worth my time

your a scammer and that's all you'll ever be


Modified by ZOMG.SR20 at 10:41 PM 4/21/2009

[jgreen956]

Hey man didnt you read my post. You already know it wasent me and you was mad doging me for no reason.

[DJButton]

This thread is stupid, I AM sick of how horrible 240 gen is, seriously the most idiotic 240 board on the web most of the time thanks to half of our members. People need to have some respect, NICO is great community when everyone contributes and sparks interesting conversation etc. This place was a blast when I joined a few years ago, now I go in every forum but 240 general.

Clean up your acts.