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http://www.autoblog.com/2013/06/14/inco ... successor/
Excerpt from Autoblog wrote:A new Automotive News report claims that incoming Toyota chairman Takeshi Uchiyamada wants a vehicle "comparable" to the Supra. Clearly there are a lot of parties that want a new Supra to happen – to say nothing of enthusiasts – but Uchiyamada might be just the guy to get it done.
http://insideevs.com/nissan-ceo-carlos- ... evs-video/
Carlos Ghosn wrote: If people remember me, it will be as the man who turned around Nissan, a company undoubtedly going into bankruptcy in 1999, and hopefully as the main pioneer in mass market zero emission cars.
While this may be looked upon as reaching a bit, I think this clearly outlines the direction each company will be taking over the next 5-10 years. Dare I say that Toyota's offerings could come close to Nissan's offerings of the 90s - the offerings that created its large pool of enthusiasts and likely spawned this very website. What do you think?


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Carlos Ghosn was brought on board to turn the company around, to modernize it. He did that. Job well done. He is not the guy to lead a successful company to long term stability. There was every chance that the bold moves Ghosn made would have failed, but they didn't. He brought Nissan around by modernizing them, and making them into his new vision. Now, he's holding Nissan back by trying to keep his vision as it passes out of date. Time for a new CEO.

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Where do I send my resume?

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Too late, I've already accepted their offer. . .

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I can imagine a slightly larger frs with a turbocharged v6 from the factory.
I don't know why But I can totally see it. probably around 3200 lbs, 4--hp, 3--tq, rwd and around a 30-50k price tag.
That's a really large margin but I doubt they're going to go any higher than 50k on a new supra, and at the same time I doubt they're going lower (or near 30k) because that seriously endangers their FRS/FT86
Either way the new supra is more than likely going to sit comfortably between the FRS, and the LFA

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TurboSauce wrote:I can imagine a slightly larger frs with a turbocharged v6 from the factory.
I don't know why But I can totally see it. probably around 3200 lbs, 4--hp, 3--tq, rwd and around a 30-50k price tag.
For $50k it had better make a HELL of a lot more than 300-something ft-lb.

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The CVT wouldn't be able to handle it :chuckle:

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I think I'm a closet Honda fan. Honda and Toyota are some of the few companies that still give a rats a** about performance cars.

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krash wrote:Honda and Toyota are some of the few companies that still give a rats a** about performance cars.
I don't know that that's remotely true. Toyota has the FRS, which they codeveloped with Subaru. And Honda's got jack. No better off than Nissan aside from a lack of obsession with CVT.

And Honda's obsessed with FWD. Rather than building real cars, they glue toothpick-thin axles under the rear end of overweight front-drivers, slap on rear-wheel steering, and call it "super handling". And the Ethereal NSX is just as bad. Instead of making a supercar, they're making an overteched hybrid.
Meanwhile, Toyota's cars are so contented that they couldn't be further behind the curve. If Toyota had developed the FRS on their own, it'd be a front-drive four seat convertible with stick-on aero for the "S" model (gee, that sounds awfully familiar...). As for the supposed Supra resurrection...we've been hearing about it for over a decade. So I will believe it when it happens. And I'll be excited if it's anything APPROACHING a real sports car. I'm sure as Hell not excited about some executive talking about things that they want to maybe see happen. Talk is cheap. I've haven't seen any "do" out of Toyota in decades. Not only are modern Toyotas bland and uninspiring, they also feel tremendously cheap. Every Camry I've been in since the fourth gen has genuinely SHOCKED me with its feeling of overwhelming cheapassedness.

Even in terms of motorsports presence, these two have nothing over Nissan.
Nissan: F1 (via Infiniti/Renault), Formula Renault (which began as World Series by Nissan and continues to be VQ-powered), and V8 Supercars.
Honda: Indycar
Toyota: Nascar

Nissan wins.

I'd say if I were to pick a list of manufacturers who care about performance cars, Honda and Toyota would be EVEN LOWER than Nissan.

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Since I'm throwing in Infiniti, I'd better include Lexus. When was the last time anyone lusted after an IS-F over an M3 or a CTS-V?
Acura can jump off a cliff.

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Honda has a huge motorsports presence. From grassroots to pro stuff. They just got back into F1, providing engines for Mclaren. They support and sponsor a lot of things, the SAE Baja competition for example. Honda performance development does a lot of awesome stuff as well, they have the racing line program which is pretty sick. And they have the NASA HPD challenge which is pretty cool.

Honestly I don't know why I mentioned Toyota though :rotfl

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Honda and Mazda definitely have the more "obtainable" motorsports programs.

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In all honesty though, Honda and Nissan's motorsports programs aren't really "trickling down" the way I'd like. Mazda however does make some fun cars.

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Nissan wants to be chevy,a flagship,more suv's and trucks than any one wants or needs,and a lot of fleet ready rento mobles

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jbracy7 wrote:Nissan wants to be chevy,a flagship,more suv's and trucks than any one wants or needs,and a lot of fleet ready rento mobles
This. I can tell I'm getting old because I'm starting to buy pants like Jesda's and the Teana appeals to me, but frankly that's it. I still squeal like a little girl when I see a BRZ.

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I'm certainly the minority here because I am excited about what the US has done with cars lately; Mustang GT and BOSS, Focus ST, Camaro SS, Z28, ZL1, C6-z06, C7!, CTS-V, Dart SRT4, Challenger SRT8, Hell, even the Cherokee SRT8! IMO, Japan as a whole is lagging behind the US.

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IBCoupe wrote:
jbracy7 wrote:Nissan wants to be chevy,a flagship,more suv's and trucks than any one wants or needs,and a lot of fleet ready rento mobles
This. I can tell I'm getting old because I'm starting to buy pants like Jesda's and the Teana appeals to me, but frankly that's it. I still squeal like a little girl when I see a BRZ.
THEY BETTER NOT BE PLEATED

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Looneybomber wrote:I'm certainly the minority here because I am excited about what the US has done with cars lately; Mustang GT and BOSS, Focus ST, Camaro SS, Z28, ZL1, C6-z06, C7!, CTS-V, Dart SRT4, Challenger SRT8, Hell, even the Cherokee SRT8! IMO, Japan as a whole is lagging behind the US.
I think I'm with you there man. I was thinking about it the other day, there are, at the very least, three fun cars readily available from the US, Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger. All three can be loaded from docile and affordable to rowdy and pricey.

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Looneybomber wrote:I'm certainly the minority here because I am excited about what the US has done with cars lately; Mustang GT and BOSS, Focus ST, Camaro SS, Z28, ZL1, C6-z06, C7!, CTS-V, Dart SRT4, Challenger SRT8, Hell, even the Cherokee SRT8! IMO, Japan as a whole is lagging behind the US.
krash wrote: I think I'm with you there man. I was thinking about it the other day, there are, at the very least, three fun cars readily available from the US, Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger. All three can be loaded from docile and affordable to rowdy and pricey.
Include me is this rag tag bunch.


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