I want a luxury private jet with 2 armed escort planes. And you pay for it.

[dusred]

Why does Nancy Peloci get to have a private jet paid for by us and 2 armed jets as escorts? And as she fly's around the globe in this jet she b****es about the rich CEO's on Wall Street who have their personal jets and live in pomp luxury while the poor have to walk around without shoes on and go to bed hungry.

This is why I resent paying my taxes.

[themadscientist]

Hipocracy is fun ain't it?

[heliochrome85]

Why does Nancy Peloci get to have a private jet paid for by us and 2 armed jets as escorts? And as she fly's around the globe in this jet she b****es about the rich CEO's on Wall Street who have their personal jets and live in pomp luxury while the poor have to walk around without shoes on and go to bed hungry.

This is why I resent paying my taxes.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/pelosi/jet.asp

research and information, it is your friend.

also, i love how suddenly her expenses are of great concern. where was the concern for the poor the last 8 years? did you guys all forget we had poor? or were you all too busy trying to buy bigger mcmansions?

[AZhitman]

What's wrong with wanting to make more money?

What's wrong with not giving a damn about people who have less?

I'm not saying that's how I definitively feel, but if I did, what's the problem?

I'm bloody sick of idiots who try to make people feel guilty who have built a better mousetrap or have been wise stewards of their money.

Pelosi is an idiot. That's MY money she's spending.

If she wasn't such an assclown, she wouldn't NEED armed escorts.

[heliochrome85]

remember, this is something that speakers of the house have had since 9/11. it isnt just pelosi. The jet and the guards are part of her security detail. you know, in case of another 9/11. i have heard worse reasons for bigger expenses. un knot your panties GOP. if you can.

[Cold_Zero]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/pelosi/jet.asp

research and information, it is your friend.

This one to me seems like a no brainer. Even Air Force One doesnt roll with fighter escorts. The only time I am aware that they rolled with a fighter escort was on 9-11, for obvious reasons. Incidentally, when the Air Force One linked up with the fighters and went to fly back to Andrews AFB, the fighters called to the pilot of AF One and asked him to slow down. The fighter cover was burning all of its fuel trying to catch up with Air Force One.

Being 3rd in the line of succession, I think its probably prudent that the US Speaker of the House have their own jet operated by the USAF. Even the Vice President is shuttled around by the USAF. Even Denis Hastert had his own aircraft to shuttle him around. I remember the outrage in 2007, when the Speaker of the House was upgraded to a nicer aircraft. This issue is like 2 years old.

[HashiriyaS14]

What's wrong with wanting to make more money?

What's wrong with not giving a damn about people who have less?

I'm not saying that's how I definitively feel, but if I did, what's the problem?

I'm bloody sick of idiots who try to make people feel guilty who have built a better mousetrap or have been wise stewards of their money.

I couldn't agree more with all of this. Some on the left have an admittedly nasty habit of shaming the successful. I wish they'd cut that out.

Pelosi is an idiot. That's MY money she's spending.

If she wasn't such an assclown, she wouldn't NEED armed escorts.

I'm 100% certain that the decision to use armed fighter escorts is NOT up to Nancy Pelosi. I think that if the USAF decides to deploy them, they deploy them. She is effectively under USAF guard while aloft, escorted or no, she flies in USAF aircraft. I'm supremely confident that she can't just "ask" for F16's alongside just so she feels warm and fuzzy about the trip.

Regarding the decision to use a private Federally-owned jet at all, this decision is also NOT up to Pelosi. Hastert got a jet also.

In regards to her asking for a BIGGER jet, it would appear from that article that she didn't (just asked for nonstop capability), but I'm not going to say that I necessarily believe either side. She has to have a private USAF jet for security reasons and you and I MUST pay taxes to fund that just like we pay for Air Force One.

Hastert flew back and forth to Illinois, which obviously a C20 can do nonstop. I'm not sure what security considerations are involved in the refueling process, but if they were not legitimate, I cannot IMAGINE that the USAF would agree to give Pelosi a larger aircraft to address them.

She IS a toolbox, I'm not great fan of hers, but this is just silly nitpicking nonsense BS. If you're going to rip on Pelosi, rip on her because she is a bastion of the Old Left in the New Era, or because she's a big spender, or whatever. Don't rip on her because of the USAF jet she gets. You guys can do better than this.

[dusred]

Hash, I'm not ripping on her JUST because she has a big private jet she fly's around on but I'm ripping on her because of her hypocrisy in ripping the CEO's for something that she's doing; not to mention she's not using her own money but OUR money, Hash.

Don't get me wrong, I know that when you have a job like hers you need to be able to move around fast and get to places but it seems like since we're paying for it she could limit it to just the essentials. Don't you think?

As for the CEO's they can to whatever they want to since they are spending their own money. I could give a shxt less about them.

[WDRacing]

did you guys all forget we had poor? or were you all too busy trying to buy bigger mcmansions?

Being against people that are successful because they made the correct choices in life is stupid. The entire line of thought is stupid...period. These same successful people are already being taxed more now. So enough with the idiocy already. People with money and success has NOTHING to do with oure Gov wasting more and more money. Nice deflection though...good to see you're still on par in that area. Maybe Bush can still be blamed for the incessant wasteful spending going on? Stimulas aside...WTF is going on with the budget.

Don't rip on her because of the USAF jet she gets. You guys can do better than this.

I just wish that our Gov could trim the unnecessary spending already. Where are the oversight people? Why are we hemorrhaging more and more money that we don't have. My kids kids will be paying off this admins spending. Just because we can authorize budgets doesn't mean we have money to spend on them. Didn't Obama say he was going to CUT wasteful spending? I think it's time to put up or shut up on that account.

WD

[heliochrome85]

Being against people that are successful because they made the correct choices in life is stupid. The entire line of thought is stupid...period. These same successful people are already being taxed more now. So enough with the idiocy already. People with money and success has NOTHING to do with oure Gov wasting more and more money. Nice deflection though...good to see you're still on par in that area. Maybe Bush can still be blamed for the incessant wasteful spending going on? Stimulas aside...WTF is going on with the budget.

My point is that, its funny how now we are criticizing the spending and looking at how many poor people we have. During the fatter days of the Bush administration, the only thing people cared about, was how big of a house they could get. It didnt matter if the number of uninsured skyrocketed. Now that Obama is there, he is expected to magically, overnight change the very hedonistic nature of our country. Get real. He campaigned on change, but if there is one thing that is known about Washington, its that change doesnt come quickly. I applaud the sentiment, even if we haven't seen the sweeping results that the RIGHT demands for validation of his campaign.

I just wish that our Gov could trim the unnecessary spending already. Where are the oversight people? Why are we hemorrhaging more and more money that we don't have. My kids kids will be paying off this admins spending. Just because we can authorize budgets doesn't mean we have money to spend on them. Didn't Obama say he was going to CUT wasteful spending? I think it's time to put up or shut up on that account.

WD

Where are the oversight people? Are you joking? No seriously. Are you?

I find it insulting that you demand oversight over Obama, when for 8 years, you couldnt care less about the Bush administration. Pathetic really. I honestly have no words. You might see things differently, but from my side, there are very fewer scenarios that I can imagine that would have made the last eight years worse. I am so sick of the GOP's double standard. We get it, they are the party of relgion, they are the party of morality, they are the party of consciencus spending, they are the party of patriotism, and they are the party of constitutionality. I am so sick and tired of being demonised in my own country by a party of people who have, in almost every statement, made hypocrits of themselves.

I can not wait to see the final death of the GOP. Whenever that day comes, and it is coming, it will be the dawn of a new era of american politics. Until then, I will not make any excuses for my beliefs.

[heliochrome85]

Hash, I'm not ripping on her JUST because she has a big private jet she fly's around on but I'm ripping on her because of her hypocrisy in ripping the CEO's for something that she's doing; not to mention she's not using her own money but OUR money, Hash.

so is the president a hypocrit? I guess he should just drive himself in a ford focus to whatever he is going to. cause we are in a recession, and cuts have to be made. GIVE ME A BREAK. there are necessary costs, and this is one of them. whether you like it or not.

[WDRacing]

First off...relax.

I've always been against spending ludicrous amounts of money. It's my God given right to criticize anyone I want. Just cause Obama is your savior doesn't make him any less applicable to scrutiny.

Where in my posts have I said, before Obama we had awesome moderation on spending. Go find something, I'll wait. Or are you just generalizing that I'm pro Bush or a right wing nutter because I'm voicing a negative opinion of "The One". I am NOT a Republican...I'm against the war, I'm against spending, for pro choice, pro gun...I could go on. I'm Independent...so I can and will voice my opinions about anyone in office anytime I want to.

Was I joking about oversight? Are you so simple in your partisanship that you label everyone as right and wrong, left and right? I have been pro oversight since I could vote. We waste money...it's the one thing we have always done well. Because someone else before you does a down right awful job does that mean you can do just slightly better and be doing a good job? Is Obama entitled to do anything he wants because Bush did to? When do the excuses stop? Was like that when I got here...etc.

Get off your high horse Helio.

Debate the topic and stop deflecting. We waste money...period. So you're either pro spending or not. Now YOU'RE the one that has to side. This has nothing to do with the past. It's simple...we're wasting money. So...for or against smaht guy.

[dusred]

so is the president a hypocrit? I guess he should just drive himself in a ford focus to whatever he is going to. cause we are in a recession, and cuts have to be made. GIVE ME A BREAK. there are necessary costs, and this is one of them. whether you like it or not.

We're talking about Nazi Pelozi, not the President, but yeah, if he drove around a Ford Focus he would get a lot more respect from the people.

Helio,

What Bush did does not justify Obama in what he is doing. Every time anyone criticizes what Obama is doing all you Liberals start spewing "omg omg omg he's just cleaning up after teh Bushez give him a chance!"

How about we just talk about Peloci and stick to our discussion here. thx

[heliochrome85]

First off...relax.

I've always been against spending ludicrous amounts of money. It's my God given right to criticize anyone I want. Just cause Obama is your savior doesn't make him any less applicable to scrutiny.

Where in my posts have I said, before Obama we had awesome moderation on spending. Go find something, I'll wait. Or are you just generalizing that I'm pro Bush or a right wing nutter because I'm voicing a negative opinion of "The One". I am NOT a Republican...I'm against the war, I'm against spending, for pro choice, pro gun...I could go on. I'm Independent...so I can and will voice my opinions about anyone in office anytime I want to.

Was I joking about oversight? Are you so simple in your partisanship that you label everyone as right and wrong, left and right? I have been pro oversight since I could vote. We waste money...it's the one thing we have always done well. Because someone else before you does a down right awful job does that mean you can do just slightly better and be doing a good job? Is Obama entitled to do anything he wants because Bush did to? When do the excuses stop? Was like that when I got here...etc.

Get off your high horse Helio.

Debate the topic and stop deflecting. We waste money...period. So you're either pro spending or not. Now YOU'RE the one that has to side. This has nothing to do with the past. It's simple...we're wasting money. So...for or against smaht guy.

The whole situation reminds me to somthing bud might understand. One of the hardest jobs in college basketball was the one of mike davis, who took over for Bobby Knight at IU a few years ago. Doesnt matter who they put in that job, they wouldnt last.

In this situation, Bush was so appalingly bad, everyone finally woke up and said, whoa, we need changes and things need to be right. Oversight doesnt exist, cause it hasnt existed for 8 years. He has yet to enter his second month in office, and already people are complaining. His job is already the hardest job in the country, let alone haveing the added pressure of 300 million monday morning quarterbacks.

you want me to take a position? IM PRO SPENDING. A stimulus isnt a stimulus if its giving the country's citizenry 5 bucks each. plus, im sorry, when the kid is in the hospital, it isnt the best timem to be making a budget, and seeing how to do it on the cheap. to recover, we are going to have to not cut corners. cutting corners is what got us in this mess.

[heliochrome85]

We're talking about Nazi Pelozi, not the President, but yeah, if he drove around a Ford Focus he would get a lot more respect from the people.

Helio,

What Bush did does not justify Obama in what he is doing. Every time anyone criticizes what Obama is doing all you Liberals start spewing "omg omg omg he's just cleaning up after teh Bushez give him a chance!"

How about we just talk about Peloci and stick to our discussion here. thx

its discussions like this, with people like you, liquid cool, and armelius that make the decision to quit this forum for a while, all the easier. good luck with your self serving conversation.

oh, and btw, this isnt a discussion. get your terms straight. this is a rant.

[dusred]

its discussions like this, with people like you, liquid cool, and armelius that make the decision to quit this forum for a while, all the easier. good luck with your self serving conversation.

These are things I am passionate about and I can discuss them as I wish. You throw your side in and I'll throw mine in. I don't argue points about things unless I know I'm right .

It's not like I have a personal grudge against you so please don't take my posts like that. In fact I wouldn't mind meeting you someday and the same goes for Hash, Matt, Bud, and Greg (and if you're lucky maybe even Jacko ).

oh, and btw, this isnt a discussion. get your terms straight. this is a rant.

Whatever you want to call it I guess. Your call.

[WDRacing]

I'm not against the stimulus at all Helio. I may not like every single way it's being spent, but I am more then willing to concede that you can't please everyone.

I also agree that Bush was, IMO, a failure. Utterly...the only reason I voted Republican was because my wife and I were both active duty. Clinton cut us back so badly that we were doing twice the amount of work with no increase in pay at the same time they were ramping up the ops tempo 10 fold. So in that case you have to vote for who's going to pay you. I'd been in the desert since 93 anyway, so the war at that time wasn't even a remote concern. Not to mention I was clueless when it came to fiscal spending and debt.

What I am against is increased or at least not decreased spending on things that don't have shinola to do with the economy. So IMO Bush being a fool has nada to do with the current lack of oversight in this administration.

I'm not calling Obama a failure. But I don't think he's doing enough to plug the arterial gash we seem to have in the budget. Don't take my opinion as a personal attack, it's just an opinion from another tax payer watching his debt go up and up without actually buying anything.

A different stimulus package that I would have rather seen is a tax free gift of 12,015 to every tax payer in the US. That way we could have decided what banks to go with, what automobile manufacturer stays open and what millions of small business would have actually received some money. Instead of the already failing conglomerates. If the 12k isn't enough then you're one of the Americans that lived so far beyond your means that you deserve what you get.

I know I could do some serious good with 12k. How about you?

WD

[intermilanrox]

I agree with most of your ideas.

Give ALL the tax payers some money, not just the poor. We then decide who we want to "bail out".Many Americans would put a dent if not pay off their debt, or car loans, part of their mortgage, etc. Then banks have more money to give out loans to people who deserve them, or to invest. The government should not be just giving out handouts to every corporation that asks for one. Let the people decide. Hell, if my family got 12k, I know that the economy would definatley benefit. I say ALL Americans because it's not fair that the people making under 100k get taxed less, and still get tax cuts and get money from the gov't, while people making 200k+ are being taxed out the @$$, even though the majority of them work their butts off to be in the jobs they are in, and to get the money they get. On top of that, it isn't the poor who are going to create jobs. It's the small business owners, who make 200k+ a year. \

As for Bush being a complete failure, I don't agree completely. I mean he did keep this country safe after 9-11. That is un-arguable. Now there were some things that he did that I honestly dislike greatly, such as the No Child Left Beyond, and the Bailout at the end. But overall, he did a decent job, and I feel that many people dislike him due to the war, which is why his approval rating was $H!T.

[AZhitman]

I can not wait to see the final death of the GOP. Whenever that day comes, and it is coming, it will be the dawn of a new era of american politics.

A rare narrow-minded stereotypical statement from an otherwise incredibly wise man...

[themadscientist]

I look foward to the implosion of both parties and in the confusion the chance for government by the people and for the people to rise. When there are more than two parties we have a chance for some real change. To suggest one of the two major parties wresting power back from the other will bring any real change is naive.

[480sx]

A rare narrow-minded stereotypical statement from an otherwise incredibly wise man...

Do you feel that the GOP's current platform represents you and should continue to play a part in American politics for forever?

Both the Democratic and Republican party were formed in the 1800's. Its time for a change.

You can put a fat ugly chick up on a treadmill and eventually she will just be an ugly chick. Its still not what you want in your house destroying your treadmills.

[themadscientist]

You can put a fat ugly chick up on a treadmill and eventually she will just be an ugly chick. Its still not what you want in your house destroying your treadmills.

That metaphor has so many levels.

[smockers83]

I look foward to the implosion of both parties and in the confusion the chance for government by the people and for the people to rise. When there are more than two parties we have a chance for some real change.

Here's something I've proposed a few times here, what about no parties? Who says there has to be parties? You eliminate many variables in the political system that plague it.

[audtatious]

Leave Pelosi alone. She needs that jet for her weekly appointments to the plastic surgeon. She has low self esteem and needs to eat some cannabis brownies to feel better about herself. Donchano?

[AZhitman]

Do you feel that the GOP's current platform represents you and should continue to play a part in American politics for forever?

One, don't assume I'm a Republican. NEITHER party represents me.

Two, one doesn't make changes to an entire party. Individuals make up the party, and it starts at the local level. If someone needs voting out, I vote against them. If someone (on either ticket) shares my views, I vote FOR them.

Making this a "party" issue is a recipe for failure. Cut out the rotten spots and the apple is still edible.

[Jesda]

Obama and Pelosi took the things I hated most about the Bush era, and EXCEEDED them.

Bush overspent.Bush approved whatever budget his party sent him.Bush used fear to push the Patriot act, likewise Obama with his trillion-dollar spending plan.

Nothing's changed. Misery has a prettier face with prettier words, that's all.