I've owned an Electric car for a year and a half!

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Hey guys, long time, no post. Life has been a special kind of crazy this last year. I've been mulling this in my head for a while, but I finally have the time to write it down.

Life with an Electric daily has been far different than I ever expected. I expected big changes that never happened, and things have happened I never expected. Let' start with what I expected that didn't happen.

1. I've never had a problem with this thing. Ever. Everything has always worked. I was worried I'd have software bugs, or other issues computers usually have, but so far none. It's been a pleasure to drive.

2. It's been easy to get serviced. I was worried when I had problems with the purchase dealer, that I would have trouble finding another dealer to service it. No such problem. Damerow Ford has been everything a dealer should be. Had I known, I'd have leased the car with them.

3. The battery has run out once. We forgot to charge it, drove off to work, ran out on the way. Tow truck came, but it had to be towed to a charger, instead of just splashing in fuel. However, chargers are everywhere here. So it got towed to work, charged it there. Drove home with a full battery.

4. I still enjoy driving it. I expected to be bored with this thing by now. I still love it. In case you don't remember, it's 143hp 184 lb/ft. All the torque is great, but the eco-tires slow it down because they slip a lot, and the Traction Control can't be turned off. :/

5. I have never had to cancel a trip for lack of range. I expected that I'd have range issues but I really never have to go more than 50m in any one direction in a single day. Even if we do go somewhere, we can usually charge while we are there, and the middle 1/3 charges pretty fast.

But there are a lot more things I didn't expect. Not all of them are good. Some of them I don't know how to feel about.

6. I miss engine noises.
7. I like the quiet. So yeah. I don't know how to feel. I will admit to making engine noises more than once when I was bored. However, I only miss it accelerating. I like it when I'm cruising. No long unending drone. It's nice when you're trying to hold a conversation.

8. The winter is especially annoying. There are a few reasons here. First of all the heat. Using the heater cuts the range in half. There is no excess heat like an ICE. This has made things annoying. I have to charge the car daily instead of every 2 days, but that's not the worst of it.

9. The car has to be plugged in when it's under 35f. So far it has cost me an extra $200 a month to operate, between the excess power used for heat while driving, and the power required to warm the batteries at night. This drastically affects the value of electricity vs gas. In the winter, it's pretty much a wash, and it's not that cold here.

10. 184 lb/ft of torque at idle sounds amazing until you're trying to do a slow start on ice. This thing spins it's wheels. Thanks largely in part to the eco-tires. Next winter I will run snows and see if that helps.

11. Normal cars smell. I never noticed how much until I started driving this daily. I'm not complaining, but it's like riding in a diesel when you're used to a gas. You notice all the smells you'd otherwise be used to.

12. I kinda find transmissions annoying now, even my manual. When the argument was change gears myself vs let the machine do it, I wanted to do it. The Focus doesn't have one at all. Just never shift. I'll still never own an auto, but I'll take the non transmission option if I can.

13. I forget that I need to go somewhere to get fuel for my truck. I've gotten used to checking energy levels when I get home, I forget to look while I'm out on the truck, and that has almost caused problems.

14. I get free electricity all the time. Lifetime I've regenerated about 1/4 of my miles driven, and there are free chargers a lot of places.

15. Using a public pay charger is expensive. Almost twice what it costs me to charge at home.

All in all I like it. Batteries still need to catch up, but that doesn't help the winter power consumption issues. It would just help store enough power to make it easier to live with. I'm very happy with it, and we've talked about buying ti when the lease is up. Ford is promising to double the range of our batteries, but no idea what that upgrade would cost. The costs to operate aren't as low as I had originally planned, given winter. This is a problem as I was planning the lower operational costs to offset the purchase price. It's still in total cheaper than a gas car, but not by as much as I expected.

I still have another year and a half on the lease. I'm tempted to buy it because I can't imagine what we'd replace it with. The Focus is a well refined chassis. It's been developed over decades and millions of cars. It drives great. Ford did an excellent job making it electric. My only worry is the eventual replacement of the batteries, and the costs associated. Oh, and I still laugh at Leafs as a power past them, while have a larger range. :bigthumb:


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Glad you like it. It'll be interesting to see what happens to the resale value (and your desire to purchase once the lease is up) once the model 3 comes out.

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After talking to a lot of people who own electrics, I'm over the Tesla. For all their range, they all lose engines by 70k miles. Tesla is replacing them, but still. They use even more power to keep the batteries warm, since there are so many. A heated garage is easier. On top of that, they disintegrate in collisions. If you crash, it's totaled. Period.

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I just got an electric car too!

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OriginalWheelman wrote:After talking to a lot of people who own electrics, I'm over the Tesla. For all their range, they all lose engines by 70k miles. Tesla is replacing them, but still. They use even more power to keep the batteries warm, since there are so many. A heated garage is easier. On top of that, they disintegrate in collisions. If you crash, it's totaled. Period.
1) Yeah I agree, very low barrier to getting totaled. The problem is that Tesla charges a lot for parts. Buy GAP Insurance> it's pretty easy to find cheap wrecked cars.

2) Drive unit failure was only on the 2012/13 cars and has since been fixed (newer cars don't have the issue). Tesla will replace the drive unit under the 8 Year unlimited mile warranty. Meh, not a big one for me.

3) Don't live where it's cold. :chuckle:

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SO how come gas-electrics haven't been brought up yet?

Also, what does finding cheap wrecked cars have to do with a totalled electric vehicle? I would assume most have the same problem if they are totalled so easily...

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Hybrids are pointless. Buy a gas car if you need to go on long trip, or rent one. No point in making two engines, batteries, and all that nonsense for one car.

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It's really weird that you posted this. I was JUST thinking about you and this car a few days ago while driving through town and I was next to one just like yours at a traffic light. I wondered how yours was getting along and what you thought about it.

That is really interesting about the batteries and the cold. I hadn't considered that at all. Can you put the plug on a timer? I had a similar issue with my diesel work truck. Keeping it plugged in all night, every night, was using huge amounts of electricity (nearly $100/month during the winter). I found a timer specifically for engine block heaters. I have it start warming the block about 4 hours before I leave for work and it works great and has saved me easily $50/month, maybe more.

I agree about hybrids. I think I read somewhere that Toyota admitted that they made them so they could have money to invest in full electric cars. They basically knew people were too anxious about the range to buy full electric, so they made the Prius as a stop-gap. Now they're so popular, I think they're just building them because they're profitable.

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Gotta keep the batteries at temp all the time, not just before you run them. So a timer isn't really an option. Also, the power must be on before the charger is hooked up to the car. Speaking of timers though, there is a "Ready by" mode, which charges the car most efficiently to have them ready by the go time, and warms/cools the cabin to the temperature set on the wall power, so you start off warm with a full battery. It's nice, but still have to pay for that heat.

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Damn. That would be a nuisance. Not sure it would be a deal breaker for me though. Have you noticed any drop in range yet? What kind of range are you getting out of it?

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I've seen no noticeable drop in range, other than winter. I do about 100 miles to a charge or just under 50 if I use the heat. The car is well insulated, so it's easy to warm the cabin up and turn the heat off for a while, especially since the heated seats are nice and warm, and use the 12v battery.

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How does the heat work? Is it just an element that's either on or off? If it is on/off, is it just on all the time and you mix cold air in with it like an ICE equipped vehicle does, or is it cycled on and off like the furnace in your house? I guess what I'm getting at is, does the electrical consumption from the heater drop once the cabin comes up to temp, or is it just on all the time?

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I'm not really sure. It does seem to use more power when it's colder, but it uses a lot of power no matter how much it has to heat the cabin. If there is a power consumption difference, It's not obvious. I'll keep an eye on it.

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Yeah, can you try switching it to recirculating cabin air instead of trying to heat the outside air?

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It has to heat the battery up. Batteries do not like the cold. If it gets really cold you can take a big hit in range. But I've never had a problem with that even in Chicago. The heat is by elements and you can preheat the car via the app anyplace any time. I can charge at 220v at 100amps so its not takign to long to "fill"back up to go out again, esp if you have the supercharger.

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It's not time, it's the cost. My car charges up fine overnight on 120v. I've never had the need for a larger charger, but the car will take up to 35amps @240v if I let it. But 15amps @120v charges it just fine.

I did forget the biggest problem though. Once day the power went out, and my spouse couldn't get to work.

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PapaSmurf2k3 wrote:Yeah, can you try switching it to recirculating cabin air instead of trying to heat the outside air?
I've been fiddling with this, and it took me some time to get this worked out. For some reason, it won't turn on air recirculation unless I set 100% of the climate controls to manual, even the fan speed. Once I convinced the air to recirc, it seemed to improve the power consumption. However, this was only a 1 mile trip. Next longer drive I take I'll let you know the results.


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