I need you guys to help (nothing to do with cars)

[ffrpwner]

I Need help from anyone.

Four years ago my mom was arrested outside of a goodwill store. She had accidentally mixed her pain medication with a glass of wine....when the medicine kicked in she had already left the house with my little sister and gotten to good will. when she was checking out it all kicked in and she became extremly intoxicated and hallucinatory. The a** of a Cashier decided that calling a family member or an ambulance was a dumb idea and instead reported my mom was drunk and dangerous in the store.

This is the first time my mom had ever been in trouble she has never gotten a speeding tick and she regularly attends church she has never done anything to hurt anyone.

This was four years ago since then she has been in and out of jail, AA meetings, drug court, she has gone in to a coma after a accident in the jail and has been emotionally attacked by her probation officer. All of this and the final court decision to either let her free or send her to jail for the next two years is on Friday.

On top of all this....the probation officer tested her urine and it was positive for marijuana....we went to get it test again at the hospital 2 hours later and there was zero trace of anything in her system...She has also been tested positive for alcohol numerous times and this is starting to make me feel like they are planting things on her. Also in jail she said that they were giving her insulin and went way over her prescribed amount which put her in a coma....the jail is saying that she injected her self with insulin trying to kill her self. Now i know thats not true but if it was why would a inmate at their jail have insulin and needles in her possession wouldn't that look bad on the jail.

She has done everything they asked and they still seem to crush her. She dosent deserve this. My mom has been through so much in the past years she is about to breakdown she cant take it any more....the way she is being treated is border line cruel and unusual punishment.


Im Trying to get her story out there because she is not the only person that agrees Stafford county VA is unfair. She feels discriminated against. She is a Black female married to a white male with two mixed kids...This should not of gone on for this long i mean she wasnt even in the car when she was arrested but she still got charged with dui and felony child endangerment.

IF ANYONE KNOWS A REPORTER OR A JOURNALIST PLEASE HELP. I would like to talk to them and see how i can get this out in the media i cant sit around and let this happen

Thanks for listinging i hope someone can help.

Home 540-657-0772
Cell 540-841-5781
Email [email protected]
Pm me i dont care i have to do something about this

[float_6969]

I can't help, but I feel for you. I really hope this isn't a racial thing, but it sounds like it is. I'm still floored every time I hear about stuff like this. You'd think we'd be past this as a culture by now.

[Initial_Z]

You got two options:

1/ Prison break

2/ Oprah

[ffrpwner]

Just got finished emailing Oprah lol

and yeah i hope this isnt a racial thing either but i wouldn't be surprised. How could a county be so racist especially this close to dc.....it is so diverse in this area

[Chattzx]

sorry to hear man, I hope things get better soon so keep your head up. Hopefully someone will have a solution.

[nghtrain88]

well put infiniti_lineup

hope everything works out for you n your mom ffrpwner

[vulcanrush]

And I feel for you, I can only imagine how hard it is to have such a close family member in prison. Besides getting your story to the media channels, always make sure that your mom is safe and sound. But, I'm sure you already are!

+1.

[Amays U G37S]

VA? This is a military medical center. There would be ABSOLUTLY NO discrimination towards you mom regardless of her marriage.

There are plenty of military people married in interracial marriages.

I am not for sure what is going on, but people don't do stuff for the hell of it, just to bash someone else, unless there is a great cause behind it.

Show up to court with the ENTIRE FAMILY. This helps a lot when you have many loved ones with you.

[ffrpwner]

Move it to the general chat for more attention. I might be able to help with getting media exposure, I'll PM you about that later.

I've got to ask, though, she's obviously come across tens and tens, if not hundreds, of different corrections officers, probation officers, and judges. Some of them I'm sure were African American or Hispanic. What makes them ALL hold a grudge or, as you suggest, discriminate against your mom?

From my source, a public intoxication/drunk and disorderly charge only carries a $250 fine, (up to) 12 months in prison/100 hours of community service in Virginia. Why is your mom still in prison especially if she doesn't have a previous record? Something doesn't add up.

Don't get me wrong with the questions, I'm not rooting for the officers or judgements, just trying to understand a few gray areas.
If you really press forward with your story, you'll find thousands of naysayers with much more intrusive and worse questions, so think of it as preparation.

Also, as a precaution, tread very lightly when accusing a correctional facility of planting evidence or fabricating lies about a prisoner (i.e. your mom injecting herself). I'm not saying that they are telling the truth, but am saying that they will come barreling down on you evidence of the incident and completely throw out your entire story if you're found to be incorrect. They will come with lawyers, video evidence, and testimony from the observing correctional officers stating that your accusations are invalid. Depending on the custody level of the prison that your mom is in, they may also come with federal agents which won't be pretty.

And I feel for you, I can only imagine how hard it is to have such a close family member in prison. Besides getting your story to the media channels, always make sure that your mom is safe and sound. But, I'm sure you already are!

First shes not in prison as of now...she went to jail for 2 months then after the incident she was in the hospital in a coma for a month....then after all of this she started to get better her memory came back and she was doing good then her probation officer had her in jail for another three months....she got out and everything was fine then she had a surgery that caused a lot of pain. She had pain medication that needed to be taken other wise she wouldnt be able to move the pain was so bad but when the pills showed up in my moms urine test the probation officer had her arrested...saying she was popping pills and was a drug addict despite what the doctor told her. So my mom went to jail again for about three weeks and she didnt recive her pain medication for two weeks while in there....now somehow the probation officer told my mom she tested positive for weed in her urine....this amazes me cause my mom would never smoke weed and the crazy thing is that the probation officer never asked if i took drugs she assumed i did and said if your son is dealing you drugs i need to be notified...I HAVE NEVER SMOKED WEED....

The reason I need to get this out is because stafford county is obviously not treating their residentes the same. The women accross the street from my house was caught drunk driving with three kids in her van and she resisted arrest...she got 30 days and a 3000 dollar fine....my mom was not in a car or near a car when this happened and she had a sip of wine which when mixed with her medication caused her to act very drunk because thats how she felt. The doctor told the court that this happens alot people accidently drink to soon after or before they take medication and its unlucky my mom was out when it happened. also my mom has never committed a crime or even gotten a speeding ticket and they paid no attention to the fact that this is a first offense oh and that women i mentioned earlier that got 30 days she was white married to a white man.

Also i cant say everyone is racist in this county but the judge has always been unfair and its obvious that the probation officer is prejudice but she wont let my mom get a different officer....something has to be done i have to try she is being treated like she killed some one when infact that day the only person in danger was my mom..

[dre1507]

That's sad. i'll be praying for your family and especially your mom.

[93coupe]

As a guy that has been on and off probation for close to five years, this sounds like the typical story of everyone in the probation office: "These police, judges and POs are unfair/racist/have it out for me." That is almost always not the case. Every one that I have come across recognized that you were not in a good place in life and wanted to help if you want to help yourself.

How does someone accidentally mix up pain meds with wine? Oops, I thought it was sparkling Welch's? No. When people are prescribed pain meds they know not to drink with them. For your mom to be that loopy on medication after "accidentally" mixing them with alcohol, she had to have taken more than what was prescribed or drank quite a bit.

How did she get a DUI? And why was she driving your sister around after drinking wine? Sounds like your mom is not making wise choices.

If you take your prescription to the PO, they must allow that drug to be in your system during urinalysis.

The white woman that is married to the white guy- When she was sentenced for her DUI, did she have the same judge as your mother? Different judges delve out different punishments for the same crime all the time. Hell, the same judges are inconsistent. Look at Dante Stallworth v. Mike Vick. That s*** wasn't fair.

[nghtrain88]

ffrpwner- why did your mom not submit the prescription slip for her pain medication the first time the probation officer found it in her test? they can't pin her for drug addiction if a legitimate script is turned in

edit- sorry i just read 93coupe's post.. he mentions the same thing

[breadbox]

Yeah, Virginia really knows how to make a normal person feel like a criminal.

[ffrpwner]

As a guy that has been on and off probation for close to five years, this sounds like the typical story of everyone in the probation office: "These police, judges and POs are unfair/racist/have it out for me." That is almost always not the case. Every one that I have come across recognized that you were not in a good place in life and wanted to help if you want to help yourself.

How does someone accidentally mix up pain meds with wine? Oops, I thought it was sparkling Welch's? No. When people are prescribed pain meds they know not to drink with them. For your mom to be that loopy on medication after "accidentally" mixing them with alcohol, she had to have taken more than what was prescribed or drank quite a bit.

How did she get a DUI? And why was she driving your sister around after drinking wine? Sounds like your mom is not making wise choices.

If you take your prescription to the PO, they must allow that drug to be in your system during urinalysis.

The white woman that is married to the white guy- When she was sentenced for her DUI, did she have the same judge as your mother? Different judges delve out different punishments for the same crime all the time. Hell, the same judges are inconsistent. Look at Dante Stallworth v. Mike Vick. That s*** wasn't fair.

Im sorry but you dont know my mom...She did only have a sip of wine i didnt say she accidently drank wine what im saying is she didnt take the pill with wine she had a sip or maybe even a glass(wine glass)and took her medicine a hour later when the pill kicked in she had a bad reaction. She didnt make a good choice no but the way she is being treated is completly unfair. Lets see how many people in the world have had a ONE beer at dinner or ONE beer while watching a game then drove within a hour of that she had one glass of wine at most.

We took the prescriptions....hell we took the f*** doctor to the probation officer she couldnt care two s*** what he had to say....

lol right now thinking that a probation officer is supposed to help their clients makes me laugh....this probation officer has made it clear that she is against interracial marriages when she suggested that my mom and dad should...." get a divorce and maybe she will care more?...her words exactly. And she takes one look at me i met her once! and she accused me of smoking weed and giving it to my mom to smoke as well. She never asked if i had smoked weed she said to my mom that the urine test she took a hour ago came back positive for weed....then she said where do you get it? my guess is from your son if your son is giving you weed i need to be notified so i can take care of the situation. I have never smoked weed and if i know anything on this planet i know that my mom has not touched weed she would never do that...and for her to take two test with in 3 hours of taking the test that came back "positive" and to have them come back completely negative....does that make any sense no.

[ztommyx]

sorry to hear about your situation...

on another note, the court systems (of any kind) is one of the most corrupted systems in america, period.
no one will ever tell you what you should do, even lawyers. i recommend you do your own research and get the help you need.

i learn this from experience. good luck.

[Encryptshun]

What sort of legal representation does your mom have? Honestly, man, if I were you and this were my mother, I'd scrounge whatever money I could together and get her a good lawyer. If everything that you are saying is true, a trial lawyer that's half worth his/her salt would have her out of this mess and be filing wrongful prosecution suits that would set your family up for life.

1) In jail, insulin and the needles used to inject is are a controlled substance. If the jail said your mom was self-injecting the insulin, where did she get it? What happened to the insulin vial that's supposed to be kept at the dispensary? They should be able to subpoena that and account for the amount prescribed versus the amount used. Correctional centers MUST keep a spot-on inventory of all that stuff for audit purposes.

2) A probation officer sending her to jail for taking prescription medication? No way a judge would let that stand. Gotta be more to it than that.

3) A false positive for THC that is contradicted by a hospital test for THC 2 hours later is enough to overturn the original test results or at least cast reasonable doubt on them.

[RED_DET]

So this has been going on for 4 years. A simple misdemeanor case? Very interesting is all that I can say. Those charges would have been amended to a lesser crime, credit time served and paid a fine. This would of taken all but 6 months in our court system. I know, I frequent it often and arrest many people. I am just baffled that this (1) incident has dragged on this long. Do you live with your mom? How do you know exactly what she does all day long, if she drinks or abuses her medication? I ask these questions because I see and hear these stories all the time and usually there is more to the story. I'm not accusing your mother of anything, but as you can see people have pointed out things don't add up here and there seems to be a lot of pointing the finger that fault is with the masses and not the person in the mirror.

(1) The cashier at the store is not at fault. They did what any ordinary citizen does day in and day out. I get these calls all the time. They don't know your mother from Eve, but they do know she is intoxicated to a level that is not safe for her to drive and surely can't take care of a child.

(2) Why was your mom on pain pills to begin with? She obviously knows not to mix those with alcohol of any kind or any dose, right?

(3) Are we sure that the probation officer is not so much concerned with the prescription medication, but the levels that were in her system which was measured during the blood test.

(4) What type of independent test did you mother have done for the THC, urine I hope. THC only remains detectable in blood for a few hours.

Hopefully you are not upset, I am simply playing devil's advocate, because anyone involved in this fiasco could do that anytime. Hell even a reporter is going to dig even deeper than what anyone in this thread has done, so you better be prepared.

Good Luck!

[Jesda]

The prisonization of America. People with minor issues get roped into a s*** system and end up with more problems than they had when they started. And this all costs us money as taxpayers.

[SarahLovesHer300zx]

I liveed in Roanoke, VA for 18 years before I moved to FL.. I know WSLS News Channel 10 would love to hear your story and will probably do some digging for your family. Good luck with everything, i hope this helps

[Dattebayo]

It seems like your mom can't do any wrong in your mind. You need to amend that notion right away.

Also, probation officers are as$holes no matter how you look at it. And a false-positive for THC is very hard to get, see first sentence of this post again.

[AZhitman]

Also, probation officers are as$holes no matter how you look at it.

Do you have a "say one idiotic thing per day" quota to meet?

I'm gonna echo what MIke (RED_DET) said... Hope it's not offensive, but as someone who's worked in the system for quite some time, it sounds like 1/2 the story.

Still, it's your Mom... and that's really all that matters.

[PoorManQ45]

I am intrigued by the DUI charge though...

We talked about this on Nico before. Typically is you are "in control of" the vehicle you can be charged. This means in the vehicle with the keys within your reach or some crap.

If your mother was not near the vehicle at the time how did they pin a DUI on her?

[Dattebayo]

Do you have a "say one idiotic thing per day" quota to meet?

Probation officers aren't in the job or paid to make a difference, they are paid to keep you in line. Most don't care to be nice about it. How is that idiotic to say that? OH YEAH, it's not. You don't have to get all personal about it.

Thanks.

[Jesda]

I actually just finished an accelerated course on the criminal justice system. Took it for fun as an elective and completed my final exam and handed in my research paper earlier this week. Most of my peers were of the typical "get tough" mentality shared by most of non-criminal society, but my teacher, with several years of experience in the criminal justice system, favored probation and other forms of corrections for non-violent offenders rather than hard punishment.

I generally agreed with him.

There's also truth to what Dattebayo said, but it varies by state. In California, probation officers are burdened by case loads exceeding 300, which is absolutely ridiculous. In such situations, I can easily see a PO having little personal concern for the situation or specific needs of the offender simply due to a lack of time and energy. I don't know anything about the system in Virginia. My textbook is 30 feet away and my dog is laying on it.

Probation is there to rehabilitate and reintegrate, but if probation (or its many non-prison alternatives) fails, the offender is sometimes left in worse shape than how they began. So, I empathize, but Greg is also right, we're probably not hearing the entire story.

With the way our approach to crime has changed over the last 30 years, I'm usually skeptical of prosecutors and judges.

[AZhitman]

Do you have a "say one idiotic thing per day" quota to meet?

Probation officers aren't in the job or paid to make a difference, they are paid to keep you in line. Most don't care to be nice about it. How is that idiotic to say that? OH YEAH, it's not. You don't have to get all personal about it.

Thanks.

You insult an entire profession and expect not to be called on the carpet? Yes, that's idiotic.

Considering I've dealt with hundreds of PO's and SO's, and you've maybe dealt with a couple, I'd say odds are your broad generalization is about the same as those of some kid who says, "F*** the police" because he got a ticket.

Everything else you said was spot-on, I'm just not sure if you have "keyboard Tourette's" or something...

[nghtrain88]

You insult an entire profession and expect not to be called on the carpet? Yes, that's idiotic.

Considering I've dealt with hundreds of PO's and SO's, and you've maybe dealt with a couple, I'd say odds are your broad generalization is about the same as those of some kid who says, "F*** the police" because he got a ticket.

Everything else you said was spot-on, I'm just not sure if you have "keyboard Tourette's" or something...

[AppleBonker]

Considering I've dealt with hundreds of PO's and SO's

Not trying to be the one to point out the obvious, but I'm guessing you didn't deal with them from the on-probation side. While I would like to think it's not the case, I have a hard time believing those individuals would treat peers and those on probation the same way.

[Encryptshun]

Sorry if I missed it in my re-reading of the thread, but OP, what is your mom's situation in terms of legal representation?

[Bubba1]

Sorry if I missed it in my re-reading of the thread, but OP, what is your mom's situation in terms of legal representation?

I was thinking the same thing. Based on the facts as you presented them, it sounds like your mom might need better representation than what she has now. But I also have a feeling that there is more to this story behind the "system's" responses than what you've shared, or what your mother told you. There's no question you love your mom and I feel sorry for her predicament.