i need pics...no HUD but Cluster Swap

[NoDrifto]

ok....this is the deal

i did some searching on this and didn't really find what i need for sure since peoples "stall" instructions were vague....

i need pics of the gauge cluster of a NON HUD cluster, some detailed pics of the back of it i need to see how the conenctions are and see if it matches the one i have(the HUD cluster version as show non HUD in the post).....don't have time for atleast a few weeks so i take my cluster apart and see for myself, so if i can get some pics of someones then it may make it easier to know whati need...

i am thinking i do not need the ECU of the HUD version since i think theres another piece that actually does ther digital conversion from analog that sits near the cluster itself...BUT i am not sure if thats it.....just an GUESSS ehhehehehe but i have no pics of since i didn't know about it til like a day before this post....

i just want to know for sure if i plug it up will it work or is tha black piece in the 3rd picture only for the HUD part?

please if anyone has more indepth details abot this post up and pics please!!

[NoDrifto]

pics like this please!



this is a pic of the HUD Gauge Cluster below

[NoDrifto]

those two black(maybe on piece) thats for the conversion to analog to digital......

this is a pic of the HUD Gauge Cluster

[NoDrifto]

hmmmmmm mayeb one plug is the the digital speedo for the cluster and the other is for the HUD? arrrgh my brain hurts....

[NoDrifto]

bah i got so curious decided not to gout outtodaya nd take the dash apart.....its a *****.....so much easier on my subie....

but i go tit out and looks liek its THREE different harnesses for the non HUD cluster.....

[NoDrifto]

on the non HUD clusters its 1x 12 pin and 2x 10 pins.......so i guess the question is......

it is startin to look like a bigger job then i expected......

do i need the whole wiring harness to the ECU? or also need the ECU as well?

[slow s13]

all you need is the small sub harness from the cluster to the cars harness

[amolao]

zerothread?id=96108

Is kind of late for the pics but here is some info in reference to HUD clusters, Im not really sure what your question is but let me try to help you. The conversion for the analog to digital signal is done at the HUD cluster (where the 2 black connectors are),,,,When you look at the 2 connector in the back of the HUD cluster you have the top for the harness (for speedometer signal coming in) and the smaller bottom one is for the connection for the remote read out (sits under corner front dash) that reflects speed read out on the windshield...When you look at the non HUd cluster is basically direct connections to all signals (speed, warning lights,etc)....Check the FSM for diagrams showing where all signals go and which pins......hope this helps...

Oh also remember that you need the respective harness for the cluster in order to get them to work....you probably know this...

[NoDrifto]

zerothread?id=96108

Is kind of late for the pics but here is some info in reference to HUD clusters, Im not really sure what your question is but let me try to help you. The conversion for the analog to digital signal is done at the HUD cluster (where the 2 black connectors are),,,,When you look at the 2 connector in the back of the HUD cluster you have the top for the harness (for speedometer signal coming in) and the smaller bottom one is for the connection for the remote read out (sits under corner front dash) that reflects speed read out on the windshield...When you look at the non HUd cluster is basically direct connections to all signals (speed, warning lights,etc)....Check the FSM for diagrams showing where all signals go and which pins......hope this helps...

Oh also remember that you need the respective harness for the cluster in order to get them to work....you probably know this...

i don't care for the moment about the atualy HUD since i do not have the coupe se dash......but my main question is.....

is the harness all i need for it to plug in the car and makes it work for everything like the indicators for Oil ebrake engien temp fuel and so on.....since lookin at both the clusters all the pins are in different spots so with the SE harness to put in my car will it all go where it should to when it plugs into the ecu? or will my oil light be my ebrake light? you know will things be swapped around and may not even work at all?

i guess its like if i have the wiring harness thats made for that cluster will it all plug up or will i have to get our my wire cutters and start splicing and sodering? bsically is both the ECU the same or both different? no wonder no one really did this mod unless they had a whole front clip i really like that gauge cluster, i think its a perfect design....

thanks for the help so far amolao, yeha after taking it apart i can see the harness is somethign i really needed, buti can get it from the person i got the cluster from since he has no use for it....should have grabbed it then but i had no clue what i needed....

[NoDrifto]

amolao so......you did this conversion already.......what were the things you swapped out from your car and from the HUD car?

very nice pictures....thanks for that post

i got a white fb too!!! zer...29459 check it~

[amolao]

Ok, I guess what you trying to do is to swap an HUD cluster for an analog one....You need:HUD cluster (that works..)Specific wiring harness for itIf you also want the reflection on the windshield then you can get the remote HUD unit and a hole on your dash to mount it....you also need the wire to connect both units together....If you just want the HUD cluster on your car it will work fine without the remote unit if you dont want to cut a hole on your dash....hope this helps, there is tons on info on this topic....

Oh yes, only red and white 240's are the ****sky, they rock!!!

[NoDrifto]

so all i need is that harness made for the HUD version.....everything else will just plug right in?

[amolao]

yes, the car harness behind the cluster has two set of connectors, one for HUD, one for analog.........oh also hopefully you have an HUD harness....I heard they are hrd to find by themselves.....(without the cluster)....

[NoDrifto]

the guy i bought it from is gonan give it to me once hes tears it down since hes doing aS14 or S14 swap and getting the whole front clip....i just wanted to make sure that was all i needed, ifi need the ECU i could get it too but why bother if i don t need it for it to work.....

thanks for the info again man~

[amolao]

one more thing, SOHC HUD only work on SOHC engines, and DOHC HUD will only work on DOHC engines.........

[NoDrifto]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm i will have to check....

you know if the early models sohc ecu and later models sohc ecu of the S13 were any different?

[amolao]

dont know, sorry

[NoDrifto]

thanks anyways man....alot of help.....i guess i seem to be doing alot of difficult mods =P

[trackslut240]

any luck getting it to work?i will be getting the same HUd type display, have to see what my electronic expertise( ) can do... will keep a check here, just post what u have done so far, thanks and good luck, will let you know once i rip my hair out, burn my fingers(soldering)...

[tyrannix]

is there a reference somewhere for that? i thought the speedo was dohc/sohc independant , and only the tach was different?

thats not that case for the hud unit?

[NoDrifto]

not yet havent a chance BUT this weekend i may go up to pick up that last harness i need and swap out....plug and see if anythign is mising or what not....it came from a sohc engine too so i SHOULD have no probs....i ll keep this updated.....sorry for long delay since i been a lil busy......

i got the wireharnbess for that car with the HUD too so....i should be good to go.....even if need i can get the ECU and swap that also.....so theorectically it SHOULD be a cinch....but hell took 2 hours to do my damn turn sigs....

[NoDrifto]

no reference that i have come across yet...just gonna try myself with a few friends and i will document with my digi if i dont forget to take with me.....

so by sat i hope to have the new cluster in.....

but from what i have seen is that the black piece is for the hud up one to out to the HUD and other is in where a small unit converts from analog to digital.....so i will need that oen piece as well......all this and it probably wont work.....but as logn as everythign works like oil light gas temp so on......i can just replace the speedo with a blitz unit

[NoDrifto]

i don tneed to kno how fast i am going........its too slow to even matter!!!!

[trackslut240]

i will try to look for the harness in junkyards, if not then i will just solder the connections and make one, will brush my solder skills too , i still have to figure out the black connector, coz thats for the speedo, i got a JDM digital gauge, so i know i will have to swap the tach unit from my existing one, since jdm to dohc tach dont work, lets see how many more finger burns i get ... keep us posted and thanks

[NoDrifto]

ont he back of the clusters its all labeled what goes where so you can modify the harness to make it work as long as you got a diagram of the stock and j spec ecu.....pretty simple just time comsuming i am just HOPING the ecu of the coupe and hatch is the same way so that the harness itself is already set do so i don tneed to change out anything and plug and play it.......i don tmind the work its just i wanna know what i am getting into.....so if theres a porblem i am ready for it......i will try not to forget my camera....

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[trackslut240]

hey man, i finally got the harness, plugged it in, and voila, the tach works, the temp and fuel and all the lights work, but the digital speedo does not work, i hope i dont need the HUD unit for it to work??.... any ideas, i will try to find that post which said u have to solder something inside the digital unit and it will work again.... so far so good, the harness makes it so easy...if the tach wasnt going to work, i was going to pull mine out of the cluster i had in the car, but lucky me, i dont need to coz it works fine, i guess this was out of a ka24de engine and not a jdm unit.... what happened to yours? any progress?