I might be saying goodbye to my KAT soon, Ill miss this place...

[virus77]

I have been doing pretty good lately (money wise I guess) and as fun as the KAT is I might be selling it soon. I have been shopping around for cars and Im pretty sure Im picking up a 2002-2003 E46 M3 pretty soon so there is no room for the KAT anymore Kind of sad since my kat will smoke a new M3 but Im ready for the refinment of a new car. Just wanted to say that, Ill see how the next few days go.

[nonchalant rage]

why not keep the s14 too

[virus77]

down payment

[hysteria]

don't get me wrong, bmw's are nice, but you have a really nice kat, and it'd be a shame to see that thing go. of course the buyer would be HAPPY, but you're gonna miss it. i gotta tell you i've let cars go before and ended up missing them so much. and what hurts worse is that you consider what you put into the car and then it makes you realize that new cars suck compared to the badass ride you built... you have history with your car, but hey if you don't feel attached you're 10 steps ahead of me. i have a really hard time letting things go like that... i'm so attached to my car right now that i have it's future mapped out like it's my child and i'm putting money away for it's college fund...

anyhow so the other side to this is that i like m3's. they are badass cars. they aren't very fast (350z's are faster, but not by much), but the styling is nice, and driving a car like that is just nice all around. there are plenty of times when i am sitting in traffic in my kat with no a/c and think about how nice it must be to sit in the m3 next to me. even if i can smoke em they are still nice cars. if i had the money (for gas, insurance and the car itself) i am pretty sure i would buy an m5. i just love em all around. i'm not too keen on the newer styliong of bmw's yet, so i definitely am with you on choosing a 02-03 model...

well whatever you do good luck

[virus77]

ya im actually still considering doing it, but its not final yet. I want the M3 for its obvious reasons but I may actually do it a year down the line. I had alot of plans and a few things I wanted to still do to this car, and possibly adding an S13 the scenario but now im confused and dont know what to do. I was going to pull my motor and put it into a s13 for like a full race/fully stripped application and then maybe (please dont kill me) drop an SR into the s14 just to see how that motor is for fun and then sell it down the line because JDM tyte s14's go for more. I actually have a redtop motor available so I might still do that. I enjoy working on the cars and it gives me somthing to do on my free time. Really I was just bored and wanted to stir up some converstation, ahahh. Well see what happens.

[hysteria]

you drama queen!!!!

[Jookmasta]

Y u trying to start up trouble? where's the mods to beat some sense into him? lol.

[Craving4Boost]

that's too bad because i'm planning on saying HI to my KA-T pretty soon

[MarkEmark]

The M3 will feel like an obese pig compared to your KA-T. E46 M3's are heavy as hell (~3500 pounds)....thats 750 pounds heavier than an S14, a helluva lot of weight when it comes to sports cars. Don't get me wrong, the M3 is my favorite BMW by far, but just don't expect it to be what it's not. It's more of a luxury grand tourer than it is a sports car....which will nonetheless be nice to have. Like you said, BMW epitomizes refinement. Anyway, I'm sure you'll be happy with it...just make sure you get a real gearbox, none of that SMG bullshiit lol.

[hysteria]

yeah that's why even with an impressive straight six with 333 bhp it's not even as fast as a 350z with much less power... soo much more weight, and 350z's are freaking heavy.

if you can find one or have the money or whatever look at hartge converted 3 series bmw's..... they are monsters (they have 400+ hp v8's and a whole lot of upgrades all around including seats suspension and just about anything else you can think of), but good luck finding those, they are rare, and the people who have em don't like to get rid of em. plus i think they cost a whole lot but i'm not sure exactly what the cost is. i've only seen like 2 on the road.

but like i said, even though m5's are boats weighing in at over 4000 lbs, i'd still buy one in a second if i could afford one and then afford the cost of having one.

[C-Kwik]

yeah that's why even with an impressive straight six with 333 bhp it's not even as fast as a 350z with much less power... soo much more weight, and 350z's are freaking heavy.

if you can find one or have the money or whatever look at hartge converted 3 series bmw's..... they are monsters (they have 400+ hp v8's and a whole lot of upgrades all around including seats suspension and just about anything else you can think of), but good luck finding those, they are rare, and the people who have em don't like to get rid of em. plus i think they cost a whole lot but i'm not sure exactly what the cost is. i've only seen like 2 on the road.

but like i said, even though m5's are boats weighing in at over 4000 lbs, i'd still buy one in a second if i could afford one and then afford the cost of having one.

Where are you getting your info? M3's pull of 0-60 in under 5 seconds and run a standing 1/4 mile in 13.3-13.5 seconds. Both these numbers best a Z. Take it a step further and at the 1/4 mile mark, the M3 is about 5-6 mphj faster than the Z. The car is only about 200 lbs heavier at most depending on options. The Skidpad shows .87 to .91 G's for an M3, depending on which test you look at. The Z turns in a .89G skidpad. And a slalom of 68.3 mph. The 60-0 braking on the Z is 119 and the M3 is at 112, but the M3 reigns in 80 feet within 200 feet where the Z needs 217 feet. Either the Z is a sloppy sports car or the M3 is one hell of a GT. You can love or hate whatever cars you want for whatever reason you want, but check your facts before throwing them around.

Virus77, I wish you the best of luck with the M3. If I could afford a new one, I probably would have one. But I don't see any reason you need to leave. I traded my S14 KAT for a G35 almost a year ago and I still enjoy hearing about and discussing KAT's. But I will say I have no regrets. My S14 was a solid performer and was a close match(maybe a bit faster) to the G. But the refinement along with having such great performance is what you pay for. The S14 would hit 100 mph and air would be making it's way past the window seals and the car started feeling light. The G feels planted and wind noise seems like I'm still doin 60. No droning exhaust, exceptional brakes, very nice steering response...as much as I loved both the 240's I owned, there is a reason why expensive cars cost more.

[hysteria]

i got that info from best motoring videos because the 350z kicked the crap out of the m3. i mean it really beat the crap out of it. of course all this(and the numbers you have above) depend on the driver, but what i saw would have been the same if the drivers had switched seats.

i think a video tells more about a car than some pictures and a few numbers.

as far as the numbers go, well maybe a m3 can best a 350z by a little in the straight line, but it has no chance in the corners... i don't know about those skid pad numbers you posted... not that what you posted was inaccurate to your knowledge, but i don't think a m3 can do as well in the corners as a 350z, and that best motoring video i watched showed just that. all the cars in that race were stock. there was an m3, 350z, s2000, a skyline r34, and some other cars. i'll try to find the link to that video, but i can't remember off the top of my head.

[virus77]

I would say the video you saw mattered alot on the driver. I saw the one with a nsx and the lambos and a few other cars and the nsx guy was giving all hell to the car while the 911 turbo driver was cruising and making jokes in his automatic 911 turbo. Overall a M3 is a better performanc car than a 350z but its not all about that. Anyways upon further thought my M3 plans are being held off for this year at least, however I might sell my motor to a freind of mine who is interested in it and start all over again. Maybe I will do something with the SR motorset I have and sell the car in a year or so. Either way I wont be leaving the board so I guess I wont miss this place.

[DammitBobby]

Correct me if I am wrong but it seems like that people are selling the SR swap cars for a lot more money then the KA or KAT.

[Jurand]

Take those videos with a grain of salt. In a Best Motoring video, a 350Z spanks an M3. In a Top Gear video, a TVR and an NSX spank a C6 Corvette in a straight line. In Korean car videos, they probably have Tiburons spanking exotics.

[hysteria]

haha, you're probably right. i don't know. i've heard people talk crap about both cars, but i mean for what you pay for an m3 (at least 10 grand more, depending on options) it should be no contest with the 350z... i mean a 350z is pretty much the best of what nissan has to offer and the m3 is the best of the 3 series bmws... but i know you're not just paying for the performance... you're paying for the performance, the name, and the refinement... don't get me wrong i like the m3, i mean i really like em (i was thinking about buying an older one myself, maybe like 98 model and putting a turbo on it after i saw a few of those, and they were awesome) but i'm skeptical about just how well it performs in the stock configuration. but hey i don't think anyone can judge them against other cars unless they've driven them and the other cars they are pitting them against. so i'll shut up because all i have to go by is someone elses (magazines and auto tv show - maybe swayed) opinion...

i don't know, i've seen top gear where they were doing tests between a ferrari and a aston martin (brit car) and the ferrari beat it in the straight line, and they admitted it, although in the end they said they'd rather have the aston martin in their garage, overall, since the test was not just about straight line performance, it was about the whole package. i don't thnk their tests lie all the time, and the best motoring videos show in car views... and you can completely tell when the drivers are slacking off or when they are trying... the m3 was trying. i'll try to find that video.

[virus77]

Correct me if I am wrong but it seems like that people are selling the SR swap cars for a lot more money then the KA or KAT.

People feel more comfortable buying an SR swapped car because its been done so much already and everyone has seen the motor perform. Its only the KAT guys that know what the motor can do so its harder to sell. Its actually one of the reasons I eventually will put an SR in the car is becuase eBay will love it. With the KA you have to probably convince some douch off the street that your motor is good too, while he want to be JDM tyte.

[D1 guy]

Yeah I run into people that are like "its not jdm....ITS SLOW" These people suck. Yes you will have to convince people that the ka is a freaking awesome motor, b/c no one really knows its potential....except us on nico, ka-t.com, etc. People find it hard to trust the ka motors for some reason.

[2_Liter_Turbo]

It's because everyone says, "It's just a truck motor". I just replay, "have you ever thought that they acually put a car motor in the truck" ??? They did with DE. The DE's came out first in cars, then in the trucks. I belive 95 was the first year of the DE's in trucks. While 91 was the first year with 240's at least.

[Nismo_Freak]

Yeah I run into people that are like "its not jdm....ITS SLOW" These people suck. Yes you will have to convince people that the ka is a freaking awesome motor, b/c no one really knows its potential....except us on nico, ka-t.com, etc. People find it hard to trust the ka motors for some reason.

Don't worry there are plenty of people on both sides that are ignorant.

[turbo98_240sx]

Don't worry there are plenty of people on both sides that are ignorant.

So true