I'm NOT dropping my car period...

[rjdmmfl1]

After looking at Blake's pictures from his canyon run, I've decided against dropping the coupe. After getting my 20's w/ 245 tires, I absolutely love the grip on the road. And while, in a perfect world, I would still love to drop the coupe, I don't think 245 tires w/ a +35 offset 8.5" wheel setup is gonna work well with that drop at all.

We've all been debating about fender clearance, but we competely ignored the backspacing issue during turns , with a 1" drop. Blake's factory 215mm tires tore a hole in the protector while doing heavy inclined curved driving, it would have absolutely DESTROYED IT if he had 245 tires on it with a wider, lower offset wheel. Thanks for posting those pics Blake, I am now 99% certain I will NOT be dropping the coupe! Still a 1% chance though...lol

[LongBeachCoupe]

I follow the Dr's orders... im out as well kinda dissapointed.. but ohh well...

[mcheddadi]

I follow the Dr's orders... im out as well kinda dissapointed.. but ohh well...

with my 245 and 40+ I would have cleared a drop with about 10mm left, but with all the bumps and potholes around here it would have been A RUB HELL

Getting the new 19" is enough for me, no drop needed since I'm already going to have bigger than stock proportions with my 245/40/19 tires (0.5")

[desertdragon]

Doc, What pictures are you referring to?

[mcheddadi]

Doc, What pictures are you referring to?

zerothread/315198

[Serkle K]

but wouldnt a better/fully built suspension better support the balance of the ride, and change the risk of the rub after a drop?? assuming you can find the correct suspension peices...

[Altimus_Maximus]

Yeah, those pictures of the rub were pretty discouraging. The Eibachs are billed as not only a drop but also a sportier suspension setup. Only apparently you can't drive very sportilly with them even on stock wheels. So get the springs to improve your car's sport handling, but just drive like a grandma so you don't hurt anything....

[LongBeachCoupe]

So i look like a pimp.. but drive like a grandma? why not kit a lambo out of a civic then lol...

I wish it worked for me.. but i cant do it if the doc doesnt... orders

[desertdragon]

zerothread/315198

Thank you for the link.Wow, that is pretty bad. I had the same issue with my 05 3.5 altima sedan with eibach pro kit drop and 225/45/18 tires on aftermarket wheels. I had to change the plastic guard 2 or 3 times because of the same issue.One time it ripped the whole thing off when I was doing 85 mph on a highway and scared the s*** out of me.

Now I need to reconsider the drop.

[IMrGoodBarI]

before we go by those pics he does have a after market front and by the looks of it the plastic part looks loose from the bottom. If it was loose before the canyon run that means that it would be rubbing because the wind would push it towards the wheel, which would create the hole.

[desertdragon]

before we go by those pics he does have a after market front and by the looks of it the plastic part looks loose from the bottom. If it was loose before the canyon run that means that it would be rubbing because the wind would push it towards the wheel, which would create the hole.

That is a very good point. Great observation!

[johnny_d]

I noticed the loose fender guard and asked in the other thread earlier. Let's see what Blake says about that

[IMrGoodBarI]

yea I want to know the answer also, b/c I had a aftermarket front on my old car and the plastic cover never fit properly on it, which is what I believe created this issue in the first place. If you can chime in blake

[adidas2go]

Its the way the kit sits. Its attached at all points correctly. I checked it against Stillens car at the show we went to. I dunno its very secure, Its not moving anywhere.

[skiski329]

but you all do know that the car will perform better. This is because it is fwd and when we hit the gas not as much weight will go to the rear, our drive tires will have more traction, there will be less wheel spin.

[dangeris]

I have to agree that although the pics of Blakes fender well is discouraging, I have to be honest that I most likely will not be doing any canyon runs anytime in the near future. I merely drive the car back and forth form work and maybe a little bit of spirited driving. I'm still going for the 1" drop but the rims I want come also in 20x8.5 +35 offset. If I mount 225/35/20s I'll be in the same proportions of stock except the rim will stick out 22.5mm more than stock. Only way to overcome that is to roll the fenders, which I am seriously debating on doing. What do you guys think?
Modified by dangeris at 7:32 AM 2/22/2008

[rjdmmfl1]

I have to agree that although the pics of Blakes fender well is discouraging, I have to be honest that I most likely will not be doing any canyon runs anytime in the near future. I merely drive the car back and forth form work and maybe a little bit of spirited driving. I'm still going for the 1" drop but the rims I want come also in 20x8.5 +35 offset. If I mount 225/35/20s I'll be in the same proportions of stock except the rim will stick out 22.5mm more than stock. Only way to overcome that is to roll the fenders, which I am seriously debating on doing. What do you guys think?

i thought about 225 tires... I don't think you'll like em! To have only 10mm wider tires... I hate the way the 215mm stock tires drive, another 10mm just wasn't gonna be enough for me... also, when I put the 225 tires up against the rim, I saw that it was gonna look wierd, the rim looks smaller than the tire! 225mm = 8.85" vs 8.5" tire

[rjdmmfl1]

but you all do know that the car will perform better. This is because it is fwd and when we hit the gas not as much weight will go to the rear, our drive tires will have more traction, there will be less wheel spin.

umm, yeah, we all know that, but at what cost... better performance at the expense of a hole in the fender liner???

I have to be honest that I most likely will not be doing any canyon runs anytime in the near future. I merely drive the car back and forth form work and maybe a little bit of spirited driving. I'm still going for the 1" drop but the rims I want come also in 20x8.5 +35 offset. If I mount 225/35/20s I'll be in the same proportions of stock except the rim will stick out 22.5mm more than stock.

I think you missed the point I was making... if his rubbed with stock wheel and tires with spirited driving, what do you think will happen when your tires sticks out 22.5mm more than stock... then add the 1" drop !!!

How about this, I'll let you guys go ahead and drop your whips...then if it fits, I'll do the same..but right now, my instincts tell me that it will rub on the fender liner at angled turns with wider rims, offsets and tires!

[Alaron]

Well at least I wont have to feel all that guilty from pulling out of the drop craze anymore, especially with the lethal comments Doc and a few others made about my thinking about doing it with my wheel specs..

[adidas2go]

Im just going to cut out an equally sized hole on the right side and put a rubber gromment around the whole outline to make it look like stock brake cooler vents

[TheBourneAltimatum]

Im just going to cut out an equally sized hole on the right side and put a rubber gromment around the whole outline to make it look like stock brake cooler vents

are you sure you wanna do that...i thought your car was leased

[adidas2go]

Im buying out my lease... Even still to replace those guards is only $30 a piece. My lease is up in a year and a half...

[Serkle K]

There is a section of the road that is a 3/4 mile 10 degree right bank turn. I started the turn at 90 mph and ended at 110.

umm, yeah, we all know that, but at what cost... better performance at the expense of a hole in the fender liner???

I think you missed the point I was making... if his rubbed with stock wheel and tires with spirited driving, what do you think will happen when your tires sticks out 22.5mm more than stock... then add the 1" drop !!!

I'd hardly call that sptirited driving, especially in a canyon run, making a 10 degree right bank turn at those speeds... none the less I understand your cause for concern with your wheels though.... I say this only because again, a better/fully built suspension that's geared towards handling autoX and canyon runs wouldnt result in the rub (but I am open to the correction of my mistake, if I have made one) so if/when they become available, the drop will be more positive and effective then just a drop by/with springs

[rjdmmfl1]

Im buying out my lease... Even still to replace those guards is only $30 a piece. My lease is up in a year and a half...

Blake, I'm gonna try to get up to there sometime over the next few weeks... i really want to check out the drop in person, and see how the suspension holds up going over bumps... you mind meeting up? I'll contact you over email. We may as well invite the rest of the SOCAL crew, I'm sure everyone's dying to see this thing in person... it may help me to make a better decision!

[chrsmrk]

What does Eibach have to say? (about the rub)

There goes the group buy from Stillen?

[johnny_d]

Yo, Robert, Blake is coming down to OC in a couple weeks to Stillen. I was gonna meet up w/ him then to swap our heatshields. Perhaps we can meet up at that time?

[adidas2go]

Probably next week actually.

[johnny_d]

if it's saturday I'm packed the whole day, sunday i'm ok

[adidas2go]

probably during the week

[johnny_d]

doh, Stillen don't open on Sundays, what am i thinking. During the week I work up in Walnut by the 57 & 60. What time do you think you'll be down? I can get home like around 5-530.