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Hello fellow Nicoclub'ers,
Brace yourself, this is gonna be a long post. Some of you may remember me from when I was more active on the forums a few years back. I had a red 93' 2+2 Z back then with the gloss black mustache(I always mentioned it in posts).
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I got the car at age 15 and hopped right into working on it with my brother. Some of you may know him here too, his screen name is fattymcbaggins(lol). He's got a clean blue S13 hatch with a fully-running VQ35 swap.
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We were still working on that S13 when I got this Z, and for me all of it was a huge learning experience. That was in December 2009. I spent a good year fixing up the car, with all your usual Z32 issues...rough idle, missfires, bad EFI harness corrosion...you guys know. Then in February 2011 I decided it was time to move towards upgrades and not repairs. After much research between a TT swap and a VH45DE swap, I decided I liked the VH45 more for it's simplicity and lighter weight. Plus a fabricator friend of mine who worked down the street from my house at BEGi/Bell Engineering, a local performance shop, offered to do the fab work for free. So we fetched a $200 junkyard special VH45DE to swap in:
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Well, that never happened...first off, my autotragic died a few months or so after I got the motor. So the money I saved for that ended up going towards a 5spd swap on the car, along with some miscellaneous parts like the 94+ spoiler...
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Looks great on a 2+2, imo. Anyhow, in November 2011, by the time I'd finished the 5spd swap(remember I was 17 and still learning the basics!), my fabricator friend was gone and the VH45DE swap seemed a distant prospect. I loved my 5spd N/A's fun-to-drive characteristics but still just wanted more power. Plus, I'd torn the motor down and deemed it in need of a rebuild-which I couldn't afford. A TT swap would have cost just as much as the VH45 swap and rebuild. So after some months spent perfecting my Z as it was, I decided to call the 450ZX project a failure and sell my N/A for a TT...
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I got the TT in Waco, just a few hours north of me. It had a straight body and only 80K miles, and it was for sale at $4500! It'd even been in Waco since it was sold on April 19th, 1990. Yeah, a Z32 doesn't exist in the world without a drawback and this time it was rod knock. Confident I could fix it after my experience with my N/A, I grabbed the car and tore it apart.
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I just had to add my signature glossy mustache to cover up that fugly faded urethane:
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Z's being expensive, it was hard to afford a TT build when you work at Valvoline Express Care. Luckily enough, a buddy of mine managed to get me a job at BEGi/Bell Engineering, the same company my VH45DE free-fabricating buddy worked at. After a few weeks an idea hit me. All this time my VG30DETT build was going on, I still had that VH45DE sitting in my garage, doing absolutely nothing but being a massive display piece(A pretty one at that).
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And my Z32 was also just sitting there, no motor in the bay, waiting on everything from Wiseco pistons to a new EFI harness(REPLACE IT IF YOUR MOTOR IS OUT!!!!). So I put the two together and went to my boss, Corky Bell, and asked for approval to design and market a 450ZX Swap Kit. Corky's a big fan of Nissans, having won numerous SCCA races with his Datsun Roadster and Datsun 510 back in the 60's and 70's.
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Apparently he was even invited to one of the first unveilings' of the Z32 in Dallas back in 1989. So naturally he agreed and a few weeks later my Z was on the lift at BEGi with a VH45DE in it.
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So there you have it, the story of how a Z32 enthusiast started off learning how to work on cars and is ending up making parts for them. Right now we're almost done with the motor mount design, and once that's done we're going to move on towards making the prototype set of longtube headers. We're trying to spread the word and let people know we'll be offering a FULL KIT for this swap-from the headers, motor mounts, A/C and power steering lines, even a wiring harness service if you're shy on that factor. Best of all you don't have to get a different oil pan-contrary to popular thinking, the stock VH45DE oil pan fits just fine. Right now I'm working overtime to get this out on the market sooner rather than later, and we'd like to have it out by October or November.
For those of you who remember helping me with some questions I had a few years back, let me say I'm honored to have this as a way to give back to the Z32 community that has done so much for me. Thanks for reading, and I'll keep you guys updated.
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Wow, you have accomplished more at your age than some twice that. Very impressed. So is your car still nearing completion or is it running/fully functional now?

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Very nice Jeff, very nice indeed!!! If you get this thing up and running sooner than later I'd love to see it before I leave for OZ.

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The TT will be running with the VG30DETT around October, and the VH45DE swap kits should be available right after that. I can't wait to finally have a Z32 back, it's been since March that I've driven one...having withdrawal here!!! As for current status, I'm waiting on some powdercoating to come back along with an engine gasket set. I installed the rotating assy. last week, glad I chose to assemble it myself because it wasn't that hard(Follow the FSM and be CLEAN and CAREFUL) and it saved me almost $500. The VG30DETT build isn't in a rush at all though, I'd rather take it slow...besides, that gives me more time to work on the VH45DE swap parts.

EDIT: Oh, and here's a teaser for our VH45DE Swap Kit motor mounts:
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Just finished these babies up in Solidworks. Note this isn't the final design down to the details, but it's what it will look like for the most part. With the poly bushing and all, each one weighs only 2.6lbs :)

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Twin turbo the VH45 :D

welcome back, didn't know you before, but good to see ya now! Good luck on the build!

P.S. z withdrawal sucks. 2 years this september for me :/

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Damn very nice! Keep it up.

Post a vid when you get it running!

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Welcome back! Been a long time since seeing your username pop up lol. Hard to tell from that pic posted does the vh45 clear the hood?

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Welcome back, and cool stuff!
GL with your kit, sounds like it should be pretty legit.

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Z-owned wrote:Welcome back! Been a long time since seeing your username pop up lol. Hard to tell from that pic posted does the vh45 clear the hood?
I know, it's been a while! I'm glad to be back, after I got my first job working at Autozone I just lost the free time to post on here like I had.

Unfortunately, no, but the stock oil pan does clear the crossmember and A/C fits wonderfully! Haha, there is no way to make the stock intake manifold fit under the hood without lowering the crossmember, which isn't a good solution by any means. If we find a good market in VH45DE and other Nissan services(which I think we will, personally), I'd like to offer a low-profile intake manifold that would fit under the hood of the Z32 and the S-chassis cars. Though, I do like the hood scoop this guy has on his 450ZX: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksRhjw3uFqE

Thanks for all the interest and the compliments. I'm glad to get them, I haven't even started class yet(starting sping semester for mechanical engineering) and I think I can say I've gotten pretty good at Solidworks :gapteeth: It must run in the blood, my father is an aerospace engineer himself.

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NolimitZ32 wrote:Very nice Jeff, very nice indeed!!! If you get this thing up and running sooner than later I'd love to see it before I leave for OZ.
I dunno when you're leaving, but we will have our actual 450ZX shop car up and running by Nismo Fiesta 2013(Gotta rep our local Z club, ZSport of San Antonio). That's in April 2013, all you Texas guys better come! It was badass in 2012, my brother's VQ S13 drew crowds when it was on the dyno.

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Sadly/Happily I'm leaving in a little over a month. Mechanical engineering is a great choice. I think you'll do well since you have mechanically inclined brain (pretty obvious) I may be back down in 2013 to visit and if it happens to fall on the right date I may make it out. GL in school and with this kit.

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Update time!
We finished up the VH45DE motor mount design today, and I'm working on making a prototype this evening. I've been working mondo overtime off the clock trying to get this kit finished properly before I put the VG30DETT back in next month.
Once the motor mounts are done, the biggest challenge we face is building a set of headers-the stock VH45DE ones do not fit in the Z32(unless you were to cut the crossmember up, or raise the motor about .5"). Since we discovered you DON'T need to make an oil pan for the swap, we can offer headers instead for a slightly higher price-but a power adder trumps a part just needed to make it fit, I think!
In other VH45DE news, I grabbed a spare GT30 we had lying around the shop to see how much space there is for twin turbos. The drivers side will be a VERY tight fit with the steering column, but I did solve the clearance issue with the intercooler piping...there is a good 2" of space behind the VH45DE to fit a liquid-to-air intercooler, feeding the intake manifold from the rear instead of the front of the motor. No problem, since the VH45DE would need a new intake manifold designed for forced-induction(and that clears the hood, too). Now that I know they'll fit without cutting up the wheel wells and tossing them up front, I'm pretty sure this will be my project for next year! So if anyone wants to sell an N/A shell in 6 months...let me know... :crazy:
As far as my VG30DETT build goes, I got my piston circlips in from Wiseco...those things are a b**** to install, and needless to say I had one halfway-seated in the groove on the piston before it popped out and flew across the shop...right across to the floor under Corky's workbench...which is littered with little bits of scrap metal. And since Wiseco doesn't package any extras, I had to special order some from Summit. :facepalm:
I got all my parts back from the powdercoater today as well, and man they look great! They did mess up my order; ALL my parts got coated red instead of some being coated black. Oh well I figured, I didn't want to wait; besides, I was going with the exact same color scheme on my old N/A and I figured it'd just mix it up a bit. I ordered my gasket set today as well, so as soon as it arrives I can fully assemble my longblock. I already got a set of ARP head studs from Z1(if you're building an FI motor, don't ever use head bolts-the head is under alot more pressure than on an N/A motor).
After I get my longblock assembled it'll be sitting for a few weeks. First things first, I gotta save up for a few random tidbits like an EFI harness before the engine can even go in; and a battery and a bigger radiator before it'll even be driveable. Second, I need to wrap up the 450ZX kit before the motor goes back in, and I'm having Z withdrawal so I'd rather not wait if I don't have to! Having said that, I also don't plan on half-assing the 450ZX stuff either...if the VG30DETT install has to wait for the 450ZX kit, it will. Anyways, I gotta grab my camera from my house, then i'll update the thread with a good ol', 56K-killing photodump. Thanks for reading guys! :)

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Can't wait for the photo dump. Here is a solution to the forced induction. Single turbo rear mount FTW.

-You won't need a intercooler because the air will be cooled down enough by the time it gets up to the front of the car.

-The sound :drool:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRT-HpLC2Iw[/youtube]

I have a 93 S13 hatch that i'll put a VH45 into i'll get it running then start doing some extensive research on rear mount setups and start fabbing it up. Of course I won't start on my 240sx at all until my Z is back on the road I miss her.

I'll post more tomorrow I need to get to bed.

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300ZXttZMAN wrote:Can't wait for the photo dump. Here is a solution to the forced induction. Single turbo rear mount FTW.
Single rear turbo is a good idea, but it won't be perfect, and it won't fit very well in a 2+0. I was planning on doing that after swapping my old 2+2 N/A, since there's more space in the back of the car. Single rear setups are something we will likely develop if this kit gets really popular, mainly because it'd be so incredibly simple to manufacture and install. The VH45DE intake plenum is even situated nicely for it.
Buuuut, it's not optimal. Being an engineer at heart, I'd rather go with the optimal, rear-engine mounted twin turbo setup over the simple rearmount. Why the complexity? Because if I'm going to add forced-induction to a VH45DE(or, VH47DETT?), it's gotta be better than a VG30DETT, with the same or better power output than a similarly built VG30DETT. That means I'd be at 800+ RWHP, and a single rear-mount turbo will simply NOT be as effective at those outputs as engine room twins, and there's not a clean way to fit rear twins either. Being the Nissan specialist at a well-respected, turbo-kit-engineering shop, I am even more preferential to the complicated setup since it would show off what we're capable of building. And who knows; maybe we'll sell that as the be-all-end-all Z32 power adder!
Besides, I figured out how to fit A/C with a VH45DETT setup...you will see in the coming months, that'll be the project once my DD-300ZX TT has new wheels and some more suspension goodies...probably May 2013 before I could even get another shell and motor. Anyways, I just fetched my camera, lemme take some pics and do that photodump!

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300ZXttZMAN wrote: I have a 93 S13 hatch that i'll put a VH45 into i'll get it running then start doing some extensive research on rear mount setups and start fabbing it up.
Keep me posted on the VH-S13 swap! We might pull the VQ35 out of my brother's S13 this October, and I guarantee you we will be making a version of our mounts for the S13 if I get the chance. Mazworks does already make them, yes; but quite frankly, our design is lighter, prettier, AND cheaper!

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Well I guess this has turned into a bit of a build thread, haha. Makes me regret loosing touch with the forums, otherwise I'd already have one!
Anyways, I got my motor all mocked up with the parts from the powdercoater. The lower timing belt cover was supposed to be black along with the balance tube, but they messed it up...oh well, I don't care enough to complain. I still have to repaint the upper timing covers, not sure whether it'd look good to keep them red or do black...suggestions?

I got the crank installed, but I haven't had a chance to get the rest of the rotating assy. installed since I got those piston circlips from Wiseco. I'll probably assemble it all together once I get the gasket set. I still have to finish cleaning up the oil pan, it's almost spotless but I'm not comfortable with it quite yet...not after it collected all the metal from my spun bearing. Sorry, but I didn't take pics after I installed the crank...I will be sure and document it with pictures though, I'd like to make a how-to thread on engine assembly.
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I got a great deal on a lightly used(~10K) Centerforce performance clutch off the Z32 Marketplace group on Facebook. The last owner had a 4 puck clutch installed...not street-driveable. Whatsoever. (it's for sale, btw! just don't expect it to be...street driveable lol)
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The last owner at least did me one favor...he already had the heads rebuilt with a port and polish!
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Oh, and I went ahead and hung some of the new pistons on the conrods, man do those Wisecos look good!
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That's pretty much it as far as the VG30DETT build goes, and personally I'm way more excited to talk about the VH45DE kit! You simply can't go wrong with bigger displacement and 100lbs off the front axle, especially when it's another Nissan motor! Here are some pics showing the area I think will house twin turbos:
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Obviously for the passenger side, I'd have to grind out the Z's bellhousing and use the VH's block-mounted starter. For the drivers side, it just needs to be clocked and mounted in juuuuuust the right spot...
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There's plenty of space behind the motor for a liquid-to-air intercooler, and definitely a way to make the system cross-flow like the VG30DETT's-where one turbocharger feeds the opposite bank of cylinders, promoting a balanced system.
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In more relevant news, here's a pic showing the space for the factory A/C compressor. I already have a good idea on how to route the A/C hoses, which we will supply in the kit if you want the A/C option.
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And as you can clearly see in the picture above, enough of the motor sits forward of the crossmember for the stock front-sump oil pan to fit. It'd be in the picture, buuuuut I'm not quite done with the actual prototype motor mount yet...so the motor is stuck on those wooden blocks for the time being.

I'm tired, and if I wanna get any sleep I need to leave the shop and go home...good thing I live 5mins away! Tomorrow I'll add some pics and info on what I did to my suspension. While mainly my DD, it's secondary purpose is autocross-eventually I'd like to race it in SCCA Pro-Solo. And as your other autox'ers know, every course has a slalom. Part of the reason I got a TT is because, after much research on the topic, I decided I wanted Super-HICAS. From what I gathered, Super-HICAS is really only beneficial in a slalom situation/lane change. I mean, a stock TT will do 67mph in the slalom. IIRC, a new GT-R with AWD and 550hp does 75mph. So you can see it does have at least one advantage! In my next update I'll show you guys what I did with my suspension overhaul to (theoretically) optimize one of the two problems with Super HICAS, the lack of feedback and response from the system. The other problem is the weight, but hey, I'm a skinny guy by enough to offset that extra weight!

Oh, on an ending note...I loved my 2+2 so much, and I still prefer how the longer wheelbase of the 2+2 makes it more stable at higher speeds. Plus, it was a truly practical DD thanks to those extra seats! I don't know yet if I can say the same for my 2-seater TT. But, I can say one thing...my 2+0 has one sexy, curvy rear end!
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jedijeff123 wrote:
300ZXttZMAN wrote: I have a 93 S13 hatch that i'll put a VH45 into i'll get it running then start doing some extensive research on rear mount setups and start fabbing it up.
Keep me posted on the VH-S13 swap! We might pull the VQ35 out of my brother's S13 this October, and I guarantee you we will be making a version of our mounts for the S13 if I get the chance. Mazworks does already make them,; but quite frankly, our design is lighter, prettier, AND cheaper!
Exactly what I'm screaming!

I would rather buy from a Niconaut.

Don't worry I'll let everyoen know about the schassis build when I start it. I'm liking the way this thread is coming along.

I'm going to try and remind myself to add this thread to the Sticky at the top of the Z32 section that has a compilation of Z32 build threads.

If Tony/Aaron don't beat me to it I'll do it when I get to my desktop/laptop. :bigthumb:

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300ZXttZMAN wrote:
I'm going to try and remind myself to add this thread to the Sticky at the top of the Z32 section that has a compilation of Z32 build threads.

If Tony/Aaron don't beat me to it I'll do it when I get to my desktop/laptop. :bigthumb:
Thanks a ton! I got off the phone with Shanna at Z1 earlier, and looks like I got a 'sponsorship' on some of my parts for the VG30DETT build! Since they're clearly the leaders in the Z32 aftermarket, I've always used them for my parts orders. I'm pretty excited, because that means I can toss money at some fancy footwork on this Z sooner! :naughty: There's been alot of support from the community for our VH45 stuff too, so needless to say I'm very thankful for everything that's unfolded these last few weeks.

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Oh man..You work for Corky Bell..I am so jelous.

Assuming he is the same Corky Bell that wrote the book: Maximum Boost. The man is a genious and to have the oppurtunity to work with him is a blessing. Use this blessing to make the most, and learn the most. Im intersted in a VH swap as well (or an LS) as my VGTT has alot of bad noises coming from it (Rod knock and lifter tick) and sice the VG is so insanely expensive to rebuild/mod il rather swap in a V8 of some sort.

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skywhine wrote:Oh man..You work for Corky Bell..I am so jelous.

Assuming he is the same Corky Bell that wrote the book: Maximum Boost.
It sure is! I'd already read his book when I came in to have some bushings pressed out at the shop, and when he offered the job I just about wee'd myself. I'm trying to soak up as much knowledge as I can :yesnod

Anyways, it was a busy week at the shop and I didn't get any free time to do that suspension post. Today I'm gonna assemble the rest of the shortblock so it'll be update time.

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So what's the deal on you or your shop producing and providing a vh swap kit for the z32? I'm highly interested as my vg needs rebuilt and I've got about $5000 worth of parts to by and that's only for a mild builds. The car is going to be a racecar so I need power and reliability. Which I believe the vh could accomplish.

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skywhine wrote:So what's the deal on you or your shop producing and providing a vh swap kit for the z32? I'm highly interested as my vg needs rebuilt and I've got about $5000 worth of parts to by and that's only for a mild builds. The car is going to be a racecar so I need power and reliability. Which I believe the vh could accomplish.
For $5000, you could have a fully running VH45DE swap along with some bolt-on upgrades(Mazworx cams, we could make you a custom lightweight pulley, etc) and be putting down the same power as a Twin Turbo swap but with the same (if not better) reliability and a much easier to work on setup. Plus you're removing 100lbs off the front axle(especially handy since 2+0's are front heavy) while retaining the same center of gravity(block is lower than the VG block, but the 90 degree layout lowers the height of the cylinder heads/top of block). It's win-win for a track car, and it's why my future track racer will be a VH47DETT-powered Z32.

For those wondering about the 'easier to work on' mantra I push, the VH45DE has about as much clearance between the cam covers and the strut towers as the VG30DE/TT has between the plenum and strut towers. Then you add on the MUCH simpler layout(ie, no plenum pulls to replace injectors) and I think the case has been made. Not to mention, for the same power output as a VG30DETT, you're looking at something that's, mechanically, MUCH simpler...no piping, intercoolers and no turbochargers to get in the way of everything. I was astonished at just how much harder my TT was to work on than my N/A...it was near impossible to remove my oil pan with the motor in! I had to bend the upper edge to get it to clear a bracket. It's just ridiculous!

EDIT: I'd rather not get in trouble with the mods for well, advertising this swap and our kit on here. So if you're interested in buying one when it comes out, or you'd like more information, either PM me or e-mail me at [email protected].

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jeff, i wish you the best of luck with your business and all other endeavors, you seem like a really nice guy.

that being said, you might want to educate yourself on the company that you're hyping.

ANYBODY who knows anything about the z scene or game, knows what a shady company z1 is.

they are the walmart of z vendors, selling cheap crap, which works spectacularly because most of the z owners nowadays are cheap kids.

they are the company that introduced ams (of canada) to the USA market through their partnership.

i understand you're sponsored by them now, funny but if they are such a great company in your opinion, why didn't you hype them up before? that's not important.

why doesn't specialtyz, or ipp, or zspeedperformance sell ams, alloy toyz, and all that other crap? that is a fact.

what exactly has z1 "innovated"? they're not exactly BDE. their intercoolers, driveshaft, and FUCAs? but they're also known to copy other companies' products, which has been DOCUMENTED:

http://www.twinturbo.net/nissan/300zx/f ... these.html
http://www.twinturbo.net/nissan/300zx/f ... glory.html

again, you're free to have your own opinions, but you also might want to get the facts straight.

other examples of their poor worksmanship:

http://www.twinturbo.net/nissan/300zx/f ... RANTY.html
http://www.twinturbo.net/nissan/300zx/f ... ience.html

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Car: 1993 Ultra Red 300ZX N/A 2+2(SOLD), 1990 Aztec Red 300ZX Twin Turbo(Temporarily providing a home for a VH45DE)
Location: San Antonio, TX

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Vulcanrush, I remember you. I remember thinking that you acted like you knew everything, and were quite vocal in voicing your infinite know-how. You still do!
I know plenty about Z1, I've been living and breathing Z32 since I got into cars four years ago.I haven't always been an active poster on the forums, but I have ALWAYS lurked and gathered information.
Having said that, I won't go in-depth on my views on capitalism and free enterprise, as I could fill a book on my views on the topic. Z1 is, yes, the Wal-Mart of Z parts. Now, what would you do without Wal-Mart, Target, or other large retail stores? You'd have to pay more money to get the same things at different outlets. Wal-Mart is good for the economy. Z1 is good for the Z32 aftermarket. While they make most of their money on the newer Z's and G's, they have shown a strong commitment to the Z32. I have that same commitment, which is why I am here at BEGi working late nights and weekends to get the VH kit done quickly and done properly. You called me a nice guy, and thank you. I'll simply say that I'm not perfect, but I strive to be a just and knowledgeable individual. But all the guys I know at Z1 are super nice guys, and from what you've posted, that would mean my business will be flawless in everything we do for customers.

You'd be naive to assume Z1 makes all their parts there; they're not a fabrication shop; they're a retailer, service center and product developer. I understand that because at BEGi we are, we do it all-from cutting out the pieces, to shipping them to you. And, it's hard to make a profit off your kits if everything is hand-fabbed here at the shop. That's why the VH45 parts are largely CNC-waterjet cut, to save us time and money that we can pass on to you. I trust the CNC cutting shop to deliver quality parts. BUT, they're not perfect-nobody is. While Z1 and I both design the parts in-house, we're not in control of the quality. They get their aftermarket clutches from a clutch manufacturer. We get out flanges and cut plates from a CNC shop, then weld together headers and motor mounts. Don't be foolish by placing blame for problems on who looks like the obvious perpetrator-besides, why have we had to go in-depth here on who's to blame?
Because, it makes them loose business. Forums and the internet make communication easy-but people aren't perfect, and for most people the first place to go is the forums where a negative post can easily damage business. I've called Z1 numerous times. They're good, nice people and are happy to fix your problem. After all, they're the Wal-Mart of Z32's...so they're small enough to hire people who aren't inherently angry.
I've worked at Autozone, Valvoline Express Care, and now BEGi. What I've learned regarding customer service, is that most of the time, the business is willing to kindly help fix whatever problem may exist. The problem lies more with customers who would rather be angry and get attention from that fact. People...gotta deal with them rightly to coexist with them!:rolleyes:
EDIT: Vulcanrush, I'm only 18. I can be a 'cheap kid' sometimes, but I've always understood that quality means cost; and vice versa. But I've learned from my mistakes, and now I buy quality parts where it matters. I mean, I'm getting an Ebay radiator for my TT-but I'm also a fabricator who will leak-check the unit and touch up any weak welds.


For everyone who's not into reading long posts, let me sum up my post in one sentence-
When you're presented with a problem, THINK before resorting to angry bashing or recorded(internet) complaints.


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