I have to go to a state refree!!!!!:(

[240sx beast]

So i got a fix up ticket and it say s i have to go to a state refree for emissions stuff....What do I do?????? Any suggestions or helpful hints??? Or experiences u guys can share???? Is there a fine I can pay and get this over with??

[sonnys240]

a friend who works at emission here in phoenix told me that the state referee here in AZ all they do is double check that you all of your emission equipments under the hood is properly connected to where is shoud be (like factory spec) and that your smog is in range. make sure that everything emission is still there and hook up ie:

Catalytic converterAir injection sytemPcv systemEgr systemEvaporative CanisterETC...

They have a book on all cars and what equipments that car requires. make sure you do not remove anything until your car pass emission.

This is only AZ emission. hope this give u an idea of what to expect.

[240sx beast]

Dam...I have a Garrett T3/T4 Turbo with a Spearco Intercooler, 3" down-pipe, Fuel Managment Stand Alone System, Tech 3 ECU, SVT differentials, Upgraded cams, Nismo Pistons, rings, rods, Venom Fuel rail.....Can I just declare it as a Off-roading vehicle or as a show car?????????????

[sonnys240]

i don't know about CA but here in AZ i know certain vehicles are register as a reconstrution vehicle and these "recon" vehicles have a easier time passing emssion. all it have to do is pass the smog and the gas cap test and that's it. "Recon" are vehicles that has been total, restore, and a has new VIN number. Check your CA emssion standard.

[NISTECH]

if you register it as a show car you can not drive it more then so many miles a year as verified by DMV. If you ever get caught driving it on the road you get a heafty fine, since you got a ticket driving on public streets you are commited to taking it to the refferee which will not pass the vehicle since none of the parts you have on it are ARB approved. california smog laws suck and most city and hiway officers are trained to look for emission components and difernciate between what appears added on and what is not. The trick to getting around geeting sent to the refferee by the cops is to make your work look almost factory and not have flashy components under the hood that make it look altered but that is done before you get nailed as you just did.

[Q45tech]

Be really nice and suck up as the fine can be up to $10,000. http://www.arb.ca.gov/regact/afteroff/afteroff.htm

"The state board may collect a civil penalty not to exceed onethousand five hundred dollars ($1,500) for "EACH" violation of Section27156 of the Vehicle Code. Any penalties shall be paid to theTreasurer for deposit in the Air Pollution Control Fund. (c) The civilpenalty specified in subdivision (b) may be collected for one or moreviolations involving the tampering with or disabling of agasoline-powered vehicle's air injection, exhaust gas recirculation,crankcase ventilation, fuel injection, carburetion, ignition timing,or evaporative control system, fuel filler neck restrictor, oxygensensor or related electronic controls, or catalytic converter, or forthe use of leaded fuel in a vehicle certified for the use of unleadedfuel only. "http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-...rieve"

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-...ts=20

Then there are the Federal fines and mandantory jail time for emission tampering. Never enforced except against shops who do the work.........repeat offenders.

You might turn states evidence and help them nail the people who installed your illegal equipment.

At the worst you must return everything to {OEM} with brand new parts.

[C-Kwik]

The best way....put your stock stuff back in...pass the inspection, put the fun stuff back in. Cops will have limited training at best and can not determine what is illegal and what is not for the purposes of enforcement(which is why you have to see a referee). Referees know what they are doing and are knowledgable about cars. I doubt you'll be able to pull a fast one on them.

[240sx beast]

NISTECH if you register it as a show car you can not drive it more then so many miles a year as verified by DMV.

So if i register it as a show car, I will have a certain amount of miles that i can drive on the streets.. so if I disconnect the odometer, i can drive when ever and since i work at a dealer, if i get pulled over while going to work , i can just say im taking it to get fixed or checked at the dealer....I guess this might work.

[PalmerWMD]

240:

If you manage to re-register it I have heard of few cases where they ever checked milages..

Otherwise You might be faced with an expensive reinstall.

Fred..

[NISTECH]

NISTECH if you register it as a show car you can not drive it more then so many miles a year as verified by DMV.

So if i register it as a show car, I will have a certain amount of miles that i can drive on the streets.. so if I disconnect the odometer, i can drive when ever and since i work at a dealer, if i get pulled over while going to work , i can just say im taking it to get fixed or checked at the dealer....I guess this might work.

You are not permitted to drive it on public streets. except when the streets are blocked off for the show in which the car is being demonstrated in. You are at the point now where you have no choice but to take your car to the ref since you already got caught. Only after you resolve this can you register it as a show vehicle. You are basically stuck. you need to put your factory equipment back on that car and have it inspected and cleared. The refferee station has licensed smog techs that look at your car. these guys have the same training I do when it comes to california smog laws. They will recognize any non compliant equipment. that means any wolf ECM equipment, any aftermarket exhuast between the engine and cat,cold air intake is ok as long as the original sensor equipment is in place and functioning. Your cam they cant see that can slide they are not permitted to disassemble your car in anyway.so as long as it will pipe test ok with the cam in there you will probably be ok as far as that goes. your turbo will definitly have to go cause there are no EO# for turbos on 240's everything has to go back to stock except what I mentioned about the CAI. And no 2.0L has a EO# in the 240.

[240sx beast]

What if i get it smoged and passed at a smog station, and take the smog test to the judge, may that work???

If not..im just going to say its a recon or is no longer working....

[C-Kwik]

NO...it is required that the Referee sees the vehicle personally.

[NISTECH]

If not..im just going to say its a recon or is no longer working....

If you do this you can never drive it on the street again cause if you get caught they can impound your vehicle.

[240sx beast]

What if I say i bought the car like that already???

[s13sr20chris]

that would get the ball rolling to have someones head. it would prob be yours in the end. i hate to capitalize on your misfortune but you could just sell it to me:)im sorry i could not resist as it sounds like you have a really nice setup on your car. get a junk parts car. swap the powertrain(all of it) and go to the station.

[NISTECH]

Call DMV and ask them what your options are with this ticket. Dont BS them be upfront and honest with them. Tell them the condition of the car and the money you have invested in making the car show quality. Remember these people are not car buffs so dont start dropping the names of the parts or even what they are cause they will be completely clueless. Just let them know dollar amounts you have invested and that the car is show quality. Then ask them what your options are and to define what it means for each option. They may reffer your to the BAR or ARB for additional info. This is your best bet. The people at DMV are not the gostopo. They will as helpful as they can to you. Now if you get reffered to the BAR I have found when I call them about issues with my smog license they can be unfreindly pricks. so you may encounter a bit of harshness from them. But key is dont BS any of them.

[Q45tech]

Not clear what HOW MUCH YOU SPENT to violate the laws has to do with your punishment.......that just negates any poverty plea.

And anyone feeling sorry for you and cutting you a break as the policeman did by not impounding your car on the spot!

If in fact you purchased the car completely [didn't do or pay for the mods after the purchase date] in violation of state laws [emission certificate necessary to transfer title] you have legal recourse to go against the seller and roll back the transaction!Less any miles [at a fee -you have driven].

Sell the car ASAP out of state, is the easiest proceedure and pay a fine for your actions in California............but you will still be liable for the car in some states.

[C-Kwik]

What if I say i bought the car like that already???

If you knowingly bought it this way, then you really don't have much ground to stand on. Ignorance is rarely a good defense.

[Q45tech]

But state law allows you to go back to seller. Emission tampering fraud supercedes [voids] the contract because it had to have a valid emission test and CORRECT emission system for the sale to be valid in the first place.

Kindy of tricky and unethical but the person who did the work is the responsible party............proof is another matter.

People do not realize they are responsible forever when they modify a car, selling it doesn't let you escape!

[s13sr20chris]

whew, california sure has gotten crazy.

[NISTECH]

you dont know the half of it,thats why they are known as "The smog nazi's"

240SXbeast: As you can see there are differing opinions here due to us being unclear on weather or not you bought the car that way. I dont think you did and this is why I told you to call DMV to find out what your options are to handling it since it seems you dont want to convert it back to stock. You are NOT going to get out of the fact you got popped thats a definite, if you desire to keep all the components on the car they will likely tell you you have to pay a fine and do one of your registration options as far as show car or off road vehicle but in any case if you intend on keeping the equipment on your car you will not be permitted to drive it on public streets.

Now to follow up what dennis [Q45 tech] If you did infact buy it that way they will want to know the name and address of the person who sold it to you as well as the smog shop that performed the smog for transfer of ownership as it will be shut down or heavily fined and the technician will likely be arrested for fraud[happens alot more then you think] but even if you go through all that you will still need to fix the car or get your money back from the seller and return the vehicle to him.

There is no way you are keeping the car in its current state and being able to drive it on public streets,that will not happen.

[240sx beast]

One of my GF said that i should sell it to a friend for like a Dollar....then show them the bill of sale... if this does not work...imma buy some ****ty stock engine ...swap it in...go to the smog natzis...then put my mod engine back in...