I have solved the soulution for creating new jobs and stiring the economy!

[smockers83]

Yeah, I figured it out as I typed my last post. That's what my last paragraph was about, the whole $1000 charge plus taxes.

[audtatious]

Realize that the reason illegals get paid less is because of their status. Once you have done something to legalize them they will no longer work for such less pay as their employment would fall under US guidelines. At that point, prices still go up to the US public regardless.

Quote »Thats 12 billion the US needs[/quote]Do that twice and you are only 8 billion shy of paying for Pelosi's marsh mouse program.

12 billion is a drop in the bucket compared to the costs.

[joker350gt]

Yeah, I figured it out as I typed my last post. That's what my last paragraph was about, the whole $1000 charge plus taxes.

yeah but what the dude before you said was right also they would fall under US employment guildlines thats why i just created the idea and let the politicans do the find print

[joker350gt]

Realize that the reason illegals get paid less is because of their status. Once you have done something to legalize them they will no longer work for such less pay as their employment would fall under US guidelines. At that point, prices still go up to the US public regardless.

Do that twice and you are only 8 billion shy of paying for Pelosi's marsh mouse program.

12 billion is a drop in the bucket compared to the costs.

yeah thats true thats why the big heads at washinton should do the fine print lol

we can only dream

o yeah im mexican by the way

[Logan76]

I'm by no means an educated person in politics or economics, but I hear on the radio and from people all the time "Unions ruined this nation" I hate when I hear that, Im part of a Union and we all bust our asses all the time. dont get me wrong some places arent that way, but most of the places I go work are union also and most of the time I see them working too, Do you want to take pay cuts? Do you want to have to benefits taken away? Having a union just protects the workers from greedy CEO's always looking to cut costs, I strongly dissagree with anyone saying that if Illegals were'nt here no one would be there willing to fill in their positions, Theres a local mushroom mine that has maybe 200+ illegals working there, they work for nothing, and Im willing to bet theres lots of people in this county (just poor western PA) that would take a job there instead of sitting at home on welfare or jobless.

[smockers83]

There are greedy CEOs just like there are greedy union bosses.

Not all unions are bad, however, some unions try to resist the nature of the economy when it starts to go south. They want to keep jobs, keep pay and benefits up, etc. whereas in the free labor market this wouldn't really be happening.

Would I say unions ruined the country? No, not the country. Certain industries, yes.

[audtatious]

o yeah im mexican by the way

If you are here legally or born here then there is no issue on my part at all. Let's not turn this into some racial thing.

Maybe you should be pissed off at what some people are doing to Mexicans, making extra buck off their backs due to their legal status.

[joker350gt]

If you are here legally or born here then there is no issue on my part at all. Let's not turn this into some racial thing.

Maybe you should be pissed off at what some people are doing to Mexicans, making extra buck off their backs due to their legal status.

born here but i just wanted to say i was just i case i came off wrong to someone so it didnt turn into those endless race threads that have no point

o and i am pissed but no sense in posting about those issues since everytime some one does it gets out of control

[CakeDaddy]

id rather pay 15 workers $5 an hour than $19.

Dont blame it all on the illegals, after all its the Americans that hire them.

How about they give them some type of 6 month pass and start collecting tax and instead of making them eligable for filling income tax they agree to fork over than income tax for another 6 month stay.

And charge a more to get into this counrty the right way.

Exactly!! Finally a point that can't be argued!! At last, someone with a noble idea that makes good sense and money for the country.

[joker350gt]

Exactly!! Finally a point that can't be argued!! At last, someone with a noble idea that makes good sense and money for the country.

Joker for president lol

well its a very simple idea. If it was a workable soulition then it be alot more complex, email your politican lol.

[audtatious]

Exactly!! Finally a point that can't be argued!! At last, someone with a noble idea that makes good sense and money for the country.

Sorry, two wrongs don't make a right and you really don't have much to say about the matter since you are abusing the system by underpaying wages due to their status in order simply line your pockets.

[CakeDaddy]

Joker for president lol

well its a very simple idea. If it was a workable soulition then it be alot more complex, email your politican lol.

Email sent and we salute your idea

Sorry, two wrongs don't make a right and you really don't have much to say about the matter since you are abusing the system by underpaying wages due to their status in order simply line your pockets.

did anyone hear that? Hmm never mind. It was me passing gas.

[audtatious]

did anyone hear that? Hmm never mind. It was me passing gas.

You sure that was not a queef?

[liquid_cool]

I'm by no means an educated person in politics or economics, but I hear on the radio and from people all the time "Unions ruined this nation" I hate when I hear that, Im part of a Union and we all bust our asses all the time. dont get me wrong some places arent that way, but most of the places I go work are union also and most of the time I see them working too, Do you want to take pay cuts? Do you want to have to benefits taken away? Having a union just protects the workers from greedy CEO's always looking to cut costs, I strongly dissagree with anyone saying that if Illegals were'nt here no one would be there willing to fill in their positions, Theres a local mushroom mine that has maybe 200+ illegals working there, they work for nothing, and Im willing to bet theres lots of people in this county (just poor western PA) that would take a job there instead of sitting at home on welfare or jobless.

the Unions started out as a grand idea..the utopian idea for the work force..but now they are so corrupt i see no use in joining one....allso...i see that no matter how hard ou work..you get the same union wage rate as someone not working as hard as you..so your not payed for your work ethics or advanced work skills..just for your rate under that trade..and here in vegas..if your union..your lucky if they work you 3 months out of the year..forget that..ill stay non-union..and work all year long.

[Logan76]

you made some good points liquid, I agree that unions are corrupt, the only good the union does for people anymore is keep the deadbeats from getting fired, but im still glad im part of one, it has its good and bad qualities.

[liquid_cool]

id rather pay 15 workers $5 an hour than $19.

Dont blame it all on the illegals, after all its the Americans that hire them.

How about they give them some type of 6 month pass and start collecting tax and instead of making them eligable for filling income tax they agree to fork over than income tax for another 6 month stay.

And charge a more to get into this counrty the right way.

i dont blame anyone for wanting to have a better life...the leagal way!..but un-documented work forces allso tax the economy in other ways by using social services that we the taxpayer pay for..take California as an example..they are 9 Billion bucks in the hole becouse of the amount of social services given to illegals -vs-the amount of Tax revenue gaind in kind....its a no win situation for tax funded state..the few working pay for the masses not working..eventually it will lead to destruction of local government and services and possibly worse..

.as for charging to get into the country, well there own counrtymen do that..3k is the latest price you pay the guys to get across..why do they pay this? becouse the little they make here they send home to there ranches to fund there satalite TV's and home expentions or "Shugar cain crops" like one of the guys i know...they have no intention of staying here..its all about grabin the mighty dallor and bailing town in 10 years to retire.

[smockers83]

the only good the union does for people anymore is keep the deadbeats from getting fired

Wait, that's a good thing? Why would any company want a deadbeat working for them when they could hire someone else who would be better? This, IMO, is where unions fail, and is only one aspect in the way I think they fail.