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Ok this might sound a bit overkill, but as far as I can tell, this has been tested and verified by the russians, and would work like a charm. Hit the well head with a tactical nuke. The nuke will liquify the bedrock, allowing it to plug the hole, and then almost instantly the cold ocean water will re-solidify the bedrock in place, problem solved. A tactical nuke does not have the yield of an atomic bomb, its a precise controlled yield, and should provide immediate results.


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what if we drove a pipe into the opening and sucked out the oil at a rate slightly faster than than it's currently flowing... keep doing this until that pocket of oil is depleted.. problem solved, little to no additional leakage into ocean, + we get all the damn oil.

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Anyone from the gulf got an opinion on the debacle down there?

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stebo0728 wrote:Ok this might sound a bit overkill, but as far as I can tell, this has been tested and verified by the russians, and would work like a charm. Hit the well head with a tactical nuke. The nuke will liquify the bedrock, allowing it to plug the hole, and then almost instantly the cold ocean water will re-solidify the bedrock in place, problem solved. A tactical nuke does not have the yield of an atomic bomb, its a precise controlled yield, and should provide immediate results.

:dblthumb: Your idea sounds a little better thought and advanced than BP's Wiley Coyote ACME techniques, but nuking our own water will never come across as being a solution. The idea of the nuke liquefies the bedrock & allowing it to plug the hole is good, but the long term affects of nukes in the waters will be devastating. With all the chemicals in those nukes, in 20 years from now we could have shrimp as large as an 8th grade boy, but I applaud your idea. I think the only hope we have is for a cat6 hurricane to come through and suck it all up and dump it over racist Alabama.

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http://mensa-barbie.blogspot.com/2010/0 ... olled.html

Actually it appears I misunderstood the process of this a bit. You dont fire the nuke as a warhead, and the detination, again according to Russian intelligence in the linked incident, is zero radiation. The procedure is to drill a well around 20k feet down, lower in the nuke, plug the shaft behind it with concrete or whatnot, then detonate. Watch the linked video, it is at the very least, worth consideration. The resevoir being tapped by the spewing well can be accessed later from a different well, so we wont lose all the oil with this procedure.

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How many times did the Russians try this?

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Well I dont know the answer to that, perhaps only this once, im not sure. The only thing I am thinking is they have begun drilling the relief wells, so I dont know how long it would take to drill the bomb hole for this, if it would be any quicker than the relief wells. If not then its a moot point. You can tell the people who put this little video together seemed to consider this measure comedic. It is worthy to note, the US is not a stranger to underground nuclear detonation. It is actually a member of the US arsenal but has not been used in combat yet. The detonation causes a depression in the landscape above it, very little if any radiation at all, but the disturbance in the landscape makes it inpassable. Since most warfare has been air bound or our troops doing the advancing, we havent had a need to employ this. The only unknown here if any, is how the resulting shockwave will react with the ocean above. Seems to me that since a depression is caused rather than a bulge, there would be no tsunami threat. Desperate times call for desperate measures they say, but I agree this should be approached with caution.

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They obviously tried it enough times to make giant lizards that like to eat Asians...

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Hey, border defense ... we could use that here ...

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A simple torpedo would work...but you won't see it happen. BP does not want to destroy the million $$ well head.

Here's the video of the Russian nuke: http://www.businessinsider.com/how-a-nu ... ell-2010-5

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UpStar wrote: I think the only hope we have is for a cat6 hurricane to come through and suck it all up and dump it over racist Alabama.
Your colossal ignorance never ceases to amaze me.

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Whats a cat6 hurricane, is that the mess of network wires in my back office?!? I wondered what you called that

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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/polit ... 93899.html

So, after signing onto "drill baby drill" Obama turns around and goes right back to our "fossil fuel addiction" stance. Guess 'ole buddy Gore is going to need some more Gov moniez after his wife takes half.

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Well u know everyone is talking about how much harder this thing is to fix because of the depth, and the rig is even named Deepwater Horizon, well why is everyone complaining about the fact that we were deepwater drilling when all the "tree huggers" (Im convinced Gore had an affair with a tree, thats why hes in the trouble hes in) wanted us to stop off shore, shallow water, drilling. Perhaps if not for that we might not have had this rig out there drilling so deep, i dunno.

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I'm not sure that the environmentalists meant, "Stop drilling only where we can see you!"

Although, on second thought, there were probably some NIMBY's that posed as environmentalists.

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Well true, really the NIMBY crowd is who i meant to direct my comment towards. Its funny because even the shallow drilling is not visible from the coast line, unless MAYBE a small reflective speck at high noon. We are an oil driven economy, we either get it ourselves, or pay the premium to get it elsewhere. Until we drop the oil habit (with something better of course) then we go no where, and plugging our own holes is silly, UNLESS - and I hove posited this theory on many occasions. If evidence we are unaware of shows that the Arabian oil supply is drying up, which I dont know either way on that, but if so, then economically it makes sense to finish draining the competition before opening your own reserves. Then we will have the corner on the market. I dont know that that is the case, but I have often pondered it. I am top dawg on kicking the oil habit. There has GOT to be a better energy source out there, we just havent found it yet, an arc reactor maybe lol. But until we figure it out, we just have to deal with what currently works best.

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Far be it from me to gloat, but does anyone who voted for this charlatan remember him (and his followers) REPEATEDLY slinging poo at Bush during his campaign for his supposed "mishandling" of the Hurricane Katrina disaster?

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Heard some good comentary on this today too AZ, law places responsibility for a catastrophe on our soil in the hands of the state where the catastrophe occurs. The US government provides support, foots the bill, but places control in the hands of the Governor of that state. On the other hand, this catastrophe off the coast falls under the jurisdiction of the executive branch of the US, the president. So people blasted Bush for responding in 4 days to a catastrophe that was not in his court, and who even cares that Obama took 12 to respond to something that falls in his own court. Quite strange how that is ....

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...yet not ONE PEEP from the mainstream media.

How effing convenient.

Nice POTUS you lefties picked. Maybe those who voted for him should apologize to us, and then go help clean up the mess.

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All the timelines I saw showed Obama taking action on Day 1.

Not to be a stick in the mud or anything...
beforeitsnews.com wrote:On April 20, 2010, at about 10 p.m., an explosion occurred on the Deepwater Horizon oil drilling rig in the Gulf of Mexico. There were 126 people on board at the time. Fifteen of those were injured and eleven died. The Deepwater Horizon, owned by Transocean Ltd., was under contract with BP to drill an exploratory well. BP was the lessee of the area in which the rig was operating. At the time of the explosion, BP and Transocean were in the process of temporarily closing the well, in anticipation of returning it to commercial production. Another company, Halliburton, had completed some cementing of casings in the well less than 24 hours prior to the accident. The Coast Guard responded to the explosion and fire.

The next day, on April 21, 2010, pursuant to the National Contingency Plan, the Administration named Rear Admiral Mary Landry as the Federal On-Scene Coordinator. A regional response team was established, including representatives of the Coast Guard, Department of Homeland Security (DHS), Department of Commerce (DOC)/National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), Department of the Interior (DOI) and the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), as well as state and local representatives. The regional response team began developing plans, providing technical advice and access to resources and equipment from its member agencies, and overseeing BP’s response.

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That nuke video is sweet. I've seen as many underground shots as I could find on google/youtube, and hadn't seen that little gem.

The oil leak is such a hardcore fail right now. This whole scenario gives me about zero hope for us trying to deal with an impact event any time in the near future. :ohno:

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IBCoupe wrote:All the timelines I saw showed Obama taking action on Day 1.
...and yet the people who are there are reporting that nothing's happened.

Hell, even AC360 (left-leaning) lambasted the Administration's inaction tonight.

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Are we drawing a distinction between inaction and ineffectiveness? Are they?

My question for critics remains: what more should the Administration be doing about the leak? What aren't they doing now that they ought to be?

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I dont expect much from large, bureaucratic institutions, so its probably why I'm not as outraged at BP and the federal government as I ought to be.

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I get soooo confused sometimes. People who want government to stay out of private businesses business argue that it was the governemnts repsonsbility to intervene and fix it. You don't get it both ways.

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bigbadberry3 wrote:I get soooo confused sometimes. People who want government to stay out of private businesses business argue that it was the governemnts repsonsbility to intervene and fix it. You don't get it both ways.
No it is the governments job to protect it people. Not point fingers and stay out of it. That is why there is testing for lead and such things. The government should step in when the its people are harmed.

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I don't care if the Gov steps in or the Corp steps up, just so long as everything is done and done with rapidity and urgency. I'm not a marine biologist nor educated in the methods of massive maritime disasters so I can't even begin to suggest we're not doing everything we can.

However, we put people on the moon a bit back iirc...why we can't close a leak coming from a single pipe is beyond me. What are we at, 40 days now? That's just a bit to long for me to believe that all possible measures are being taken.

That's just my opinion by the way...I'm not trying to state it as fact so certain people shouldn't get all emo :chuckle:

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WDRacing wrote:why we can't close a leak coming from a single pipe is beyond me. What are we at, 40 days now? That's just a bit to long for me to believe that all possible measures are being taken.
BP wants to suck up all that valuable oil. They invested billions of dollars into that rig, and now are trying to save the precious black gold.

The heads at BP probably told all of the federal oversight authorities that it was all under control , and that closing the hole would be a bad financial move for both BP but for gas/oil prices in the USA.

Why wait? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I can understand the gamble and why they did it... but damn they failed hardcore.

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It doesn't help that BP is under the direction of a clueless CEO that should have kept his mouth shut. It's people like him at the helm of big companies that demoralize the good workers below them and make people realize that idiots like this are reaping millions from the company for what?

http://www.nowpublic.com/environment/to ... 24196.html

The scenario will play out again in this case as it has so many other times. He'll get paid millions on the way out the door; he'll leave the remaining employees and stockholders holding the company's liabilities, responsibilities and lower value.

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srellim234 wrote:It doesn't help that BP is under the direction of a clueless CEO that should have kept his mouth shut. It's people like him at the helm of big companies that demoralize the good workers below them and make people realize that idiots like this are reaping millions from the company for what?

http://www.nowpublic.com/environment/to ... 24196.html

The scenario will play out again in this case as it has so many other times. He'll get paid millions on the way out the door; he'll leave the remaining employees and stockholders holding the company's liabilities, responsibilities and lower value.
Every large company, especially the size of BP, should have an independent ethics committee that evaluates the actions of management. In the employment contract you could have a poor ethics clause that basically strips you from making profit while the company goes down the drain directly because of your actions. That would atleast have CEO's and the like trying to make as much profit as possible, but actually being held accountable for their actions if they cross certain lines.

Zero accountability is a plague in the US IMHO. From unprepared parents to Corp CEO's, no one is held accountable anymore.


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