i got a new car.

Post by **Altiman94** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 3:10 pm

i know a new 5spd would be a good run, and I'm not gonna contest that, but a 95 (convertable none the less) wouldn't stand a chance.

Post by **Mr1der** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 3:10 pm

probably, don't think she went on about it being the fastest thing on the road either.

I don't think I'd race a V6 stang unless I had it under some boost, preferably a turbo. Damn parasitic belt driven superchargers...

Post by **Bubba1** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 3:10 pm

krazy skwerel wrote:I said it before and I'll say it again. I just want a good debate. I'm sure Bubba is gonna come up with some good points, I am looking forward to it. I am in no way brand loyal to anybody so this is great. :batman

Oh, thank you. I'll try. According to the 2002 Consumer Reports Annual auto issue that I dug out from my attic, the V-6 Mustang has "below average" reliability, "below average" owner satisfaction and "average" depreciation. Their ratings are compiled thru subscriber owner surveys. This is a much better source of info than an automag that accepts ad money from Ford or is more focused on 0-60 specs and horsepower ratings. CR wrote an interesting summary, which I completely agree with having driven several mustangs

"Though updated only modestly since it's 1999 freshening, this rather primitive rear driver continues to tally surprisingly strong sales. The base model's 3.8 liter V6 generates more noise than power. The 4.6 liter V-8's are much stronger and more in character with the car. Unfortunately only the top-of-the-line Cobra version gets an independant rear suspension. The manual transmission feels neither slick nor sporty. The front seats are not especially comfortable, and neither front seat scoots forward to allow for easy access to the rear..." A V-6 mustang is great car for a kid, who's enthusiasm and lack of experience clouds their judgement over their car's shortcomings.The V-6 Mustang is not a rolling wreck or a POS by any stretch. BUT! It's not sporty and it's not a particularly great handling car as compared other cars in its class.

Regards

Post by **jdmfreak** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 3:10 pm

Thank you. Just what I wanted. Good 1 Bubba.

Post by **Mr1der** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 3:10 pm

good lord, it doesn't have IRS...

the freakin base model MN12 T birds had that!

the new mach 1 surely boasts it though, think I'll do more reading...

I still love my 3-8 though! Well, until I have to get under the hood and do any work, Ford engineering can be asinine(thought my biggest problem is the IC pipes, they still do dumb crap though...), though Chevy isn't any better, did you know that on a '96 Monte Carlo Z34 it's required that you pull an axle to change an alternator?

pretty damn weak....

Post by **tl1000sga** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 3:10 pm

Dont V6 mustangs (newer ones) have 190hp? Dont they wiegh around 3600lbs.?

That does not add up to a car that could beat even a stock S14.The 3.8 fords were never known for there reliability or gas mileage, anyone that tries to argue that is obviously biased. I personally love all (almost) cars, but that doesn't stop me from seeing the disadvantages of them.

Everybody I know that has ever owned a V6 mustang has grown to hate them. A good friend of mine just bought a '95, and I'm eager to see how this pans out (he's a big time ford fan).

Post by **GirlRacerS14** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 3:10 pm

Thanks Altiman and JDMFreak. Yeah the 240sx weighs a hell of a lot less than a mustang and power isn't even a debate in this situation. Oh and MustangRose....if you don't believe it til you see it....then look in my sig and check out the pic I have posted of my engine. Can't miss the friggin turbo on there. It's the big, shiny, circle thingie on the right side. (in case you needed a lesson) And I haven't even begin to list my mods on here. I have the major things listed but that isn't even the tip of what I've done.

Oh and had you actually taken the time to read my initial post you would have seen I never said anything specifically about you or your car. I simply said that I don't like Mustangs and Hondas. End of story. But for the most part both are insanely slow and pieces of junk in my opinion. More so ford's on the junk part. And Mustangs to be even more specific. I don't have a problem with Ford trucks. Hondas are decent vehicles, I just don't want to own one and I don't like what most people do with them. Maybe since you own a Mustang now you should talk with mustang people on a mustang forum so you can learn more about mustangs. Like how slow they are. How often they break down. How much money in basic repairs you'll spend. How much time, effort and money you could spend to think about your car being fast but never getting there.

Now then. I don't particularly like to engage in petty arguements over the internet, much less with on the NICO boards with a kid like yourself, so I'm done. Enjoy your mustang, let us all know when it breaks down. We could probably set our watches by it. And quite honestly, I'm glad you bought a Stang....I would hate for a perfectly wonderful 240 to get into your grasps. That leaves one more out there for me to collect and build into a beast of a car to stomp more mustang ***.

GR

Post by **jdmfreak** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 3:10 pm

Damn GR thats rough.

Post by **GirlRacerS14** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 3:10 pm

Ya know, I hate to be mean and rude but I've had enough. And I'm typically not like that at all, ecspecially on here. I enjoy the fact that we all love cars and for the most part we're here because we love Nissans. Anyways, I'll stop there. It's nite nite time for this chickie.

GR

Post by **skydragoness** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 3:10 pm

Quote »Now then. I don't particularly like to engage in petty arguements over the internet, much less with on the NICO boards with a kid like yourself, so I'm done. Enjoy your mustang, let us all know when it breaks down. We could probably set our watches by it. And quite honestly, I'm glad you bought a Stang....I would hate for a perfectly wonderful 240 to get into your grasps. That leaves one more out there for me to collect and build into a beast of a car to stomp more mustang ***. [/quote]

:ylsuper my girl!!oh man, that brought a tear to my eye.

Post by **krazy skwerel** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 3:10 pm

I don't have the time for a rebutal, I will try and give one this evening.

Post by **Mr1der** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 3:10 pm

does everyone feel retarded yet? we are arguing on the internet, think I'll go find some applesauce to drool on my lobster bib:D

Post by **jdmfreak** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 3:10 pm

You go ahead and do that.

Post by **tl1000sga** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 3:10 pm

#1 ......Do you know any slow or special people?#2......Do you know any slow or special people?

#4......Do you know any slow or special people?

None? Not one?

#9......Do you know any slow or special people?

:freak

Post by **Mr1der** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 3:10 pm

I like clams and rocks!!

wooo and yoo hoo!!! yeah!!!

Post by **Nathan** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 3:10 pm

skydragoness5 wrote::my girl!!

Did this make anyone else think REALLY dirty for a second?

Post by **Mr1der** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 3:10 pm

more than a second man, way more than a second...

Post by **krazy skwerel** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 3:10 pm

I found this from consumer Guide, as I can't get onto consumer reports. Damn consumer reports charging money.

The first number is the v6 base model and the second is the GT. This is out of a 5 point scale. Also is for the 2002 model. http://auto.consumerguide.com/...22725

Road Test Ratings Base cpe, auto. GT conv, auto. Acceleration 5 7 V6 feels sprightly, especially with manual transmission. GT's V8 feels robust, but trails Camaro/Firebird V8 for all-out kick. We have not tested the 2003 Cobra. Fuel Economy 5 4 Manual-transmission GT test cars averaged 15.5 mpg. Expect slightly better with V6. Base and GT models use regular-grade fuel. Ride Quality 3 2 Mustang has a ride-comfort edge over Camaro/Firebird, though bad pavement comes through distinctly in the stiff-riding GT models. Steering/Handling/Braking 6 8 Plenty of lateral grip and good steering feel, but Base and GT tend to get skittish in bumpy corners. We strongly recommend traction control to help minimize tire slip in these rear-wheel-drive cars. Quietness 3 2 Hard acceleration brings lots of V6 engine ruckus and, on V8s, engine and exhaust roar. Convertibles aren't uncomfortably noisy with the roof raised. Instruments/Controls/Interior Materials 6 6 Legible and easy to use. Build quality is nothing special, and hard plastic dominates the interior. Rearward visibility is limited--especially with the convertible's top up--but it's nonetheless equal to or better than most rivals. Room/Comfort/Driver Seating (front) 5 5 Good room for two and seats are supportive. Long doors are a hassle in tight spaces. Room/Comfort (rear) 2 2 Grade-school kids might fit, but it's no place for adults. Entry/exit is typical sporty coupe, requiring awkward crouching under low roof, squeezing between front seat and doorjamb. Cargo Room 2 1 Meager trunk space, and convertible lacks coupe's folding rear seatback. Value within Class 5 5 Mustang has outlasted its soon-to-be discontinued GM competition because it has broader appeal. This is still an impractical car, but easily fulfills its core mission: Deliver sporty performance and looks for a reasonable price. Totals 42 42

Post by **tl1000sga** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 3:10 pm

Bread makes me poop

Post by **Onizuka** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 3:10 pm

Mr1der wrote:you'll find most dealer mechanics have a tendency to hate the cars they work on...

that is SOOOOOOOOO true, my uncle is a master mechanic at ford down in florida and he has a foul name for every car ford sells. Except V8 mustangs.

wheather it be the fucus or the taur-a**, he claims to know every recall code in the book.

Post by **Mr1der** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 3:10 pm

could just be he works at ford too though:D

I bet I'd give the DOHC 4.6 all kinds of dirty words if I had to work on one, but man that is such a *****in' motor, I really want a new Mach 1 so I can boost it via turbo...

Post by **krazy skwerel** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 3:10 pm

All in all the Mustang v6 mustang does what it was built for, people who want the look not the power. I really wouldn't question reliability until the car is out of warranty. Since that is when you see just how well a car is gonna hold up. Like I said I was not in this to argue, and honestly don't care for the 3.8 mustang. I just like to debate. In which I feel Bubba brought up some points that I just simply can not beat. Though on the owner satisfaction is understandable. Lets say you just bought a V6 mustang. You are happy and what not. It has power and is sporty looking. Then after time you realise "wow I wish I had the GT" I think it is more of an envy thing than an actual poor car. Just my opinion though.

Post by **skydragoness** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 3:10 pm

krazy skwerel wrote:All in all the Mustang v6 mustang does what it was built for, people who want the look not the power. I really wouldn't question reliability until the car is out of warranty. Since that is when you see just how well a car is gonna hold up. Like I said I was not in this to argue, and honestly don't care for the 3.8 mustang. I just like to debate. In which I feel Bubba brought up some points that I just simply can not beat. Though on the owner satisfaction is understandable. Lets say you just bought a V6 mustang. You are happy and what not. It has power and is sporty looking. ...

Are you still talking about mustangrose's vehicle? Because it's a 95' and there shouldn't be a warranty on it. (if purchased from a dealership, it would be the lame 30day one) Nor should there be any reliability left in it. I'm just mystified in this whole matter why mustangrose stuck with FORD, when her previous vehicle was a TB with a bad trans/other issues. *that's* what puzzles me, that and the reason why she joined this forum

Post by **Mr1der** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 3:10 pm

same reason I'm here(well, ok not really, I technically owned an S12 at one point:))? the aod in the tbirds could be lame at times, but when built properly, can handle upwards of 400horses and even more torque, but hers was still factor:)

it's more about people just blasting the mustang and the 3.8 in general, I still say it's proven to be a reliable and tough motor for me:D

Post by **krazy skwerel** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 3:10 pm

skydragoness5 wrote:

Are you still talking about mustangrose's vehicle? Because it's a 95' and there shouldn't be a warranty on it. (if purchased from a dealership, it would be the lame 30day one) Nor should there be any reliability left in it. I'm just mystified in this whole matter why mustangrose stuck with FORD, when her previous vehicle was a TB with a bad trans/other issues. *that's* what puzzles me, that and the reason why she joined this forum

No no me and bubba were debating the newer 3.8 mustang. Sorry to not make that clear. This has nothing to do with Nissanrose's car. But the more current 99-2003 model.

Post by **Mr1der** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 3:10 pm

on that topic, anyone know what the pony package does to the interior, I know base sucks, reminds me of a honda, just do bland...

Post by **jdmfreak** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 3:10 pm

Hmmmm.....Not too sure on that one.

Post by **skydragoness** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 3:10 pm

Mr1der wrote:same reason I'm here(well, ok not really, I technically owned an S12 at one point:))? the aod in the tbirds could be lame at times, but when built properly, can handle upwards of 400horses and even more torque, but hers was still factor:)

it's more about people just blasting the mustang and the 3.8 in general, I still say it's proven to be a reliable and tough motor for me:D

that's fine and dandy, anybody can be on this site if they have a love for the nissan marque, i'm just questioning mustangrose's.(really, if you had the means and opportunity for a new vehicle...are you going to get another Ford? This is what mystifies me)

Post by **tl1000sga** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 3:10 pm

One of my ex-girls bought a new V6 stang in 2000 (which she hates now), It's the only car I've ever seen where the ash tray was an option. The car didn't come with an ash tray!! You had to get the "smokers" option, which added a round, cup shaped ash tray that sat in one of the 2 cup holders in the center console.

That's stupid.......almost ricist.

Post by **krazy skwerel** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 3:10 pm

At least the damn thing has cup holders. Freakin' 240's. Sorry just would be nice to have a cup holder.

i got a new car.

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