I feel so safe officers!

A General Discussion forum for cars and other topics, and a great place to introduce yourself if you are new to NICO!
User avatar
PoorManQ45
Posts: 16676
Joined: Fri Jul 02, 2004 5:13 pm

Post

Alright, I got a ticket for making a left turn between 3pm and 7pm when a sign was posted not too.

I will not complain about getting the ticket as the sign was clearly posted and I did not observe the posted sign.

The problem is that there were between 5 and 7 police officers waiting down this road that I turned on to. They are represented by the red circles on the picture.

I turned from 301 to palmetto rd. As soon as I get onto the road an officer walks in to the middle of the road near jefferson street and puts his hand up in a motion for me to stop near him. I stop in the middle of my lane by him. I go to pull off of the side of the road to not block the road and he yells at me.

Again, there are 5~7 other police officers parked in this location and all just standing around laughing and talking until their next victim comes down the road.

There was no niceness to this interaction like you sometimes get with an officer. "License and registration!" He snatches them without saying a word and walks to his cruiser. He returns to me a minute later and hands me my copy of the ticket and tells me I've got 30 days to pay. In the place of my signature he put I.D. Florida DL. He made no request for me to sign.

So, I've got a nice $151 fine to pay. I'll take care of it as I did commit the infraction I was accused of. FL 316.074(1).

My problem isn't the ticket, it's that they had so many officers in this location. I can understand one or two post there, but 5~7! Come on guys, you are just standing around most of the time.

So, I got my ticket and pulled into the church parking lot. Having a little sense about me I went inside and requested permission to sit on their property for awhile(don't want a loitering charge too!) So, I parked my bike on the church lot and proceeded to take a seat on the ground on the Church's private property. All I wanted to do was watch the situation. I would have taken pictures/video, but my phone was dead :squint: . I sat there for about 30 minutes. In that time I was approached and harassed by different officers multiple times! Each time they threatened me with some bogus of "interrupting police" or something like that. In response I simply said, "Thank you for letting me know". When they saw I wasn't leaving they'd walk away saying something that sounded rude.

In the 30 minutes that I was there I say close to 10 vehicles cited for making the left turn. What was interesting was that with each new car that came down the road a different officer would write the citation. It seemed like they went in turns, but I did not observe them long enough to establish that. I noticed that each time a car was pulled over the officer was not in his vehicle for much more then a minute and did not offer the driver of the vehicle to sign the ticket. It may be a bold statement, but it seemed that the officers had these tickets mostly filled out!

I will note that the reason that people turn left is due to the light cycle at 301 & Balm Riverview Rd. The line of traffic backs up over the river and the light allows ~6 cars per cycle. This creates quite a long wait. If you turn left on Palmetto a few more cars can turn before the light cycles and allows northbound traffic on 301 to go.

So, in conclusion, these officers seemed to not be interested in the safety of the general public. With the 5~7 officers removed from calls that means the 5~7 fewer officers can respond to a real emergency call(probably doesn't work that way...) The infraction of turning left between 3pm and 7pm was not so severe as to warrant 5~7 police officers on site!


Image


User avatar
Dattebayo
Posts: 33288
Joined: Sun Aug 25, 2002 10:04 am
Car: 2004 Nissan Frontier Desert Runner
Location: NE DC

Post

Great, so complain to your local congressman. Florida cops suck, and your town probably requires quotas.

User avatar
Jesda
Posts: 39644
Joined: Mon May 05, 2003 1:50 pm
Location: STL, DTW
Contact:

Post

Its an excellent revenue stream that's easy to enforce.

Near my parents' neighborhood there's a bunch of well-to-do types who want to restrict the roads in their neighborhood from being used during rush hour traffic. So, a cop on each end of the neighborhood hangs out and waits. I guess they use radio to determine if someone passed through from end to end.

For a while they even had wooden posts in the road forcing you to zig zag to get down the street.

I say, if you can't afford to live in a cul de sac or gated community, don't waste public resources keeping people out of a public roadway that we all paid to maintain.

User avatar
krash
Posts: 4836
Joined: Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:43 am
Car: 1993 Nissan 240sx Convertible
Location: Memphis, TN
Contact:

Post

Yea that does sound a bit over the top. I hate it when cops are rude, not because its pisses me off, but because there are actually good cops that aren't on a power trip. And the douche-cops ruin the whole image for them. But if there was an emergency, I'm sure those 5-7 officers would be able to respond, they weren't really doing anything....

User avatar
Bubba1
Moderator
Posts: 16082
Joined: Wed Oct 30, 2002 1:42 pm
Car: 2003 Nissan 350z
2024 Honda HR-V
2008 Toyota Corolla S
2001 Toyota Avalon XLS

Post

Dattebayo wrote:Great, so complain to your local congressman. Florida cops suck, and your town probably requires quotas.
It's not surprising at all, PMQ. Cops routinely set up stings like that, usually at locations where a lotta accidents occur. Heck, there's one near my home, a long entrance ramp onto a very busy narrow highway, where people cross the solid lines (before the blend) early to get around what they perceive as slow pokes, and frequently end up cutting someone else off already on the highway (who have the right of way), resulting in daily accidents. There are regularly 4-5 police cars sitting there several days per week, waving drivers over and ticketing them as they cross that solid line.

Those that get nailed at these stings almost always view them strictly as a revenue generator, which it probably is true to some extent. But more importantly, they also act as wakeup calls that you really need to obey the signs at that intersection or risk a ticket. Which then results in fewer accidents.

User avatar
themadscientist
Posts: 26254
Joined: Tue Nov 12, 2002 3:30 pm
Car: R32 GTR, DR30 RS Turbo, BRZ, Lunchbox, NSR50 Sportster 883 Iron
Location: Staring down at you with disdain from the spooky mountaintop castle.

Post

You have laid out a very convincing argument. I encourage you to put something in the paper about this.

User avatar
Jesda
Posts: 39644
Joined: Mon May 05, 2003 1:50 pm
Location: STL, DTW
Contact:

Post

I bet the cop was being rude because he really didn't want to be there that evening bored out of his mind watching people turn left.

User avatar
Amays U G37S
Posts: 2504
Joined: Tue Aug 31, 2010 8:13 am
Car: shoes
Location: Cabin

Post

I got a ticket today

Lets be twins

User avatar
themadscientist
Posts: 26254
Joined: Tue Nov 12, 2002 3:30 pm
Car: R32 GTR, DR30 RS Turbo, BRZ, Lunchbox, NSR50 Sportster 883 Iron
Location: Staring down at you with disdain from the spooky mountaintop castle.

Post

Jesda wrote:I bet the cop was being rude because he really didn't want to be there that evening bored out of his mind watching people turn left.
What do you mean?
Image

User avatar
Jesda
Posts: 39644
Joined: Mon May 05, 2003 1:50 pm
Location: STL, DTW
Contact:

Post

Time for you to have a meet with PMQ

User avatar
Jesda
Posts: 39644
Joined: Mon May 05, 2003 1:50 pm
Location: STL, DTW
Contact:

Post

Is that Gargamel?

User avatar
themadscientist
Posts: 26254
Joined: Tue Nov 12, 2002 3:30 pm
Car: R32 GTR, DR30 RS Turbo, BRZ, Lunchbox, NSR50 Sportster 883 Iron
Location: Staring down at you with disdain from the spooky mountaintop castle.

Post

No, this is Garagamel, and as you can see, he rocks.
Image

User avatar
Jesda
Posts: 39644
Joined: Mon May 05, 2003 1:50 pm
Location: STL, DTW
Contact:

Post

Gargamel has much better skin and a cool house.

User avatar
Solar_Runner
Posts: 914
Joined: Fri Nov 24, 2006 4:27 pm
Location: Rio Rancho, NM

Post

Last 5 posts have me LMAO, thanks guys!

:lolling:

User avatar
Bubba1
Moderator
Posts: 16082
Joined: Wed Oct 30, 2002 1:42 pm
Car: 2003 Nissan 350z
2024 Honda HR-V
2008 Toyota Corolla S
2001 Toyota Avalon XLS

Post

I'd be more oncerned about PMQ slipping you a roofie.

User avatar
sx moneypit
Posts: 8911
Joined: Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:54 am
Car: 2010 Nissan 370Z
1986 Toyota MR2
Location: Memphis,Tn.

Post

infiniti_lineup wrote:
Jesda wrote:Time for you to have a meet with PMQ
:ohno:

I'm afraid... what if he turns me into one of his "people"?

Image
:rotfl :lolling:

User avatar
PapaSmurf2k3
Site Admin
Posts: 19005
Joined: Thu Nov 21, 2002 3:20 pm
Car: 2017 Corvette, 2018 Focus ST, 1993 240sx truck KA Turbo.
Location: Merrimack, NH

Post

see if you can find out when they are doing it again, and take some video.

Situations like that just piss me right off... same with situations like Jesda was talking about. "To serve and protect" my a**.

User avatar
PoorManQ45
Posts: 16676
Joined: Fri Jul 02, 2004 5:13 pm

Post

PapaSmurf2k3 wrote:see if you can find out when they are doing it again, and take some video.

Situations like that just piss me right off... same with situations like Jesda was talking about. "To serve and protect" my a**.
Definitely!

User avatar
ADDirishboy
Posts: 13079
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:08 am
Car: 2008 Nissan Titan Pro4x
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Contact:

Post

They did this a lot when I lived in Tucson. I got pulled over twice for stupid little infractions like that. I actually told the second officer that the apartment complex I lived in had been broken into probably 7 times in the last few months, and that his time would be better spent finding the little ***hole stealing all my s***. He wasn't very nice after I said that.

User avatar
Loki
Posts: 7653
Joined: Sun Oct 15, 2006 7:27 am
Car: 1994 Nissan 240SX Convertible
2010 Toyota FJ Cruiser
2001 Ford F-150 SVT Lightning
Location: Detroit, MI
Contact:

Post

Sounds like a corrupt cop quota circle-jerk to me.

User avatar
ADDirishboy
Posts: 13079
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:08 am
Car: 2008 Nissan Titan Pro4x
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Contact:

Post

Loki wrote:Sounds like a corrupt cop quota circle-jerk to me.
Not seeing how that's corrupt. s***? yes. Corrupt? Not quite.

User avatar
tigersharkdude
Posts: 2636
Joined: Mon Mar 12, 2007 7:14 am
Car: 1999 Nissan Maxima
Location: Nashville, TN

Post

after reading the OP, Im going to say that its strictly a revenue/sting situation.

The city puts up a bogus sign on a busy road, during rush hour. Thats keeping drivers safe, thats making the situation worse BECAUSE, after setting at a green light because you cant go (stupid as ....), more drivers will probably run the light, once it turns green/yellow/red because they dont wont to sit there for another 5 minutes, thus potentially causing more wrecks.

I personally would write something out like this, and go to court and read my argument.

And like James said, get a video camera and get that church's permission to set in their lot and go get some footage. Just make sure your state doesnt have another bogus law where you cant video tape an officer without his/her permission (like dude on the bike that got a gun pulled on him by a plain clothes)

User avatar
Jesda
Posts: 39644
Joined: Mon May 05, 2003 1:50 pm
Location: STL, DTW
Contact:

Post

I've really lucked out with my local PD. They recently sent out a satisfaction survey. They actually asked us how happy we are with their service and what our concerns are.

User avatar
PapaSmurf2k3
Site Admin
Posts: 19005
Joined: Thu Nov 21, 2002 3:20 pm
Car: 2017 Corvette, 2018 Focus ST, 1993 240sx truck KA Turbo.
Location: Merrimack, NH

Post

Jesda wrote:They actually asked us how happy we are with their service and what our concerns are.
And? What did you say?

User avatar
Jesda
Posts: 39644
Joined: Mon May 05, 2003 1:50 pm
Location: STL, DTW
Contact:

Post

I gave them 5/5 on everything.

When they asked me to rate what was important, I put drug, mall, and traffic enforcement at the very bottom and theft/burglary/vandalism investigation at the top. White kids get bored here and like to destroy mailboxes and steal garden gnomes.

And unlike my mom's town 3 miles away, they don't have red light cameras here, nor do they stalk neighborhoods during certain hours trying to ticket people for driving on a public street.

User avatar
PapaSmurf2k3
Site Admin
Posts: 19005
Joined: Thu Nov 21, 2002 3:20 pm
Car: 2017 Corvette, 2018 Focus ST, 1993 240sx truck KA Turbo.
Location: Merrimack, NH

Post

Not bad. I'd rather watch some garden gnomes go missing than teenage girls and vehicles go missing.

I wonder if they'll follow through on the suggestions. Seems like all police do anymore is traffic enforcement. Its got to be the highest ROI for them.

User avatar
Jesda
Posts: 39644
Joined: Mon May 05, 2003 1:50 pm
Location: STL, DTW
Contact:

Post

Chesterfield is the only town with a AAA credit rating in Missouri, so I suspect the only reason they haven't gone bonkers on traffic enforcement is because the city already has a pile of money. I think the department just got some new Tahoes to use as regular cruisers.

User avatar
Jesda
Posts: 39644
Joined: Mon May 05, 2003 1:50 pm
Location: STL, DTW
Contact:

Post

There's also fewer accidents per capita here than neighboring towns with cameras and much more aggressive enforcement.

HMMM....


Return to “General Chat”