I don't even put bumper stickers on my car let alone this

[bigbadberry3]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/08/27/ore ... tml?hpt=T2

I would flip if I saw this on my car. End of story.

[stebo0728]

ya, crazy stuff, hell i remove the dealer emblems when I buy a car, cause I figure why the hell give them free advertising right?

[vikesfankevin1986]

I'm confused...the link is about a GPS...what does that have to do with a bumper sticker or a dealer emblems, unless they are under your car and out of sight?

[bigbadberry3]

I wasn't specifically addressing bumper stickers. I was trying to imply that I freak out if anything goes on my car let alone the police sneaking up on it and attaching a GPS tracker while on my private property.

[vikesfankevin1986]

Meh I don't have a problem with it. It's not like I'm worried about them catching me dumping the dead hooker or buying crack...Now it might suck the first time they nail me for doing 110 or something...It would be very effective as far as keeping me under the speed limit...
I'm real big on if you don't have anything to hide, what's the problem? Same with like phone tapping and cameras on street corners.

[Crazyirish]

Meh I don't have a problem with it. It's not like I'm worried about them catching me dumping the dead hooker or buying crack...Now it might suck the first time they nail me for doing 110 or something...It would be very effective as far as keeping me under the speed limit...
I'm real big on if you don't have anything to hide, what's the problem? Same with like phone tapping and cameras on street corners.

Why stop there? Lets require all citizens to wear gps trackers & audio recorders. And then maybe when can develop implantable lie detectors, and self tasers. That way the government knows what we're doing at all times, can tell if were lying, and disable us whenever they want. I mean, if you're not a lawbreaker then why would any of that stuff be a hindrance?

[Watermelonwarrior]

I'm real big on if you don't have anything to hide, what's the problem? Same with like phone tapping and cameras on street corners.

Thats a horrible way to look at things.

[IBCoupe]

Ohhh, this'll be appealed.

And probably upheld. Fourth Amendment my butt.

[AZhitman]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/08/27/ore ... tml?hpt=T2

I would flip if I saw this on my car. End of story.

I oppose ALL such electronic surveillance methodologies.

[AppleBonker]

I oppose ALL such electronic surveillance methodologies.

Unless it's monitoring people on welfare? I kid.

Seriously though, isn't this illegal for me to do as a private citizen to another private citizen? I'm pretty sure I can't go around installing tracking devices on peoples' cars. Why should the cops be able to do this?

[IBCoupe]

Volokh posted a blog entry before the ruling, and it seems a pretty reasonable analysis:
http://volokh.com/2009/12/13/does-the-f ... veillance/

The combined holding of United States v. Knotts, 460 U.S. 276 (1983), and United States v. Karo, 468 U.S. 705 (1984), was that the constitutionality of warrantless beeper surveillance depends on what information the beeper reveals.

The argument goes that GPS monitoring is far more revealing than the "beeper" surveillance technology employed in the late '70s and early '80s, but federal courts haven't really been receptive to that argument.

[vikesfankevin1986]

Meh I don't have a problem with it. It's not like I'm worried about them catching me dumping the dead hooker or buying crack...Now it might suck the first time they nail me for doing 110 or something...It would be very effective as far as keeping me under the speed limit...
I'm real big on if you don't have anything to hide, what's the problem? Same with like phone tapping and cameras on street corners.

Why stop there? Lets require all citizens to wear gps trackers & audio recorders. And then maybe when can develop implantable lie detectors, and self tasers. That way the government knows what we're doing at all times, can tell if were lying, and disable us whenever they want. I mean, if you're not a lawbreaker then why would any of that stuff be a hindrance?

Sure why not? Put them on all those little high school kids. I think what people aren't taking into consideration is they aren't going to sit there and monitor your every word or every move. They don't have enough manpower for that. You think they are gonna watch and listen to me and my buddy talking about his g/f at subway? Doubt it. Now his g/f was raped and beat and is still harassed by the guys friends for it. So how about every time the word "rape," "kill," "bomb," or something like that comes up they tune in for a few minutes to see what they are talking about.
I bet rapes, murders, child molesting, drug dealing and crimes in general would all go down.
But I guess it just depends on how safe you want to be.
Like I said, the govenment isn't going to sit there and listen to me talk to some girl on the phone.
And then isn't the stuff private investigators do illegal? Or shows like Cheaters?

Either way I hardly feel bad for a drug deal or someone buying drugs getting busted this way. What he was doing was illegal. If I get a ticket for speeding because I was driving the sports car as opposed to a mini van that were both going the same speed, can I claim that is unfair? I think that is unfair...but I still have to pay the ticket because either way I was breaking the law.

[vikesfankevin1986]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/08/27/ore ... tml?hpt=T2

I would flip if I saw this on my car. End of story.

I oppose ALL such electronic surveillance methodologies.

Are you saying cameras too? Because if you are...
How many criminals have been brought to justice because they were caught on tape doing something? How would you feel if you were beat on a street corner and there was no tape of who did it? At least if there was, they could probably get at least some of the people. How many people trying to rob stores and been nailed because of surveillance?
It blows my mind how people would be against this.
I get that people want privacy but it's not like this stuff is getting people faulsely accused. This isn't like our current he say, she say system.

[vikesfankevin1986]

I'm real big on if you don't have anything to hide, what's the problem? Same with like phone tapping and cameras on street corners.

Thats a horrible way to look at things.

Why? If the government wants to watch me wait for a bus or wants to listen to me and my buddy talk about how hot this girl in speech class is, fine...

[stebo0728]

Sure why not? Put them on all those little high school kids. I think what people aren't taking into consideration is they aren't going to sit there and monitor your every word or every move. They don't have enough manpower for that. You think they are gonna watch and listen to me and my buddy talking about his g/f at subway? Doubt it. Now his g/f was raped and beat and is still harassed by the guys friends for it. So how about every time the word "rape," "kill," "bomb," or something like that comes up they tune in for a few minutes to see what they are talking about.
I bet rapes, murders, child molesting, drug dealing and crimes in general would all go down.
But I guess it just depends on how safe you want to be.
Like I said, the govenment isn't going to sit there and listen to me talk to some girl on the phone.
And then isn't the stuff private investigators do illegal? Or shows like Cheaters?

Either way I hardly feel bad for a drug deal or someone buying drugs getting busted this way. What he was doing was illegal. If I get a ticket for speeding because I was driving the sports car as opposed to a mini van that were both going the same speed, can I claim that is unfair? I think that is unfair...but I still have to pay the ticket because either way I was breaking the law.

One word: databases

[vikesfankevin1986]

Sure why not? Put them on all those little high school kids. I think what people aren't taking into consideration is they aren't going to sit there and monitor your every word or every move. They don't have enough manpower for that. You think they are gonna watch and listen to me and my buddy talking about his g/f at subway? Doubt it. Now his g/f was raped and beat and is still harassed by the guys friends for it. So how about every time the word "rape," "kill," "bomb," or something like that comes up they tune in for a few minutes to see what they are talking about.
I bet rapes, murders, child molesting, drug dealing and crimes in general would all go down.
But I guess it just depends on how safe you want to be.
Like I said, the govenment isn't going to sit there and listen to me talk to some girl on the phone.
And then isn't the stuff private investigators do illegal? Or shows like Cheaters?

Either way I hardly feel bad for a drug deal or someone buying drugs getting busted this way. What he was doing was illegal. If I get a ticket for speeding because I was driving the sports car as opposed to a mini van that were both going the same speed, can I claim that is unfair? I think that is unfair...but I still have to pay the ticket because either way I was breaking the law.

One word: databases

So lets say everything I say is on a database...Are they going to sit around and listen to my buddy and I talk about his stupid g/f? About this class and that class? If for some reason if I am being accused of a crime are they going to search through everything I ever said and try and find something? I just don't think that is realistic. We don't have the time to do that. The only way we would have the time is if it was a major crime...but then maybe it should be done.

[vikesfankevin1986]

Also...can't they just track you with GPS if you have your cell phone on you?

[vikesfankevin1986]

Maybe being in the military makes me think this way. They know a good chuck about your life. What you do, where you are, when you leave town. In the doorms they can come in and do an inspection at any time. Check to see if its clean, they even look for dust. They check for alcohol in minor's rooms and check for weapons. I mean check for dust is a little excessive but for the most part, you have a pretty normal life. There are people that know almost every issue you have had and you call them when something happens but I don't feel like I have "lost freedoms" or anything.

[stebo0728]

Three more words: pattern recognition software

They don't have to have large amounts of manpower anymore now that all the evidence is in the digital world (or nearly all of it anyway). All this fancy smancy technology can find all the hit points in your data in about 30 minutes of searching, then a 10 minute warm body review for accuracy, and the case is made.

[audtatious]

Also...can't they just track you with GPS if you have your cell phone on you?

Yeah, you can track new phones as long as they are on....

I like your methodology, why we can track the number of times people eat out, go to McD's, don't purchase the right veggies, don't exercise, etc. and then send them a tax bill in the mail each month as a penalty for not being a perfect Aryan...errr...American specimen.

[Crazyirish]

Sure why not? Put them on all those little high school kids. I think what people aren't taking into consideration is they aren't going to sit there and monitor your every word or every move. They don't have enough manpower for that. You think they are gonna watch and listen to me and my buddy talking about his g/f at subway? Doubt it. Now his g/f was raped and beat and is still harassed by the guys friends for it. So how about every time the word "rape," "kill," "bomb," or something like that comes up they tune in for a few minutes to see what they are talking about.
I bet rapes, murders, child molesting, drug dealing and crimes in general would all go down.
But I guess it just depends on how safe you want to be.

I'll let a better speaker than myself answer that comment:

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin

On another note if you were in the military then you were required to swear an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America, correct?

[stebo0728]

Also...can't they just track you with GPS if you have your cell phone on you?

Yeah, you can track new phones as long as they are on....

I like your methodology, why we can track the number of times people eat out, go to McD's, don't purchase the right veggies, don't exercise, etc. and then send them a tax bill in the mail each month as a penalty for not being a perfect Aryan...errr...American specimen.

Its the 21st century now Aud, power buttons dont actually turn things off anymore. Puts em to sleep maybe, but their still on until the actual power source goes away. Off cell phones can still be tracked as long as the battery is intact and has sufficient charge.

[dusred]

I'm real big on if you don't have anything to hide, what's the problem? Same with like phone tapping and cameras on street corners.

Whether you realize it or not you do have something to hide.

Lets ship you off to North Korea for a few months and see how you like it. Maybe when you come back you'll be more willing to stand up for our freedoms.

[heliochrome85]

I'm real big on if you don't have anything to hide, what's the problem? Same with like phone tapping and cameras on street corners.

Whether you realize it or not you do have something to hide.

Lets ship you off to North Korea for a few months and see how you like it. Maybe when you come back you'll be more willing to stand up for our freedoms.

nice job kid. he is a member of the military. nuff said.

[AZhitman]

Whether you realize it or not you do have something to hide.

Lets ship you off to North Korea for a few months and see how you like it. Maybe when you come back you'll be more willing to stand up for our freedoms.

nice job kid. he is a member of the military. nuff said.

Oops.

You serving, Dustin?

[themadscientist]

Got a GPS on you car now? How about a cell phone? You can be tracked rather easily boys and girls. It should require a warrant. That BS argument "if you have nothing to hide, what's the problem," goes both ways. If they can't get a warrant they don't have enough evidence to support tracking you.

[vikesfankevin1986]

I'll let a better speaker than myself answer that comment:

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin

On another note if you were in the military then you were required to swear an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America, correct?

Yes I did. And reguardless of how I feel and my opinions, I still have to support the president in his decision. He is my commander in chief. I don't get to pick and choose what wars I want to fight in. Even if I don't agree with the war in Iraq, I still have to be part of it.

[vikesfankevin1986]

I'm real big on if you don't have anything to hide, what's the problem? Same with like phone tapping and cameras on street corners.

Whether you realize it or not you do have something to hide.

Lets ship you off to North Korea for a few months and see how you like it. Maybe when you come back you'll be more willing to stand up for our freedoms.

I lived in Germany for 2 years. I deployed to Kyrgyzstan, where we supported the troops going in and out of Afganistan. Working in services, mortuary is part of my job. It was my job to re-ice the bodies that came in. I saw the faces of the men who died in a chopper crash on the news and then had to open the transfer case to re-ice them. We then guarded the bodies all night and loaded them onto the plane. While in Germany I also re-iced bodies. Burnt flesh isn't a nice smell...neither is a transfer case full of blood at the bottom. You ever seen a body bag that you can tell has a body with the head missing?
From there I went to Virginia where I was on the Honor Guard. We preformed funeral services for fallen veterans. Personally, I like to be the one of the guys in the 21 guns, but if I was the head of it I had to present the flag to the next of kin. Presenting a flag to a crying mother, who just lost her 25 year old son isn't easy. Try remembering the words you are supposed to say while looking into her crying eyes.
I went on another deployment to the United Arab Emerates...The mission of that base is to fly spy planes out over Iraq and Afganistan to warn the army soldiers of upcomming ambushes. That base is responsible for saving hundreds of lives. Not to mention, our OSI at that base prevent what could have been a huge disaster at the Dubai Air Show.

Your welcome.

[dusred]

nice job kid. he is a member of the military. nuff said.

I didn't realize that and if I offended I apologize. Thanks for standing up for our freedoms.

My point remains that you do have something to hide whether you realize it or not. It is virtually impossible to faithfully obey every law.

[Crazyirish]

Yes I did. And reguardless of how I feel and my opinions, I still have to support the president in his decision. He is my commander in chief. I don't get to pick and choose what wars I want to fight in. Even if I don't agree with the war in Iraq, I still have to be part of it.

And I greatly appreciate your service. That is, however, irrelevant to the topic at hand. Your argument pretty much s*** all over the constitution. I just wasn't sure if you were aware of that fact.