Hydrogen Fuel Injection Kit???

[ventrex]

http://www.autoaccessorystore....=2394

Okay well im wondering if anyone knows about this... It looks interesting i dont know if it works or not?? does anyone know if it is converting ur entire car to running on hydrogen? or just adding a hydrogen boost? if anyone could tell me more about this... it seems really interesting..

[ventrex]

wow i thought id get alot of responses for this...?

[H.D.HUMPERDINK]

its not real. sure there are cars that can run on hydrogen, but I don't think anyone has converted their car to run on it.

[ventrex]

well im thinking that it isnt totally converting the car to hydrogen..... i think its a hydrogen boost.... like more of a hybrid concept... im dying to know if it works... it seems like it would.

[Fifth ace]

its not real. sure there are cars that can run on hydrogen, but I don't think anyone has converted their car to run on it.

Why wouldn't someone be able to convert is car to hydrogen? Once this nifty little gas is pressured or cooled enough it becomes liquid and it can burn pretty much like gas except hydrogen is about 3 times stronger. It wouldn't easy or cheap to convert one car but it's feasable. And besides some hyppies even use old cooking oil as fuel, surely hydrogen is better.

[ventrex]

id like to know more about this particular kit... if its a hydrogen boost that is still good.... it doesnt have to be entirely running on hydrogen...

[Fifth ace]

I dont think it can be a "boost.

id like to know more about this particular kit... if its a hydrogen boost that is still good.... it doesnt have to be entirely running on hydrogen...

I dont think it can be a "boost". Hydrogen like any fuel needs air to burn and since all the air in youre engine is used by gasoline, adding hydrogen wont do more power. You're thinking about a nitrous shot but nitrous (NO2) is chemically similar to astmospheric air and just alows you to burn more fuel which in turn makes for a boost of power.

[ventrex]

no , i know what nitrous oxide is... but the way their explaining in on that link i provided... i dunno it doesnt seem like it wouldn't work...

[Fifth ace]

I checked your link. Such a device would NEVER produce enough hydrogen to be of any use besides it needs water and LOTS of volts so even if (and I say if) hydrogen could help the car, the additional stress on the alternator would actually decrease your power and reduce the life of the alternator.

[Defiant]

Utter bull****. Besides, if you try to use it, The Government will send agents around to kill you. They're hired by Big Oil to do it.

ENERGY IS AN EQUATION. There is no magic, there is no invisible hook.

And neither The Government nor "big oil" give a crap about any of it. They don't need to. Nothing's as tidy, cheap, accessible and efficient as the millions of years this planet's been stashing some of the sun's energy away as oil is. Oh, other than nuclear, but only the French have the sense to use that. Go figure.

[BlackHat]

Well, I don't think that page was claiming to do the chemical reaction starting with water (I didn't see that mentioned anywhere). My biggest concern would be that if that is a container with hydrogen in it, why in the name of god would it be some cheap looking plastic container? That puts that device on the shelf as I-don't-want-to-live-through-any-accident. The reason you're not seeing hydrogen cars right now is because it's dangerous stuff. GM (I think they are the ones working on the hydrogen cars right now) has been brainstorming to come up with a logistical solution for it. If you want proof do a quick science project on applying electrical current through distilled water while capturing the gases. It will be a stoichmetric mixture of hydrogen and oxygen that is EXTREMELY flamable. Even if that is what it advertises and it did increase horsepower I would STRONGLY advise not to use it.

If you need more convincing, research why you don't see any of the old zeplins around.

[Fifth ace]

Well, I don't think that page was claiming to do the chemical reaction starting with water (I didn't see that mentioned anywhere). My biggest concern would be that if that is a container with hydrogen in it, why in the name of god would it be some cheap looking plastic container? That puts that device on the shelf as I-don't-want-to-live-through-any-accident. The reason you're not seeing hydrogen cars right now is because it's dangerous stuff. GM (I think they are the ones working on the hydrogen cars right now) has been brainstorming to come up with a logistical solution for it. If you want proof do a quick science project on applying electrical current through distilled water while capturing the gases. It will be a stoichmetric mixture of hydrogen and oxygen that is EXTREMELY flamable. Even if that is what it advertises and it did increase horsepower I would STRONGLY advise not to use it.

If you need more convincing, research why you don't see any of the old zeplins around.

It wont be hydrogen in that bottle for 2 reasons. First, where would you refill it? Secound it wouldn't hold much since it's a plastic piece of s**t as you said. I actually remember seeing and episode of mythbusters (Disovery channel) where they tried just such a device and guess what? It didn't work! Now hydrogen is dangerous but oil is too. Lots of reseach have shown that in a good pressurised tank, hydrogen CAN be contained safely. BMW has even made a race car that runs on it. Even the US army was interested and did some tests where they would shot the tank to see if it would explode. It actually took a 50 caliber rifle just to pierce the damn thing and even then the hydrogen just vented out. Finally, zeplins were filled with helium and not hydrogen. The heddinburg (is that it?) was filled with hydrogen because there was an helium shortage from Europe. But this thread isn't a chemistry stand-off, is it?

[BlackHat]

Oops on the zeplins. Well, we can see what happened to the one that used hydrogen anyway.

I'm also talking about ignition temp. I've dropped my cigerette in Oil before without event. Hydrogen is a bit more sensitive, especially since it will probably be under pressure.

That's interesting about the army. Must be a really heavy duty container, which is my point anyway. The army vehicles use the same basic fuel tanks for gas and oil pans to contain oil as we do, but with hydrogen they have to build a metal tank capable of with-standing up to a 50 cal rifle? I also know you need a heavier container for the pressure, but my dive tank would probably be decimated by a .22 shot.

I have to admit I'm a bit surprised it just vented though. I wouldn't bet it would just do that everytime.

Wasn't trying for a chemistry show off, I'm not that good at chemistry anyway. But the ending point is that the item in question is dangerous if it does contain hydrogen. I'm of the same mind as you on that point though, I'd be very surprised if it had hydrogen. Probably just some rip off that magically transforms water into hydrogen on the go... I'd prefer that anyway, at least no one would hurt themself (other than maybe financially...)

[Fifth ace]

It isn't the subject of the topic but still I want to say that: Hydrogen tanks are made with multi-layered carbon fiber so they're strong and lightweight and because steel isn't hydrogen-tight. If it's pierce it can still hold together, like a scuba tank. Hydrogen is highly flamable and explosive (dah) but if it leaks it evaporates and diffuses so fast it results in an very small and contained fire if ignited. Not so bad heh? But it's still a fuel and should be handled with care. Imagine however somobody making is how gas, wouln't be safer. They are regulations when making fuels and it's there for a reason. So they won't be any make your how hydrogen kits just as there isn't any purify your own oil ones. So my point is Hydrogen IS dangerous but it can safely be used as a fuel but making any usable quantity of it would be, as you said, very, very unhealty. But lets try that nobody gets hurt (even financialy).

[180fan]

Regardless, if there were a reasonable way to get hydrogen running cars, I'm sure a few makers would have already released cars to do it ie. BMW as they got the farthest with their hydrogen powered cars. That kit's a heap of crap. It's yet another gimmick to bust cash out of folks who are willing to try to blow some cash to try to save a few bucks on the price of gas. Lame.

[untuned]

The product being sold is an onboard hydrogen electrolyzer. The idea is to produce hydrogen (and oxygen) by splitting water using an electric current. Apparently, and I'm working on testing this myself, by introducing trace amounts of hydrogen in the intake (1-1.5 liters of h2 gas per minute), you can improve power, increase fuel economy, and reduce emissions. There is never any hydrogen stored in the container, it is made real-time. On similar systems, the current draw is around 10 amps and must be limited by an electronic circuit.

Such a small amount of hydrogen cannot be considered the fuel source, rather it acts as a catalyst to allow the gasoline to be burned more completely. Less gas is wasted (ie, dumped into your catalytic converter to be fully burned there), and a net fuel savings is realized. Anyway, that's the theory. More on that for anyone that is interested.

[onepuff]

Check out this site if you really want to know more about hydrolysis.

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/g...sages