HYDROGEN BOOSTER...your thoughts?

[lightsout]

let me put it this way:

has anyone here installed a Hydrogen Booster on their car/truck?

[Urabus GodofTraction]

If they did, they were a moron!

[Nismo_Freak]

A liquid hydrogen booster rocket would be cool.

[allensteiner]

i thought about it but dropped the idea. unless you do a full gas - hydrogen conversion it's not worth mentioning.

[CodeRed]

I use my rocket booster for pesky tail gaters.

[lightsout]

it's not used for horsepower(even though hydrogen burns hotter, faster, and perfectly clean compared to petroleum), but more so used for economic value. Inventors claim, and can prove, that the "Hydrogen booster" can boost your MPG by at least 40%.

there are a few websites that have a "hydrogen kit" or "build it yourself directions". I have researched soooo many websites, inventors, documentaries, and blah blah blah...and was hoping to find someone here on NICO that may have done research also.

has anyone here done research on HHO gas, Brown Gas, Hydron0x, hydrogen injection, hydro-boosters, hydrogen booster, full conversions?????????

just curious
Modified by lightsout at 2:43 AM 5/27/2008

[Leuthesius]

I have a unit nearly built. I need to make a few modifications and get a dc power converter, and then I'll be able to make a post of whether or not I've found it to work.

If it does, I'm going to draw up blueprints for a really GOOD looking one to put in my J30 (one that doesn't look like a Redneck put it in).

[lightsout]

just a few of the links that i've found about HYDROGEN GAS and it's use in vehicles:

http://www.overunity.com/

http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/s...t.htm

http://www.horizonfuelcell.com/automotive.htm#

http://www.myfoxcolorado.com/m...flg=1

this is used to bypass the 02 sensor readings to keep the computer from making the wrong fuel adjustment:http://www.fuelsaver-mpg.com/s...th=65

this company is SPONSORING NICO!!!http://www.5starshine.com/news...kEDDA

youtube links:

you'll love this...it's a GAS/H20 HYBRID SKYLINE!!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BmNn8TJfVQ&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXZakmw0jEI&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zkbao0Vppbw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...lated

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...lated


Modified by lightsout at 4:04 AM 5/25/2008

[cmoody2006]

Hey I've done all kinds of research on this stuff.... Its like this... I've built many hydrogen cell's as I call them Its pretty simple and you can use ordianary tap water out of your home faucet.... What it does it uses a process called electrolysis or how ever you spell it to break water down into hydrogen and oxygen.... Since you combine pump gas with oxygen in the combustion chamber you don't have to separate the gaseous vapors that are expelled from the water during this electrolysis process. You can have a bubble chamber to filter out any other contaminants that may travel into your intake. This really does work! We are running a trial version on my friend's dune buggy that we built. We have it set up to where it runs on 89 octane pump gas and one of our hydrogen cell's. It is amazing how there are hardly any emission's because when hydrogen combust's It creates water again there fore cleaning out your motor. The only draw back that we have found is that water will build up in your exhaust mainly your catalytic converter... We have drilled a small hole in the bottom to let the water drain out. You can build a hydrogen fuel cell for fairly cheap. I've got one in progress that I have ten bucks in.... including all the hoses to hook it up. I just need to find some more parts for it. Keep up the research and experiment with it. You can do simple experiments at home with it using a simple battery and a bucket of water. If you trap the gases in a balloon and hold a candle up next to it. The heat will melt the rubber balloon and bursting the hydrogen/oxygen mix into flames. It is possible to run any and every car off water with enough research and development. I'm currently working on trying to put a cell into my 240 to see what type of gas mileage I actually get and once I get some more parts ordered I'll be able to fine tune my engine to better use this alternative fuel. Caution tho..... Hydrogen is very very very very flammable! Be careful and take some precautions when using any electrolysis method's.

[danielekfuj]

there is a thread about this somewhere in the Q forum. people stopped replying to my posts though so its pretty dead. nvm it got revived. heres the link:

zer...age=4

[lightsout]

oooo...that's a niiice thread!!

thanks for all the information and great reading!!!

[AZ89two4Tsx]

Me and my dad are piecing one together to try out on his cherokee. I'll keep you updated and give you the outcome.

[lightsout]

sick, thanx!!

i hope your system works out great!!

[lightsout]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...lated

another NISSAN owner building his Hydrogen Cell!!!
Modified by lightsout at 2:40 AM 5/27/2008

[lightsout]

deleted for confidentiality of my own Hydrogen System design.

if it works
Modified by lightsout at 12:43 AM 5/30/2008

[cmoody2006]

Well the catalytic converter collects some of the carbon monoxide that is produced by the gasoline explosion inside the cylinders. Here's some more reading/video material youtube this guy's name..... Stan Meyer There is a whole series of videos about him. He came up with a version on his dune buggy that runs purely on hydrogen I couldn't tell you the exact pressure that you would need to run but its up there.... I seriously advise anyone and everyone to watch the Stan Meyer Killed parts 1 and 2. He was threatened several times by big oil company's to stop his research and was offered large sum's of money to either sit on his inventions and not let them hit mainstream media or sell the patents and to quit with his research. Its quite a story. He had the first fully hydrogen powered vehicle. Then he mysteriously came up missing.... I never caught up on the truth behind that part tho... Maybe one of you guy's can find that out. But Just thought I would give you some more things to look up.

[Nismo_Freak]

Why replace on global warming gas with another?

You realize that water vapor creates SIGNIFICANTLY greater insulation ability than CO, CO2, and the other global warming gases?

You want the planet to really start to warm up, get every car on the planet pumping out nothing but water vapor.

Nevermind the corrosion.

[Desmoquattro]

Here's a tip - we can all reduce CO2 AND water vapour emissions if we all stop breathing. I propose an Earth Hour II "An Hour of Silence". Everyone holds their breath for a full hour and we save the planet.

Actually my ulterior motive is I hope I can get all the green heads to hold their breath until they die, thus eliminating the whole global warming problem, which exists entirely in their heads. Whoops, did type that out loud?

Good luck to the hydrogenators, I hope you can make what has up to now been a crackpot scheme work. Seriously, if someone comes up with a cheap, safe and infinite source of usable hydrogen I and about a thousand billion dollar corporations will be knocking on your door. As James May pointed out, some of the greatest inventions of all time came out of a shed.

[lightsout]

post deleted for confidentiality of my own Hydrogen System design.

if it works

i'll post my design when it's done!!

Modified by lightsout at 1:13 AM 5/30/2008
Modified by lightsout at 3:11 AM 5/30/2008

[Urabus GodofTraction]

easy man...nobody said we want every car in the world burning H20 and putting the exhaust(water) on the ground or in the air. There is technology that is being researched right now that enables the exhaust(H20 and H20 vapors) to be recycled back into the engine, or fuel cell, for more power and MPL/MPG's.

so, because this technology works, there is an VAST amount of ways of harnessing the exhaust and using it to generate more power instead of letting the vapors out into the atmosphere.

also, i would take WATER EXHAUST over CARBON EXHAUST all day long!!!

The energy required to crack H2O into H2 and an oxygen is currently greater than the energy it produces.

Fuel cells don't burn water either. Hell, most of them don't even use hydrogen and oxygen. cmoody is misusing the term "fuel cell."

Good luck building an engine that runs on hydrogen. Google "intake backfire," you'll need to know. Also google "storing hydrogen safely at high pressures," while you'll also need to learn. Also take note of the fact that hydrogen contains less energy by volume than gas.

Also note: you're a gullible lemming.

[lightsout]

first off, no need to be rude and call people names b/c EVERYONE IS LEARNING...you don't have all the answers either.

second...there has been research on separating the H20 out of the exhaust and putting it back in the WATER TANK(you know, the tank that splits the H20 into HHO), then converting the heat from the exhaust into electricity, and storing it in a FUEL CELL, for use in a hydrogen & electric vehicle.

the hydrogen is not going to be stored in the car...it is going to be created in the H20 tank, and then injected into the intake manifold using computer controlled injectors(much like fuel injectors). Any excess hydrogen should be made back into H20 and then returned to the tank(s)

there are sooo many factors that go into building a hydrogen vehicle...don't assume that b/c we are here talking about it that we know nothing about it...like you have assumed. sarcasm doesn't get you anywhere my friend.

The energy required to crack H2O into H2 and an oxygen is currently greater than energy it produces.

Fuel cells don't burn water either. Hell, most of them don't even use hydrogen and oxygen. cmoody is misusing the term "fuel cell."

Good luck building an engine that runs on hydrogen. Google "intake backfire," you'll need to know. Also google "storing hydrogen safely at high pressures," while you'll also need to learn. Also take note of the fact that hydrogen contains less energy by volume than gas.

Also note: you're a gullible lemming.

[

[Urabus GodofTraction]

ZOMG What is that?!?!

[lightsout]

I have a unit nearly built. I need to make a few modifications and get a dc power converter, and then I'll be able to make a post of whether or not I've found it to work.

If it does, I'm going to draw up blueprints for a really GOOD looking one to put in my J30 (one that doesn't look like a Redneck put it in).

sweet...make a video of your current concept and youtube it, then post your video link here so we can OOOOOO and AAAHHH over it!!

[Speedy7_7]

IBTL

[lightsout]

You are just a big bucket of stupid arent you. If youll believe that website then Ill send you some emails about my status as a south african prince who needs your bank account number to wire you moneys. you can PM me with your personal info and ill send you money.

remember this...you didnt just say this to me you also said it to STAN MEYERS, and soo many brilliant minded people...YOU FOOL....Stan Meyers actually invented a 100% Hydrogen Car, with the hydrogen derived from a tank of H20 not a pressurized tank of Hydrogen...you're an idiot

i think your own hypocritical quote says it all....

GROW UP, you sound like a little peice of **** with a vendetta.....You're pathetic, get a life and learn how to deal with society.

And you do sound like a h0m0 douche bag.

if you only had a brain . Don't take it out on everyone else b/c your parents didn't love you, and raised you to be a thread whore

get off your ....and look at yourself in the mirror

douhe bag

...AND COME BACK WHEN YOU HAVE A NISSAN, it's called NICO for a reason.

take your ADHD fingers off the keyboard

[lightsout]

http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com...d.htm

[Speedy7_7]

remember this...you didnt just say this to me you also said it to STAN MEYERS, and soo many brilliant minded people...YOU FOOL....Stan Meyers actually invented a 100% Hydrogen Car, with the hydrogen derived from a tank of H20 not a pressurized tank of Hydrogen...you're an idiot

i think your own hypocritical quote says it all....

if you only had a brain . Don't take it out on everyone else b/c your parents didn't love you, and raised you to be a thread whore

get off your ....and look at yourself in the mirror ...AND COME BACK WHEN YOU HAVE A NISSAN, it's called NICO for a reason.

take your ADHD fingers off the keyboard

Have fun making it work, seriously, I will applaud when you do it. come on buy your $70 internet kit that ignores physics and do it.

And you quoted me from entirely different threads, way to go, you can search my name. The Vendetta post was more than deserved. Show me a picture or video of STAN MEYERS (god to you) doing this.

Why dont you come back to NICO when you can do something besides bolt on Carbon fiber body panels and a cold air intake on your Maxima. You are retarded, I cant believe your as old as it says you are, your about as gullible as a 13 year old girl with downs syndrome and a serious sweet tooth. Hydrogen is your candy, have fun being raped.
Modified by Speedy7_7 at 12:10 PM 5/29/2008

[Speedy7_7]

http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com...d.htm

WOW Very convincing, It was written on the internet with no supporting evidence. very believable.

Im not saying it can never happen, Im just saying it sure isnt going to happen now.

[lightsout]

WOW Very convincing, It was written on the internet with no supporting evidence. very believable.

Im not saying it can never happen, Im just saying it sure isnt going to happen now.

Nobody EVER said that it is going to happen now, people have said that they would like to try. The little "kit", as you like to call it, isn't nearly as efficient as it should be...so we agree on that. There are thousands of kit designs, and blueprints out there that need improvement, and this is one of them.

I'm not saying that I'm going to invent anything, sheesh...i'm just saying that it would be fun to try different experiments.

also, think about it, if major car manufacturers built a 100% hydrogen car/truck...why would they post up evidence b/c they don't have to prove it to anyone, they control the market basically. So when they show you their plans, you will believe...ha

i know that my quotes were from your other posts...i was simply showing everyone here on NICO how rude you are...that's all.

but seriously...after all your posting...i couldn't find one thing that was helpful for any nissan owner. you join a NISSAN/INFINITY forum, basically to call us all doushe bags, pump yourself up with WRX pride, and make fun of little girls that have Downs Syndrome...you have no heart

i don't think you saw the list of upgrades and repairs on my car...i did 98% of all the work so far, and have bigger and better plans. oh, i also have a F150 with a 16" lift suspension that I designed, fabricated, painted, and installed....but that's nothing special b/c their are plenty of fabricators where I live, and most of them are awesome

um...i've never said that i had any carbon fiber body panels...they are in my plans. I have done plenty to my car, and 98% of everything myself. i've taken performance engine rebuilding classes, 2.5 years of Auto Body & Suspension Fabrication, etc....all that just for fun, not a career path.I've done plenty of research, and am always learning something. Then i try and plug what i learn into NICO and other NISSAN sites b/c I like to help.

you just like to come on here with your pompous attitude and put people down

leave NICO, and come back when you are an adult that has integrity, self control, and something to contribute to the NICO society.

here's your link dumbass:

http://www.youtube.com/results..._type=

while you're at it, get some books about hydrogen...it may help you understand a little more, it did me some good!

don't expect them to give you the proof that you WANT, b/c you aren't going to find it on the internet...it's in a book that you didn't write, and that means that you have no "right" to see the evidence.

open your eyes you belong here> http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/

lets get something straight...Stan Meyers is not a god, just a smart average guy. God is God, and that is that.

[C-Kwik]

http://www.fuelsaving.info/hydrogen.htm

And:

"A pure stoichiometric mixture is most easily obtained by water electrolysis, which uses an electric current to dissociate the water molecules:

electrolysis: 2 H2O → 2 H2 + O2 combustion: 2 H2 + O2 → 2 H2O The energy required to generate the oxyhydrogen always exceeds the energy released by combusting it. (See Electrolysis of water:Efficiency)."

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O...s_gas

And:

"Water electrolysis does not convert 100% of the electrical energy into the chemical energy of hydrogen. The process requires more extreme potentials than what would be expected based on the cell's total reversible reduction potentials. This excess potential accounts for various forms of overpotential by which the extra energy is eventually lost as heat. For a well designed cell the largest overpotential is the reaction overpotential for the four electron oxidation of water to oxygen at the anode. An effective electrocatalyst to facilitate this reaction has not been developed. Platinum alloys are the default state of the art for this oxidation. The reverse reaction, the reduction of oxygen to water, is responsible for the greatest loss of efficiency in fuel cells. Developing a cheap effective electrocatalyst for this reaction would be a great advance.

The simpler two electron reaction to produce hydrogen at the cathode can be electrocatalyzed with almost no reaction overpotential by platinum or in theory a hydrogenase enzyme. If other, less effective, materials are used for the cathode then another large overpotential must be paid.

The energy efficiency of water electrolysis varies widely with the numbers cited below on the optimistic side. Some report 50–70%[2], while the theoretical maximum efficiency of the electrolysis of water is between 80–94%.[3] These values refer only to the efficiency of converting electrical energy into hydrogen's chemical energy. The energy lost in generating the electricity is not included. For instance, when considering a power plant that converts the heat of nuclear reactions into hydrogen via electrolysis, the total efficiency may be closer to 30–45%.[4]"

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E...iency

Do some research guys. There is plenty of information out there. But the basic rules for me are if it sounds too good to be true, it is. And if its so great, why aren't the manufacturers doing it?