If this guy is guilty ...

[szh]

... then there is a special even hotter place in Hell waiting for him.

http://time.com/2931366/hot-car-death-t ... -computer/

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[Dattebayo]

Better the punishment come now rather than from some archaic notion of the afterflife...

[szh]

Better the punishment come now rather than from some archaic notion of the afterflife...

Well, yes. But after we punish him appropriately if guilty, it would still be good for some extra heat forever ... if you believe in Heaven and Hell, of course.

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[Dattebayo]

Nobody leaves their child in a car for 7 hours and doesn't know about it without being completely guilty in some way.

[szh]

Nobody leaves their child in a car for 7 hours and doesn't know about it without being completely guilty in some way.

Yeah, you are most likely right ... barring any mental incapacitation issue on the part of the father. But we still need to prove it in a court, of course.

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[Dattebayo]

I should clear that up, what I meant was whether or not he knew the child was in the car for those seven hours, he's guilty anyway.

[szh]

I should clear that up, what I meant was whether or not he knew the child was in the car for those seven hours, he's guilty anyway.

Yes, certainly guilty of the act - that is clear! Perhaps it is the degree and/or intent that will play a role in any eventual sentencing. My reasoning for posting this and hoping that the sentence is harsh has to do with the intent ... if it was premeditated, then it is murder and should be sentenced (here and in Hell) accordingly.

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[Ajax]

I do not have kids, but I wonder: if I were in that situation, I'm not so sure I would allow the courts to determine my fate. I think I might seriously contemplate ending it all right then. ***This is not to say that I think that's what he should do!*** I have a hard time imagining myself seriously contemplating suicide, but that seems like one of the things that might push me to that extreme. Its a horrible thought no matter how you look at it.

[Rogue One]

I couldn't understand why his wife supported him, until it came out that she too had apparently looked up the same info.

Not buying his "I forgot" story, given the fact that he went out to his vehicle on his lunch break to put something in it. Are we really to believe he still didn't notice the car seat?

[szh]

I do not have kids, but I wonder: if I were in that situation, I'm not so sure I would allow the courts to determine my fate. I think I might seriously contemplate ending it all right then. ***This is not to say that I think that's what he should do!*** I have a hard time imagining myself seriously contemplating suicide, but that seems like one of the things that might push me to that extreme. Its a horrible thought no matter how you look at it.

And that sometimes happens even when a parent had no intent to kill their child (as may be the case with this Atlanta guy above ). I remember being very saddened to hear this story: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8540 ... tml?pg=all a while back

In this second guys shoes, I suspect I might have done the same thing ... even though I don't believe in suicide. Fortunately, my only son is now older (at 16 years), so not as closely dependent on semi-continuous adult supervision - that a few month old toddler might need.

I breathed a sigh of relief when my son made it past his early years to where he could articulate for help on his own. Even relatively trivial things like him needing a diaper changed and not knowing how to let us know till past a certain age, were educational experiences for us ... let along the dangers of heat prostration when locked in a car and not knowing what was going on, or what to do.

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[Looneybomber]

I couldn't understand why his wife supported him, until it came out that she too had apparently looked up the same info.

Just because someone googles something, doesn't mean they're guilty. You get overwhelmed with people on facebook saying "don't put leave your pet in your car" and you begin to wonder, hmm, how long would it take for the dog to die? They both talk about it at dinner and then they both search.

Not buying his "I forgot" story, given the fact that he went out to his vehicle on his lunch break to put something in it. Are we really to believe he still didn't notice the car seat?

I see my kids two weekends a month, but I still keep 2 car seats in my car. When they're always in there, they are easy to ignore?

I'm giving the guy the benefit of the doubt only because what motive would he have for killing his kid?

[Bubba1]

If this guy is guilty.... and gets convicted, karma will probably catch up to him quickly as child killers/abusers are not generally respected by fellow inmates.

It's a tragedy no matter how you look at it. But while the internet searches are probably not enough for a 1st degree murder conviction, as both a parent and multiple pet owner, I personally don't accept the "I forgot he/she was there" excuse. Forgetting a family member is not the same as forgetting one's wallet. It's not in dispute that at least the dad was responsible, but unfortunately, given our legal system, it's not a slam dunk he'll get convicted of 1st degree murder. He's lucky I won't be on his jury.

[Rogue One]

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

After leaving the restaurant, his next stop should have been to daycare, then work. The drive from the restaurant to his job takes 3-4 minutes, and yet he forgot about the kid that fast? For that matter, having forgotten to drop the kid off would mean he arrived at work earlier than planned, and that should have clued him in that something was amiss. If he arrived at work on time, it indicates he never intended to take the kid to daycare.

[numbnuts240]

different case, but appropriate outcome:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/22/nyreg ... .html?_r=0

[numbnuts240]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/04/justice/h ... rand-jury/

[szh]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/04/justice/h ... rand-jury/

Yeah, he has been indicted by a grand jury ... will stand trial. Unless he pleads guilty, of course.

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