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Nope, I don't agree with it. While I support free speech, I do not think that we should be so irresponsible as allowing too much to be aired publicly. Few parents keep tabs on what kids watch as it is. Even when they have cable. And even when they do, they don't always know what is going to happen. The Superbowl halftime show is a really good example of this. This tye of thing just opens up too many possibilities. I mean, what's to stop them from airing p0rn? I mean the line has to be drawn somewhere. I'd prefer to err somewhat conservatively when it involves our children.
If I have the need to watch something explicit, I will rent it, buy it, or find it on the internet.
If I have the need to watch something explicit, I will rent it, buy it, or find it on the internet.
I agree with C-Kwik, television, radio, and other forms of publically available media are explicit enough without an idea such as this one. Free speech is a great idea but really the first amendment is not about 100% free speech, it does not and should not mean you can stand in the middle of a road yelling **** for 4 hours straight and not get in trouble for it. This, is a stupid idea.
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FatMans240 wrote:
It was a tit dude.....
Yes.... to you and me it was just a tit. But to MILLIONS of parents in this country... who are WE to say that THEIR children should be exposed to that tit? I don't want my 3 year old seeing that... expecially if it's not under MY control.
Reasonable and responsible sensorship is NOT a bad thing. Being absolute about ANY right is a lousy idea.
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Right on.
I think people are taking censorship too seriously here. Just because your control what your kid sees on TV, doesn't mean their not going to be exposed to that kind of thing sooner or later......
Do you really think that by seeing a 1/2 second flash of a black womans ariola, your kid is gonna go out and smoke crack? WTF? I'm not seeing the problem with a tit. Would he/she even know what it is? Hey!.....Mommy has those!....thats EVIL?
The more it is a taboo, the more appealing it is. All you can do is teach right from wrong. This is a FACT. How you take it is your business. I'm not trying to start a POST WAR or anything, it's just how I feel.
Seems like when censorship issues come up, people take it to extremes eg: Free speech is a great idea but really the first amendment is not about 100% free speech, it does not and should not mean you can stand in the middle of a road yelling **** for 4 hours straight and not get in trouble for it.
thats ridiculous.....
I think people are taking censorship too seriously here. Just because your control what your kid sees on TV, doesn't mean their not going to be exposed to that kind of thing sooner or later......
Do you really think that by seeing a 1/2 second flash of a black womans ariola, your kid is gonna go out and smoke crack? WTF? I'm not seeing the problem with a tit. Would he/she even know what it is? Hey!.....Mommy has those!....thats EVIL?
The more it is a taboo, the more appealing it is. All you can do is teach right from wrong. This is a FACT. How you take it is your business. I'm not trying to start a POST WAR or anything, it's just how I feel.
Seems like when censorship issues come up, people take it to extremes eg: Free speech is a great idea but really the first amendment is not about 100% free speech, it does not and should not mean you can stand in the middle of a road yelling **** for 4 hours straight and not get in trouble for it.
thats ridiculous.....
Its also a very real possibility, the longer I live the crazier the things I see becoming the norm. I do not put it past society to make just about anything "ok". Really though, I realize that kids will see nekkidness, hell most teenage males have seen a ton of it 
However, during a childs formative years I just think that some restraint should be shown. I would prefer not to have to ban my children from any form of mass media or keep them sheltered indoors because of the tripe rampant in the public world. Its not like the FCC is trying to limit our freedom of speech or anything anyways, if anything we have more freedom of speech now than we ever have before. Can't anyone be happy with a single damned thing?
However, during a childs formative years I just think that some restraint should be shown. I would prefer not to have to ban my children from any form of mass media or keep them sheltered indoors because of the tripe rampant in the public world. Its not like the FCC is trying to limit our freedom of speech or anything anyways, if anything we have more freedom of speech now than we ever have before. Can't anyone be happy with a single damned thing?Breast feeding and that "performance" of Janets are two ENTIRELY different things. So different, I would venture to say they are incomparable. It WAS sexual nudity and I think if we removed the FCC, we would see a lot more of it. Lets face it, people are fascinated by sex I just think that public is not the place for it.
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So would you say that it would be okay for your 12 year old daughter to start flashing her tit all over the place? Kids grow up influenced so much by the TV as it is. Teaching right and wrong is one thing. Allowing our kids to be desensitized is another. No matter what your parents tell you, the culture around your children will have a large influence on them in the long run. You certainly can't expect a child to handle the responsibilities of an adult. A child should be given more and more responsibility as they grow older. In a similar fashion kids aren't necessarily ready to deal with adult topics so early in life. They should be eased into it to some extent. While I will say I see many parents going overboard and sheltering, their children, I don't think they should be thrown into adulthood. Public forms of media should be regulated more heavily. If your belief is that kids can and should watch anything, then you can buy cable, tune it to skinemax or pay for the PPV p0rn.
I agree it's a parent's right to choose how they raise their kids(to a reasonable limit), and yes, it is a fact that we are responsible for teaching them right and wrong. But it is also a fact that public channels are a highly accessible and highly available form of media. Most of the time, parents and children watch different shows on different TV's It's highly unpractical to have to sit in the same room with your children everytime they watch the TV. I understand your idealistic viewpoint, and to some extent, agree with the logic behind it, but in the real world ideology can only go so far. I've always maintained that stupid laws are for stupid people. Unfortunately, another fact is that we are all stupid people.
I agree it's a parent's right to choose how they raise their kids(to a reasonable limit), and yes, it is a fact that we are responsible for teaching them right and wrong. But it is also a fact that public channels are a highly accessible and highly available form of media. Most of the time, parents and children watch different shows on different TV's It's highly unpractical to have to sit in the same room with your children everytime they watch the TV. I understand your idealistic viewpoint, and to some extent, agree with the logic behind it, but in the real world ideology can only go so far. I've always maintained that stupid laws are for stupid people. Unfortunately, another fact is that we are all stupid people.
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Well, I have to say, that I agree with the FCC. I dont think that sort of stuff should be on network TV. If HBO wants to show lite p0rn late at night, that is fine as long as there are some parental control.
The superbowl incident was not appropriate. They shuld levy fines to the parties who were involved, that knowingly participated, if it was truely not an accident.
I do fully belive in the right to a free press and freedom of speach. They are two of the paramount freedoms we have here in the USA. But too far is too far. If you want to see her breast, buy what ever issue of Playboy she was in. But don't force the others who don't want to see it, and don't want their children exposed to it.
C-kwik, I have to say, I agree with you 100%.
The superbowl incident was not appropriate. They shuld levy fines to the parties who were involved, that knowingly participated, if it was truely not an accident.
I do fully belive in the right to a free press and freedom of speach. They are two of the paramount freedoms we have here in the USA. But too far is too far. If you want to see her breast, buy what ever issue of Playboy she was in. But don't force the others who don't want to see it, and don't want their children exposed to it.
C-kwik, I have to say, I agree with you 100%.
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Originally posted by dareo "]You dont want your 3 year old seeing that? Was your 3 year old by chance breast fed before? C'mon who hasnt seen a little boobie here and there.
When you have children you will realize that there are different levels of cognitive awareness at different ages. An infant feeding at his mother's breast is wholly unaware of any nakedness or anything beyond what is perfectly natural. Do YOU remember sucking your mom's tits? Beyond that... breast feeding is a mother and child... not some oversexed pop stars making an obscene visual statement on network television.
Trust me... 4 years ago I would have NEVER given the whole incident a second though... it was just a tit. But, I decide what is appropriate for MY children. To whatever extent I can control what they are exposed to I will. That is not to say that I am a parent that will shelter them from everything that could be conceived as obscene or risqué, but it is MY choice... not yours or Janet Jackson's.
Textbook example of non-sexual nudity. (*edit* Janet Jackson superbowl thing is the example, i didnt write that very clearly)
To you maybe it wasn't sexual or obscene... but I think a boy ripping the top off a woman and saying, "I'll have your clothes off before this song ends" (or something like that) might imply a certain tone of sexuality. Maybe I'm just nuts or something. :rolleyes
Bottom line... I don't judge you, and you can find all the nudity and obscenity you want (I sure do when I can!!), but I raise my kid the way I see fit... and that's not up to you OR the FCC. They just happen to be the governing body that makes my job a little easier.
When you have children you will realize that there are different levels of cognitive awareness at different ages. An infant feeding at his mother's breast is wholly unaware of any nakedness or anything beyond what is perfectly natural. Do YOU remember sucking your mom's tits? Beyond that... breast feeding is a mother and child... not some oversexed pop stars making an obscene visual statement on network television.
Trust me... 4 years ago I would have NEVER given the whole incident a second though... it was just a tit. But, I decide what is appropriate for MY children. To whatever extent I can control what they are exposed to I will. That is not to say that I am a parent that will shelter them from everything that could be conceived as obscene or risqué, but it is MY choice... not yours or Janet Jackson's.
Textbook example of non-sexual nudity. (*edit* Janet Jackson superbowl thing is the example, i didnt write that very clearly)
To you maybe it wasn't sexual or obscene... but I think a boy ripping the top off a woman and saying, "I'll have your clothes off before this song ends" (or something like that) might imply a certain tone of sexuality. Maybe I'm just nuts or something. :rolleyes
Bottom line... I don't judge you, and you can find all the nudity and obscenity you want (I sure do when I can!!), but I raise my kid the way I see fit... and that's not up to you OR the FCC. They just happen to be the governing body that makes my job a little easier.
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THIS REASONING IS WHY AMERICA IS LAUGHED AT, ITS ALSO THE REASON WHY AMERICA IS SO F'D UP. HAVE YOU BEEN OUTSIDE OF THIS COUNTRY? ALL OF EUROPE IS EXPOSED TO THIS DAILY...... HEL IN AMSTERDAM THEY HAVE NUDE ADVERTISEMENTS ON THE SIDE OF BUSES, CANADA SHOWS p0rn ON PUBLIC ACCESS TV, ENGLAND HAS FULL NUDE ADVERTISEMENTS ON TV, FRANCE AIRS UNEDITED EXPLICT MUSIC, PORTUGAL HAS NO RESTRICTIONS ON ITS FORMS OF ENTERTAINMENT.
PEOPLE NEED TO REALISE THAT HIDING THIS FROM KIDS IS STUPID.... WHY? HAVE YOU BEEN TO SCHOOL LATELY? HELL I WAS INTRODUCED TO p0rn IN 3RD GRADE, CUSSING IS DONE IN KINDERGARDEN, AND IF KIDS WANT TO SEE IT THEY HAVE TONS OF METHODS OF DOING SO. IF YOU HONESTLY FEEL THAT YOU CAN SHELTER YOUR KIDS FROM THIS STUFF, YOU ARE THE STUPIDEST PARENTS EVER. THIS STUFF WILL RUN RAMPANT NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY TO FIGHT IT. INSTEAD OF HIDING IT MAYBE YOU SHOULD TRY TALKING TO YOUR KIDS AND EXPLAINING IT TO THEM, LIKE A REAL PARENT SHOULD DO.
I'M NOT TRYING TO CRITIQUE ANYONES PARENTING SKILLS (BECUASE EACH FAMILY UNIT IS DIFFFERNT) BUT THIS STUFF YOU CAN'T HIDE, IT WILL COME OUT, AND WHEN YOUR KIDS REALIZE THAT THEY HAVE BEEN SHELTERED THERE WHOLE LIFES THE THREADS YOU INSTILLED IN THEM WILL UN RAVEL AND THEY WIL TRY AND FIND ALL THE THINGS YOU HID ANYWAY.
PEOPLE NEED TO REALISE THAT HIDING THIS FROM KIDS IS STUPID.... WHY? HAVE YOU BEEN TO SCHOOL LATELY? HELL I WAS INTRODUCED TO p0rn IN 3RD GRADE, CUSSING IS DONE IN KINDERGARDEN, AND IF KIDS WANT TO SEE IT THEY HAVE TONS OF METHODS OF DOING SO. IF YOU HONESTLY FEEL THAT YOU CAN SHELTER YOUR KIDS FROM THIS STUFF, YOU ARE THE STUPIDEST PARENTS EVER. THIS STUFF WILL RUN RAMPANT NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY TO FIGHT IT. INSTEAD OF HIDING IT MAYBE YOU SHOULD TRY TALKING TO YOUR KIDS AND EXPLAINING IT TO THEM, LIKE A REAL PARENT SHOULD DO.
I'M NOT TRYING TO CRITIQUE ANYONES PARENTING SKILLS (BECUASE EACH FAMILY UNIT IS DIFFFERNT) BUT THIS STUFF YOU CAN'T HIDE, IT WILL COME OUT, AND WHEN YOUR KIDS REALIZE THAT THEY HAVE BEEN SHELTERED THERE WHOLE LIFES THE THREADS YOU INSTILLED IN THEM WILL UN RAVEL AND THEY WIL TRY AND FIND ALL THE THINGS YOU HID ANYWAY.
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HELL YOU KNOW WHAT..... YOU GUYS ALL STRIVE TO SHELTER YOUR KIDS FROM NUDITY, YET YOU TURN ON THE NEWS EVERY NIGHT THAT SHOWS BLOOD, GUTS, AND GORE THAT ARE BY FAR MORE MENTALLY EFFECTING THAN NUDITY WILL EVER BE. I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS FIVE AND MY DAD WAS WATCHING THE NEWS THEY HAD SHOWN A CAR ACCIDENT IN WHICH A MANS HEAD WAS SEVERED, DID THEY BLUR ANYTHING...... NOPE THEY SHOWED AS MUCH AS THE POLICE WOULD ALLOW. I CAN STILL REMEMBER IT VIVIDLY AND IT STILL EFFECTS ME TODAY, HELL I REFUSE TO WATCH THE NEWS ANYMORE AS ALL IT DOES IS PRAY UPON THE UNFORTUNATE.
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Originally posted by PROJECTRB240SX "]THIS REASONING IS WHY AMERICA IS LAUGHED AT, ITS ALSO THE REASON WHY AMERICA IS SO F'D UP. HAVE YOU BEEN OUTSIDE OF THIS COUNTRY?
Yes...
ALL OF EUROPE IS EXPOSED TO THIS DAILY.....
Then obviously you haven't been to "all of Europe."
. HEL IN AMSTERDAM THEY HAVE NUDE ADVERTISEMENTS ON THE SIDE OF BUSES, CANADA SHOWS p0rn ON PUBLIC ACCESS TV, ENGLAND HAS FULL NUDE ADVERTISEMENTS ON TV, FRANCE AIRS UNEDITED EXPLICT MUSIC, PORTUGAL HAS NO RESTRICTIONS ON ITS FORMS OF ENTERTAINMENT.
Well splendid for them. I happen to live in the United States and I rather enjoy it here. The fact that you assume you know how I raise my son is interesting... and the fact that you think your Europe argument might influence my manner of raising children is just plain amusing.
PEOPLE NEED TO REALISE THAT HIDING THIS FROM KIDS IS STUPID.... WHY?
Perhaps you think it's stupid, I think it's prudent and responsible parenting. And nobody is HIDING anything from anyone, but I will exercise every bit of control I can over HOW these subjects are taught to my child. For you to suggest that someone else should have a say in this, is curious.
HAVE YOU BEEN TO SCHOOL LATELY? HELL I WAS INTRODUCED TO p0rn IN 3RD GRADE, CUSSING IS DONE IN KINDERGARDEN, AND IF KIDS WANT TO SEE IT THEY HAVE TONS OF METHODS OF DOING SO.
No kidding... you really are enlightened. Geez I never would have thought about that... thanks for pointing it out. :rolleyes
IF YOU HONESTLY FEEL THAT YOU CAN SHELTER YOUR KIDS FROM THIS STUFF, YOU ARE THE STUPIDEST PARENTS EVER.
If you honestly think I'm trying to "shelter" my child from truth and reality... then maybe you should direct that comment a little closer to home.
INSTEAD OF HIDING IT MAYBE YOU SHOULD TRY TALKING TO YOUR KIDS AND EXPLAINING IT TO THEM, LIKE A REAL PARENT SHOULD DO.
I'M NOT TRYING TO CRITIQUE ANYONES PARENTING SKILLS
Hrm... sure sounds like you are trying to do just that... I don't pass judgment on your lack of parenting skill... once you have one... then maybe we'll have an entirely different discussion. Oh trust me... I've been in your shoes before and I know exactly where you are coming from... but you haven't been in my shoes.
(BECUASE EACH FAMILY UNIT IS DIFFFERNT) BUT THIS STUFF YOU CAN'T HIDE, IT WILL COME OUT, AND WHEN YOUR KIDS REALIZE THAT THEY HAVE BEEN SHELTERED THERE WHOLE LIFES THE THREADS YOU INSTILLED IN THEM WILL UN RAVEL AND THEY WIL TRY AND FIND ALL THE THINGS YOU HID ANYWAY.
You are making some VERY erroneuos assumptions. I am tickled that you think you know better than I do what is best for my kids. And I will refrain from making judgments about how good of a job your parents did with you. Your attitude and ideas of "good" parenting speak volumes about that already.
I am not about to split hairs and try to explain or defend my morals to anyone, least of all someone who has an ill informed and irrelevant opinion.
Yes...
ALL OF EUROPE IS EXPOSED TO THIS DAILY.....
Then obviously you haven't been to "all of Europe."
. HEL IN AMSTERDAM THEY HAVE NUDE ADVERTISEMENTS ON THE SIDE OF BUSES, CANADA SHOWS p0rn ON PUBLIC ACCESS TV, ENGLAND HAS FULL NUDE ADVERTISEMENTS ON TV, FRANCE AIRS UNEDITED EXPLICT MUSIC, PORTUGAL HAS NO RESTRICTIONS ON ITS FORMS OF ENTERTAINMENT.
Well splendid for them. I happen to live in the United States and I rather enjoy it here. The fact that you assume you know how I raise my son is interesting... and the fact that you think your Europe argument might influence my manner of raising children is just plain amusing.
PEOPLE NEED TO REALISE THAT HIDING THIS FROM KIDS IS STUPID.... WHY?
Perhaps you think it's stupid, I think it's prudent and responsible parenting. And nobody is HIDING anything from anyone, but I will exercise every bit of control I can over HOW these subjects are taught to my child. For you to suggest that someone else should have a say in this, is curious.
HAVE YOU BEEN TO SCHOOL LATELY? HELL I WAS INTRODUCED TO p0rn IN 3RD GRADE, CUSSING IS DONE IN KINDERGARDEN, AND IF KIDS WANT TO SEE IT THEY HAVE TONS OF METHODS OF DOING SO.
No kidding... you really are enlightened. Geez I never would have thought about that... thanks for pointing it out. :rolleyes
IF YOU HONESTLY FEEL THAT YOU CAN SHELTER YOUR KIDS FROM THIS STUFF, YOU ARE THE STUPIDEST PARENTS EVER.
If you honestly think I'm trying to "shelter" my child from truth and reality... then maybe you should direct that comment a little closer to home.
INSTEAD OF HIDING IT MAYBE YOU SHOULD TRY TALKING TO YOUR KIDS AND EXPLAINING IT TO THEM, LIKE A REAL PARENT SHOULD DO.
I'M NOT TRYING TO CRITIQUE ANYONES PARENTING SKILLS
Hrm... sure sounds like you are trying to do just that... I don't pass judgment on your lack of parenting skill... once you have one... then maybe we'll have an entirely different discussion. Oh trust me... I've been in your shoes before and I know exactly where you are coming from... but you haven't been in my shoes.
(BECUASE EACH FAMILY UNIT IS DIFFFERNT) BUT THIS STUFF YOU CAN'T HIDE, IT WILL COME OUT, AND WHEN YOUR KIDS REALIZE THAT THEY HAVE BEEN SHELTERED THERE WHOLE LIFES THE THREADS YOU INSTILLED IN THEM WILL UN RAVEL AND THEY WIL TRY AND FIND ALL THE THINGS YOU HID ANYWAY.
You are making some VERY erroneuos assumptions. I am tickled that you think you know better than I do what is best for my kids. And I will refrain from making judgments about how good of a job your parents did with you. Your attitude and ideas of "good" parenting speak volumes about that already.
I am not about to split hairs and try to explain or defend my morals to anyone, least of all someone who has an ill informed and irrelevant opinion.
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Idon't mind the tits and youcan say whatever you want. It doesn't bother me. I just hate Howard Stern. He is a tired old shock jock that needs to be retired. This guy hasn't done anything fresh since...ever. Maby for teh first year but after that it just went in a loop and stayed there. I would much rather hear music than listen to this jerk off get some chick to deepthroat a sausage.
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"GOOD" PARENTING IS AN IDEA DIFFERNET BETWEEN PEOPLE. I HAVE NO SAY IN WHAT YOU DO TO YOUR KIDS OR HOW YOU RAISE THEM, I WOULDN'T WANT THAT ANYOTHER WAY. I'VE BENN TO 15 EUROPEAN COUNTRIES AND THEY ALL HAD "OPEN" ADVERTISEMENTS AND TV/RADIO PROGRAMS.
YOU CAN'T HIDE THESE THINGS AT SOME POINT IN TIME YOUR CHILD WILL COME ACROSS THIS.... WHAT DO YOU THINK THEIR REACTION WILL BE?
THIS IS AN ENDLESS DEBATE THAT NO SIDE WILL WIN. I DO KNOW I HAVE A VOICE AND I CHOOSE TO USE THAT VOICE TO WHAT I FEEL IS RIGHT, BECAUSE HONESTLY IN THE USA THERE IS NO RIGHT AND WRONG..... WE HAVE THE FREEDOM TO DECIDE WHAT IS RIGHT.
HEY AND IF RAISING YOUR BROTHER SINCE HE WAS 2 MONTHS ISN'T PARENTING THAN I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS.... TRY A HOME WHERE NO PARENT IS HOME AND WHEN THEY ARE THEY JUST DON'T CARE.
YOU CAN'T HIDE THESE THINGS AT SOME POINT IN TIME YOUR CHILD WILL COME ACROSS THIS.... WHAT DO YOU THINK THEIR REACTION WILL BE?
THIS IS AN ENDLESS DEBATE THAT NO SIDE WILL WIN. I DO KNOW I HAVE A VOICE AND I CHOOSE TO USE THAT VOICE TO WHAT I FEEL IS RIGHT, BECAUSE HONESTLY IN THE USA THERE IS NO RIGHT AND WRONG..... WE HAVE THE FREEDOM TO DECIDE WHAT IS RIGHT.
HEY AND IF RAISING YOUR BROTHER SINCE HE WAS 2 MONTHS ISN'T PARENTING THAN I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS.... TRY A HOME WHERE NO PARENT IS HOME AND WHEN THEY ARE THEY JUST DON'T CARE.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by PROJECTRB240SX "]YOU CAN'T HIDE THESE THINGS AT SOME POINT IN TIME YOUR CHILD WILL COME ACROSS THIS....
Umm, and what part of ANYTHING I've said would make you believe that I think otherwise?
I HAVE A VOICE AND I CHOOSE TO USE THAT VOICE TO WHAT I FEEL IS RIGHT,
Yes... we've noticed. Your irrelevant opinion has been duly noted. Thanks.
HEY AND IF RAISING YOUR BROTHER SINCE HE WAS 2 MONTHS ISN'T PARENTING THAN I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS....
That's precisely the problem, there is a HUGE difference.
TRY A HOME WHERE NO PARENT IS HOME AND WHEN THEY ARE THEY JUST DON'T CARE.
I would argue that this looks a little hypocritical. Are you suggesting that parents should exercise no control over their children's socialization... and in the same breath complaining about how your parents don't care? Weird.
Umm, and what part of ANYTHING I've said would make you believe that I think otherwise?
I HAVE A VOICE AND I CHOOSE TO USE THAT VOICE TO WHAT I FEEL IS RIGHT,
Yes... we've noticed. Your irrelevant opinion has been duly noted. Thanks.
HEY AND IF RAISING YOUR BROTHER SINCE HE WAS 2 MONTHS ISN'T PARENTING THAN I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS....
That's precisely the problem, there is a HUGE difference.
TRY A HOME WHERE NO PARENT IS HOME AND WHEN THEY ARE THEY JUST DON'T CARE.
I would argue that this looks a little hypocritical. Are you suggesting that parents should exercise no control over their children's socialization... and in the same breath complaining about how your parents don't care? Weird.
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NEVERMIND ITS NOT WORTH IT.... EACH PARENT IS DIFFERENT, AND EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO THEIR OWN STYLE OF "PROPER" RAISING.
HOW IS THERE A HUGE DIFFERENCE? I HAD TO WORK, CHANGE HIM, FEED HIM, TAKE HIM TO AND FROM SCHOOL, ETC. I'M NOT SAYING THAT A PARENT SHOULD EXCERCISE NO CONTROL, I'M SAYING THAT THERE ARE ALTERNATIVE METHODS TO HIDING THINGS. THERE ARE OTHER PARTS TO PARENTING THAT INVOLVES CARING....
HOW IS THERE A HUGE DIFFERENCE? I HAD TO WORK, CHANGE HIM, FEED HIM, TAKE HIM TO AND FROM SCHOOL, ETC. I'M NOT SAYING THAT A PARENT SHOULD EXCERCISE NO CONTROL, I'M SAYING THAT THERE ARE ALTERNATIVE METHODS TO HIDING THINGS. THERE ARE OTHER PARTS TO PARENTING THAT INVOLVES CARING....
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by PROJECTRB240SX "]NEVERMIND ITS NOT WORTH IT.... EACH PARENT IS DIFFERENT, AND EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO THEIR OWN STYLE OF "PROPER" RAISING.
Ahhh... you see, it IS worth it. Now we've come to a common understanding. It is pointless to argue morals. You have yours... I have mine. We pass those on to our children the best way we know how.
HOW IS THERE A HUGE DIFFERENCE?
It's not easy to explain. I have a brother too... and I love him, but it's just different... that's all.
I HAD TO WORK, CHANGE HIM, FEED HIM, TAKE HIM TO AND FROM SCHOOL, ETC.
That's a big part of it... but what I'm talking about is something a bit less tangible.
Ahhh... you see, it IS worth it. Now we've come to a common understanding. It is pointless to argue morals. You have yours... I have mine. We pass those on to our children the best way we know how.
HOW IS THERE A HUGE DIFFERENCE?
It's not easy to explain. I have a brother too... and I love him, but it's just different... that's all.
I HAD TO WORK, CHANGE HIM, FEED HIM, TAKE HIM TO AND FROM SCHOOL, ETC.
That's a big part of it... but what I'm talking about is something a bit less tangible.
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now I love tits probably a little more then the next man, but we probably shouldn't have them on the NON-cable channels.
I do however feel the USA Network should be allowed to show them, because they gotta do somehting to get people to watch right? and we pay for cable, so where's my money's worth damnit!
I do however feel the USA Network should be allowed to show them, because they gotta do somehting to get people to watch right? and we pay for cable, so where's my money's worth damnit!
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What a great thread!
I've gotta say, it does my old heart good to see the likes of Nate, Maine, C-kwik, dareo, Jester and spec STAND UP for what they believe to be right, even though it's unpopular and less "politically correct" every day. Bravo to you.
As far as raising kids, I have three. 12, 7 and 5. They're beautiful, respectful, and well-behaved. They also know VERY little if anything about sex (well, except for my 12-year old son, who I just had "the talk" with). And that's a GOOD thing.
Trust me, PROJECT, when you have children, (and I hope you are blessed with wonderful ones) I pray your 5-year-old daughter never comes to you and asks what a "hummer" is. Or worse yet, I hope your 6-year-old NEVER comes home to tell you he "saw a show at Timmy's house where a man was putting his mouth on another man's pen15". THAT, my friend, should NEVER NEVER happen to a child, but yet it does, every day across America.
You can now say the F-word on TV (any channel) as long as it's "bleeped". Gee, thanks, FCC. That helps a TON.
And lest you think I'm some raving puritan who only opposes sexual content, I'm fed up with the amount of violence as well. Hell, I'm weary of ALL the "drama" on TV that children are just NOT prepared to deal with. It's even on Disney Channel - They're all twittering around like morons talking about "who's kissing who". WHO CARES????
Childhood is supposed to be about riding bikes and catching tadpoles and skinned knees and best friends and climbing trees and collecting baseball cards and writing notes and playing dodgeball and developing character and leadership skills. Anyone want to argue that? I'm here all day. Bring it.
Here's the other thing: Who are the people ASKING for this kind of thing to be on TV? Do you know anyone who petitions the FCC, asking for MORE skin on TV? Anyone calling up CBS demanding MORE violence? Anyone asking Disney to write about MORE premarital sex? Anyone begging for more "reality" shows and MORE exploitation of the human weakness? Who are you? WHO ARE YOU? Speak up!
See, there are none, or very few.
Now - There are those among us who think we should just give in and give up, because "there's nothing you can do about it." Well guess what? It's a good thing YOU'RE not in charge, because that's a piss-poor attitude. Think about what would happen if Jonas Salk had that attitude? How about Harriet Tubman or Rosa Parks? How about Harry Truman? Or the passengers on the flight that went down in Pennsylvania on 9/11? Hell no - I applaud those who stand up and say, NO MORE! WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH!
On a side note: Stern is a clown, his schtick is tired and weak, he's a hypocrite* and he's desperately trying to remain relevant in a world that has passed him and his 1984 "shock". Not very confident in himself, given all the time he spends calling other radio personalities "imitators".
* Hypocrite = someone who supports the war in Iraq wholeheartedly a year ago, then turns 180 and starts lipping off about how the Pres is "hiding the truth". I called in to remind him that a MAJORITY of Democratic senators supported the bombing of Iraq, and they wouldn't let me on the air (chicken-crap).
You guys rock - Thanks for reading my rant. Love ya all.
I've gotta say, it does my old heart good to see the likes of Nate, Maine, C-kwik, dareo, Jester and spec STAND UP for what they believe to be right, even though it's unpopular and less "politically correct" every day. Bravo to you.
As far as raising kids, I have three. 12, 7 and 5. They're beautiful, respectful, and well-behaved. They also know VERY little if anything about sex (well, except for my 12-year old son, who I just had "the talk" with). And that's a GOOD thing.
Trust me, PROJECT, when you have children, (and I hope you are blessed with wonderful ones) I pray your 5-year-old daughter never comes to you and asks what a "hummer" is. Or worse yet, I hope your 6-year-old NEVER comes home to tell you he "saw a show at Timmy's house where a man was putting his mouth on another man's pen15". THAT, my friend, should NEVER NEVER happen to a child, but yet it does, every day across America.
You can now say the F-word on TV (any channel) as long as it's "bleeped". Gee, thanks, FCC. That helps a TON.
And lest you think I'm some raving puritan who only opposes sexual content, I'm fed up with the amount of violence as well. Hell, I'm weary of ALL the "drama" on TV that children are just NOT prepared to deal with. It's even on Disney Channel - They're all twittering around like morons talking about "who's kissing who". WHO CARES????
Childhood is supposed to be about riding bikes and catching tadpoles and skinned knees and best friends and climbing trees and collecting baseball cards and writing notes and playing dodgeball and developing character and leadership skills. Anyone want to argue that? I'm here all day. Bring it.
Here's the other thing: Who are the people ASKING for this kind of thing to be on TV? Do you know anyone who petitions the FCC, asking for MORE skin on TV? Anyone calling up CBS demanding MORE violence? Anyone asking Disney to write about MORE premarital sex? Anyone begging for more "reality" shows and MORE exploitation of the human weakness? Who are you? WHO ARE YOU? Speak up!
See, there are none, or very few.
Now - There are those among us who think we should just give in and give up, because "there's nothing you can do about it." Well guess what? It's a good thing YOU'RE not in charge, because that's a piss-poor attitude. Think about what would happen if Jonas Salk had that attitude? How about Harriet Tubman or Rosa Parks? How about Harry Truman? Or the passengers on the flight that went down in Pennsylvania on 9/11? Hell no - I applaud those who stand up and say, NO MORE! WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH!
On a side note: Stern is a clown, his schtick is tired and weak, he's a hypocrite* and he's desperately trying to remain relevant in a world that has passed him and his 1984 "shock". Not very confident in himself, given all the time he spends calling other radio personalities "imitators".
* Hypocrite = someone who supports the war in Iraq wholeheartedly a year ago, then turns 180 and starts lipping off about how the Pres is "hiding the truth". I called in to remind him that a MAJORITY of Democratic senators supported the bombing of Iraq, and they wouldn't let me on the air (chicken-crap).
You guys rock - Thanks for reading my rant. Love ya all.
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PROJECTRB240SX wrote:NEVERMIND ITS NOT WORTH IT.... EACH PARENT IS DIFFERENT, AND EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO THEIR OWN STYLE OF "PROPER" RAISING.
HOW IS THERE A HUGE DIFFERENCE? I HAD TO WORK, CHANGE HIM, FEED HIM, TAKE HIM TO AND FROM SCHOOL, ETC. I'M NOT SAYING THAT A PARENT SHOULD EXCERCISE NO CONTROL, I'M SAYING THAT THERE ARE ALTERNATIVE METHODS TO HIDING THINGS. THERE ARE OTHER PARTS TO PARENTING THAT INVOLVES CARING....
Noone says to necessarily hide things. But some discretion is necessary as to when you might expose a person to certain things. Even letting a child watch a horror movie can be detrimental if done too early. Not all kids will understand it's fake or will be able to handle it. That's why it is up to each parent to decide that. But parenting is hard enough as it is. It's just not practical for a parent to have to be in front of the TV with their kids all the time. And TV is still risque enough as it is. They keep pushing the limits. NYPD Blue has a nude scene seems like every episode I catch. Though it shows no nipples or genitals, it gets pretty damned close. I'd hate for kids to lose their innocense so early by being exposed to that all the time. Its natural that kids are going to start catching onto things or inadvertently be exposed to things that perhaps they are not ready for. But why make that so available.
I totally believe in the freedom of speech. We wouldn't be able to say what we are right now. But keep in mind that the primary purpose of that right is not simply to say anything, but keep in mind that in certain countries, if you say something inappropriate, you could be killed. We enjoy many freedoms and take them for granted. But it doesn't mean we should take advantage of it either. Nothing in life is ever truly black and white. It would be nice if it were that simple, but it's not. Being a responsible parent is not just about knowing or teaching right and wrong, but understanding that those lines will be crossed by all to some extent and that not everyone will perceive it the same way. We has humans have limitations as to how and what we can comprehend. We've all probably heard the phrase, "do as I say, not as I do." But the reality is subconsciously, it's hard to accept that. Especially for a child that is both highly influencable and generally will lack the experiences in life to fully comprehend consequenses of action. So if they see a parent or any adult figure smoking or drinking, will they not be curious? If they see a lot of people smoking and drinking, they will begin to become conditioned that it is okay. That is generally the same with anything else. I know so many people that started smoking and drinking before they were really ready. Many can't quit smoking. Many have had DUI's and had financial hardships from it. I can't imagine that TV had nothing to do with how they got started.
As far as parenting in General, There are many parents that should never have had kids. I don't agree with sheltering kids and I don't agree with giving them free reign to see anything and everything out there. There must be a balance and it should be progressively changing as their maturity level increases.
I understand the principle of the free speech argument. I am a firm believer in principles. I like to think in ideological terms. But I am very aware of reality and the repercussions that occur as a result of our inability to forsee these things. Think about the bigger picture and perhaps even the insignificance of what you are asking for. Do you really need to be able to see a tit on TV? Is it THAT important to you? It just seems petty to me.