How to properly rip up a Quran - A Tea Party Tutorial

[heliochrome85]

why am i not surprised?
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.c ... ?ref=fpblg

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[heliochrome85]

whats saddest, is that there are muslims who have fought to protect this guys freedom of speech. you can visit them at arlington national cemetary.

[s0m3th1ngAZ]

Can we put Christians on the hot seat for the way they are treating the Muslims in this country? No? s***.

[heliochrome85]

its not a christian thing.
its a conservative thing.

[dusred]

its not a christian thing.
its a conservative thing.
it's not a tea party thing

FTFY

Just because some idiots are doing someting stupid under the tea party name it doesn't mean it's a Tea Party thing.

Why don't you have a problem when someone rips up the bible, Helio?

[heliochrome85]

i do have a problem. i have a stack of them sitting on my bookshelf at home. it always disgusted me the people who threw away the bibles that were handed out in college.

and yes, it is a tea party thing. grow up.

[mattblancarte]

BREAKING NEWS: TEA PARTY LEADERS ARE f*** IDIOTS

[dusred]

and yes, it is a tea party thing. grow up.

Prove that it is.

[heliochrome85]

and yes, it is a tea party thing. grow up.

Prove that it is.

how much more proof do you need when you have the head of the tea party express being outed for his racist comments
you have the manual to glenn becks tea party rally talking about avoiding the darker parts of DC
youve got this
youve got every major Tea Party candidate hitting all the hot button anti-immigrant, anti-ethnic issues like the mosque, like immigration, like the fact obama has a mixed heritage, and that his supporters are largely blacks.

oh
and this video

you have already admitted that you dont research your opinions. why should i have to defend myself when questioned by a guy who couldnt be bothered to form an educated opinion?

[Cold_Zero]

its not a christian thing.
its a conservative thing.

Thank you for not falling into that trap.

here is my question, don't muslims believe that only the Arabic version of Quran is holy? so burning the english version be an insult/ sacrilege?

[dusred]

how much more proof do you need when you have the head of the tea party express being outed for his racist comments

The Tea Party Express is a small part of the Tea Party movement. As far as I'm concerned the Tea Party doesn't have a specific leader but is a group of people who are tired of being bullied around by their elected leaders. The Tea Party Express is a self proclaimed organization and doesn't represent the opinions of the majority Tea Party activists.

youve got every major Tea Party candidate hitting all the hot button anti-immigrant,

For the love of [insert your gods name here] HOW CAN I GET THIS THROUGH YOUR HEAD!?! WE ARE NOT ANTI-IMMIGRANT! We are anti-illegal immigrant. Just in case you didn't catch that I'll put it in big bold letters here: Illegal. did you catch that? I love immigrants. Let them come. America is the land of opportunity. BUT I WANT THEM TO COME HERE LEGALLY!!! If the law is too harsh lets repeal it but for the love of heaven lets follow the established law. Laws are here for a reason.

[quote="Helio]anti-ethnic issues like the mosque,[/quote]
I'm assuming you're of the Islamic faith so I don't feel I can have a reasonable debate with you on this. Personally, I'm torn on the Mosque issue. If I had a friend or family member die in the 9/11 attacks I might have a more firm opinion. However, I don't think this has anything to do with the Tea Party. I think this is an issue with Americans in general and not just the Tea Party.

and that his supporters are largely blacks.

No. That argument is that out of the black community the vast majority are Obama supporters. Whether it is a coincidence that most blacks support him and the fact that he is part black is up to you and me to draw our own conclusions. I'd say there are more whites that support him than blacks. As far as I'm concerned we're all Father Adam's children and shouldn't be distinguished by our race. (puts flame suit on)

you have already admitted that you dont research your opinions. why should i have to defend myself when questioned by a guy who couldnt be bothered to form an educated opinion?

I've said no such thing. I said I don't get my opinion from any particular source. I read the facts of the matter and make my own opinion. You get your opinions from Jon Stewart and other biased "educated opinions". I could say I get my opinions from Fox News and you would murder me for getting my opinions from them (zomg fox news). I can make my own educated opinion. I can read several articles on a particular subject, gleam the facts out of the manure pile, and make my own opinion. I can read a Fox News article and then read a CNN article are sometimes get a somewhat accurate view of the raw facts (hypothetical scenario) . You always seem to get your panties in a bunch over my posts primarily because I disagree with you, then you blame it on me being ignorant and a Republican kool-aid drinker who pulls opinions out of my a**. I could just as easily say you were a Democrat Kool-Aid drinker who pulls s*** out of your a** (pun intended).


The Tea Party is not racist. Does it have some racist members? Yes. Does it have some bigoted, twisted, Muslim hating members? Yes. It is just like any other political group. Don't judge the group as a whole by a few nut-case members in it. I like to consider myself a Tea Party member and I 120% disagree with that video and think that what they are doing is totally wrong.

[AZhitman]

^ Not bad.

I don't know much, but I know this: Debating Tariq demands your A-game. Bring it or stay home.

On a side note, I'm reminded of something that a few of you pointed out to me a while back: Getting outraged only lends power to their idiotic behavior. If people can burn our flag, people can shred a Quran. We don't have to like it, and we don't have to allow it where laws prohibit it, but we do have to respect their right to do so.

Welcome to the Land of Equal Opportunity - We're mean to everyone. Fatties, Asians, freckled, skinnies, Jews, redhead, Arabs, hippies, blondes, harelips, stoners, Blacks, retards, old folks, Mulattos, nerds, Sikhs and lawyers.

[AZhitman]

Can we put Christians on the hot seat for the way they are treating the Muslims in this country? No? s***.

That's a dumb statement.

One, there's no "hot seat". Two, you're buying a media-fabricated sensationalist story. Three, Muslims aren't universally treated poorly in America. Four, Christians aren't responsible for all alleged "mistreatment".

Quit drinking the Kool-Aid. It's poisonous.

[s0m3th1ngAZ]

If you watched the video...he mentions placing the muslims on the hot seat. True, they aren't universally hated but, disregarding pagans, the majority of Americans harbor a mistrust at the very least.
I was just being sensationalist in response to the same. It wasn't really serious statement.

[AZhitman]

Ah, my bad - I didn't know you were referencing a statement they made in the video. Sorry 'bout that.

I don't even think your "mistrust" statement is accurate, but that's one we'll never really know.

[IBCoupe]

We are anti-illegal immigrant.

s***. You don't speak for the Tea Party either. Keep your big government dreams to yourself.

[stebo0728]

More proof ... people are stupid.

I have to ask tho, is there no distinction between not wanting people moving here at all, and not wanting people moving here illegally and being ignored? No dus nor I speak for the tea party, but I do align largely with alot of their idealogy, and I can speak for myself when I say I am ONLY against ILLEGAL immigration. Being against immigration in general would be tantamount to being anti american, to being against what made this country what it is now.

As far as the "hot seat" put anyone who does something stupid in whatever seat you like, but please dont make me sit in it too.

[IBCoupe]

From a libertarian perspective, stebo, no. There's no difference. Government shouldn't be getting in the way of what individuals can do when those individuals harm no one.

[heliochrome85]

oh i try not to get all offended, but sometimes i just come across something that flys directly in the face of the line of s*** that some people here purport to be the truth.

[stebo0728]

From a libertarian perspective, stebo, no. There's no difference. Government shouldn't be getting in the way of what individuals can do when those individuals harm no one.

Does libertarianism seek to usurp the constitution then? Or just to get some of the overbearing laws imposed by the government removed?

Look libertarianism is great, up to a point. I mean a strictly devout libertarian should have no problem with ANYTHING as long as no one else is harmed right? Still we have a common thread of morality here, even though that envelope is being pushed constantly, still some basic thread remains, and some sort of soft morality thread must exist to keep us a civilized society.

Also, I view America and what she has to offer, and a renewable but limited resource. And what do you have with any limited resource? A need for rationing right? Access to the opportunity here has to be rationed, and we have constitutional measures meant to handle this, this is why there are immigration laws in the first place. We have stretched our resource too thin already by looking the other way from people BREAKING OUR OWN LAWS by being here. I dont think your everyday ACME brand libertarian would agree with your assessment.

And actually you reference "harm no one". In actuality every illegal immigrant harms everyone else here in some indirect way the moment they enter this country illegally. Some people have their tax money spent unnecessarily on them, so people are missing employement opportunities because of them. Some people lose their lives because of them. Is this directly because they came here illegally? Some of it yes, the killing no, anyone can kill someone regardless of legal status i understand that, but still the question remains, would said person have been killed had the illegal not been here? Well if they were douche someone else may have killed em anyway who knows.

[IBCoupe]

I harm everyone by breathing in oxygen that could be used by other people.

Does libertarianism seek to usurp the constitution then?

I'm not sure which parts of the Constitution would be usurped by libertarianism.

[AZhitman]

I harm everyone by breathing in oxygen that could be used by other people.

Methinks you credit yourself too much... you're just as insignificant as the rest of us.

[IBCoupe]

It's good to feel normal.

[stebo0728]

I harm everyone by breathing in oxygen that could be used by other people.

Yah but you breath back out CO2, so your also killing the environment, double shame. We need to put a scrubber on your exhaust i guess, so that your EPA approved.

Does libertarianism seek to usurp the constitution then?

I'm not sure which parts of the Constitution would be usurped by libertarianism.

I dont know specifically either because currently I only asked the question in a generalized fashion. That question could be more specifically answered when we encounter something being changed that in fact would undermine the constitution.

[IBCoupe]

Being that the Constitution exists to restrict government power, I'm not sure there's ever a situation where libertarian viewpoints are ever in conflict with it.

[audtatious]

What a stupid video. Us bigots/racists all know you first shoot it a few times with a shotgun before burning it in your still.

sheesh.

[smockers83]

To me, there is the real Tea Party and those that think they're the Tea Party. This would be the latter. Even if this were all one party, as always in every party, you're going to have your radicals. The Dems have Nancy Pelosi, Republicans had Cheney, the Tea Party has these kinds of folks.

No matter how offensive the language may be, it is freedom of speech. In the state of Michigan, we have a gay issue on our hands. The issue may be downright offensive to some, but we as a society have to learn to tolerate this stuff just as much as they offensive party needs to learn to tolerate those they are offending.