How to install 2 exhaust cams and MSD ignition?

[crusader33x]

HEllo! I just wanted to say im really enjoying NA KA power and am almost done with my engine (well what i can be "satisfied with without getting too crazy) and i have 2 help requests:

i have waht the seller told me are 2 91' exhaust cams, how do i install the exhuast into the intake side?

and

i have a sport compact universal MSD 6300 series ignition, but after readint the install guide on the site i still have no clue what to do since it onyl shows a honda engine in the manual!

all help is appreciated, thanks!!

[AZhitman]

Welcome aboard!!!

zerothread?id=158170

[Chezedik]

Well, searching would do wonders. But you are a noob and you will hear that a lot, so I guess I got to be the first, YIPEE!! Seriously, the intake side will go four teeth counter clockwise from the right starting position. Just be sure that when the engine is at TDC you set them so they are 180 out on each other. On the MSD, I am not sure, I might entertain a trade for the MSD for my Jacob's i.C.E. Pak.

[crusader33x]

Thank you for the cams INSTALL!!! woot woot!

ill definitely keep you guys updated as i work on this, either this or ext weekend i should have time to do it!

now i just need help with the MSD!!

thanks again for the help and the weloming!!

[Chezedik]

Maybe check some of the stickys. I would think it would be somewhere on here. Or maybe at 240sx.org. It shouldn't be real tough though, just find an FSM. The Jacob's is plug and play, so I can't really help.

[crusader33x]

thanks! i've searched a bit, but havent found anything, but i will keep trying, i just find it amazing that hardly anyone has installed an MSD ignition in their KA !!? but i guess not many tune the KA, but yeah, more help please!! thanks

by the way, heres what i have and the instructions to the "universal" install i hope you guys can give me more detailed tips! thanks:

http://www.msdignition.com/sci_6.htm

[InsanityInc]

Leave the MSD off. Unless you've done significant work to your engine (exhaust cam-> intake cam is not significant work), the MSD does nothing.

[AZhitman]

^ Agreed.

Sell that sucker and buy a header or catback.

Much more bang for the buck on a KA.

[Chezedik]

Looks pretty simple. First, do you have a S13 or S14?

[crusader33x]

well i totally understand where you guys are coming from, but i do have other mods on my KA, and im trying to get the full potential i can out of the KA as far as my money lets me!! i already have intake, catback, header and loads of other stuff!! and after i get a few more stuff on (including this MSD) i will post a full list of mods and a respective dyno pull chart for all the KA fans!!

Chezdik: simple? im glad you are confident on being able to help me!! i have an s14!!

[nismopu]

I would think a EDIS system and full engine management system would be money more well spent than that MSD system.

[crusader33x]

ok ok whatever, but what does that have to do with an MSD install?!?! i want to install the freakin MSD ignition!! not regret the purchase!! an EDIS, are you serious? where can u get something like that for the KA ? as far as full engine management system, again im limited with my budget, my safc is good neouhg for now

[Chezedik]

First, here is where you can find an FSM for your car:

http://www.zeroyon.com/index/content/view/24/47/

Second, you will need to order part number 8803 from MSD, or source a cap that will let you use an external coil. Possibly from Jacob's Electronics. If you do not already have a blaster coil or something like it, get one, you need it. You also need better wires for use with this system. Instructions for 8803 are listed in the instructions.

Wiring: Note - sources are EC-106 of the FSM for the 95 (all should be similar, but if you are uncertain, just ask), and the page of your instructions for General Import wiring.

Connect light red wire (lower gauge than heavy red) to the black wire with the red stripe.

Connect light white wire to the to the Light Green and Black wire after the resistor in the distributor.

Heavy red wire will be for power B+ to the box, and Heavy Black will be for GRND. I would HIGHLY suggest you fuse your MSD so you don't waste your money if you mess something up./

Orange will be to the positive side of your aftermarket coil, and the light black wire will be to the ground side of that coil.

The wire for Magnetic Pickup will not be used (the KA doesn't use a magnetic pickup). Also, you should not need the tach output wire. In most cases it has shown not to be necessary.

As with all wiring projects of this nature, do NOT use butt connectors, you want to use soldier, dielectric grease and heat shrink, or at least Tartan-44 electrical tape (don't use cheap tape!) Of course, as mentioned, I have an i.C.E. Pak box that I would entertain trading for this and whatever coil you have. Naturally, it would be straight up, pay our own shipping. The advantage to the i.C.E. Pak is that it has a primary trigger already wired to the box. This means you can just run a spark plug wire from your stock ignition to trigger the aftermarket box. This means no wiring. I hope that helps, and please let me know if you are interested via email.

[InsanityInc]

well i totally understand where you guys are coming from, but i do have other mods on my KA, and im trying to get the full potential i can out of the KA as far as my money lets me!! i already have intake, catback, header and loads of other stuff!! and after i get a few more stuff on (including this MSD) i will post a full list of mods and a respective dyno pull chart for all the KA fans!!

Chezdik: simple? im glad you are confident on being able to help me!! i have an s14!!

Unless your car is literally misfiring during WOT at higher RPMs, you don't need the MSD and it will do nothing for your power.

[crusader33x]

SWEEEET!! FSM I HAVE BEEN SEARCHING FOR FOR YEARS!! THANKS! but yeah, thanks for the install guide, whew i didnt think i would need more parts, ill look everything up and decide whether or not to install it then!! thanks everyone

[Chezedik]

Yeah, there is no way around 8830, and the tach adapter is 8910. Again, if you want it I will trade.

[crusader33x]

so if i was gonna do the insall, i need the part 8910, now what trade did you want to make?

thanks

[JNM240]

If you have a DOHC motor, you do NOT need the tach adapter for the MSD ignition. The MSD uses a 12v tach signal, as does the DOHC's gauge. The SOHC, on the other hand, uses a 6v signal, so the tach adapter is required to convert the MSDs signal to 6v.

[crusader33x]

see, thats why i am confused!! i actually just got a reply from someone at MSD and they said that i DO need part 8910?!?! i dunno hes supposed to re email me new istructions and diagrams or what not.. i just hope they are not ripping me off tryna sell me more stuff

[Chezedik]

I know MSD says it but I don't know if it's true. I think they are trying to sell another part. What I was proposing was my i.C.E. Pak and coil for your MSD and coil. They said I needed 8910 on my last one. It worked without it. Anyway, let me know. It is basically ignition for ignition. Mine is much more in retail $, but it's used. So let me know. The i.C.E. Pak at one time was 400+. But Jacob's guarenteed +16 HP for what it's worth (I would be VERY surprised). In case you are wondering what is in it for me, Soft Touch Rev Limiter. Jacob's uses the stock limiter. When I am turbo I would rather have a spark cut than a fuel cut.

[crusader33x]

hmmm all this stuff just made me depressed........ i no longer want to use any ignition parts........i'll just prolly sell it, its easier that way.......so yeah $200 if anyone wants it, i would trade but id be stuck again with no one to help me install

[Chezedik]

Fair enough, if you change your mind, email me.

EDIT: install on the ice pak is this, use ignition wire from stock coil to secondary trigger, and run wire from aftermarket coil to cap. This is a plug and play ignition.