How to do Twins right the first time!!!

[GOING DEEP]

How to do Twins right the first time!!!

Okay, first of all I am talking about Twin Turbos, not doing "twins". There's other websites for that

Now, some background...as many of us Z owners striving to seek more and more power out of our stock engine, I decided to buy a GReddy TT kit. Had it professionally installed and about a month later...catatrophic engine damage. I broke connecting rod #2 and subsequently it put two windows in my block. So, I decided do it right and do a forged internal build up and I am only days away from finally have it done. But this thread is not about MY build up, its about YOUR build up. I have put together a good plan on how to go about an engine build up AND forced induction to your Z.

First, the price of admission. For those of you that would like to go Venture in the land of boost, the price of admission is a steep one....but well worth the cost!!!

If I had to do it all over....to minimize the time your Z is in the shop and to minimize the TOTAL labor costs and not risking blowing an engine...

I would buy the following in this order...



Buy the following in this order...

1. A short block, this is basically just an engine w/o heads and a crank. See item 1. Since the block is brand new, you don't have to worry about buying a used short block and how it became a used short block. Believe or not, the small block will cost only about 1300. I say only, because this will become your build up engine. From here, you can sleeve it with AEBS only if you plan to exceed 600rwhp. Once you're reaching these power levels, you are in uncharted terroritory that less than a handful have ventured into. This of course will be inherently risky to venture where no one else has any experience.

2. Next, you buy a crankshaft. item 27. This will cost you about 550. Now, that you have a block and crank, you can get the bearing codes for the rods and mains and...

3. Buy the 12 rod bearings item 25 (there sold in halves) and order the 4 main bearings. This will only set you back about 200. You got off easy in this step. But there's more...

4. Now, pistons and rods. You shouldn't spend more than 2k here if you shop around. My suggestion would be to stay less than 9.5:1 compression ratio. In the simplest terms here...the lower the compression ratio, the higher psi you can run. The trade off, there would be a little more of a delay in reaching your peak hp in your power band. But, you will be less likely to run into detonation issues. Personally, I wanted 9:1, but ended up with 8.6:1 due to supply issues of pistons.

5. Okay, now you have a short block, crank, rods, bearings, and pistons. But a couple more internal parts to buy, ARP head studs and main studs. These should run you about 450 for the studs. There are 16 head studs and 16 main studs.

Now, you have reached a point where you can ship these parts to a reputable builder and they can build your engine. Make sure this shop has built one before and their machine shop has worked on a VQ-35DE. THIS IS CRUICIAL. Now they can double check the clearances of your bearings and you have a "built" bottom end engine. One more thing to possibly consider in this step is to get a thermo coat on your pistons and bearings. There is debate on the longevity of the coat, but it doesn't cost too much though. Whats another few hundred bucks.

6. Okay, now this is the step, not step 1, is when you buy your favorite TT or single Turbo or Super charger that you have been having dirty fantasies about when no one is looking. Depending on the brand, each will have something or another you must buy separately. If you've made it this far, you would have researched the shortcomings of your particuler kit. At this point you should consider thermo coating your turbo exhaust manifolds and exhaust turbine. This will allow you to keep engine temps down and keep the hot gases inside hot.

7. Now, you are in a really good position to start your build. But, a few more things to buy...of course. There's always something else to buy! But, the good news is that the remainder of the stuff is usually kept in stock.

NGk plugs...75boost controller...450Gauges....300-1200 (depending on number and type, + install)Clutch....1k-2k (depending on brand, and you might as well do it while the engine is out)Fuel sys upgrade...1k (or it you get APS, its in the price tag already)Larger fuel injectors...500Thermal coating.....300 This could be on pistons, bearings, or turbo "hot" parts

8. Once you get back your "built" engine, which would probably take 6-8 weeks if you're lucky. You can now drop off your Z at a good and reputable shop, and they can swap out the engines and install your TT at the same time. MAKE SURE YOU GET A GOOD ESTIMATE OF ALL COSTS INVOLVED AND GET IT IN WRITING ALONG WITH A COMPLETION DATE!!! Okay, enough with the yelling, lets continue. From here, this should take less than a month. So, your Z sat in a shop for less than a month and you have a built engine with TT. AND you were able to minimize downtime, costs, and you even spread out the costs of buying parts and the TT.

9. What do you do with your original short block? No, it does not become a new table in your nook by your kitchen!!! You will be able to sell it to the next guy. And he can still follow the plan I just laid out.

10. So, you read this part and now you are thinking I'm nuts or maybe the price of admission is very high. Well, you're right on both accounts. No, but seriously, this is the best way to go about it especially if....a. You don't want to have your Z in a shop for 2-3 MONTHSb. Your Z is a daily driverc. Dont think you can take a short cut and just do TTs on stock internals. Come on now, that engine puts down 235rwhp and not designed to handle 350+rwhp! d. You can't wait to read my kill stories again. Sorry, got off topic.

Now for the short list, yes it does exists. If you don't want to listen to the advice above, at least buy these at the bare minimum:

Connecting rodsPistons ARP Main studs/Head studsRod+Main, BearingsOverhaul Gasket KitRear Main Oil Seal NGK one step colder plugsBoost gaugeOil Press gaugeEGT GaugeAFR gaugeClutch UpgradedAnd the following depending on boost levels:AAM Fuel Return SystemBigger fuel injectors

Okay, you survived reading my post. I hope I have taught you a couple of things along the way and as always I more than welcome questions, comments, corrections, and money. J/K. We are all here to learn about those wonderful little money pits we call "Our Zs".

[PalmerWMD]

Awesome write-up!Deserves a Sticky!

Fred..

[GOING DEEP]

Thanks, its tough to make a write up where you want to include details, but yet not too many details to make it general for FI.

[hatebobbarker]

im just buying the PE kit because no one has blown on it yet.

[NIZMO11]

We have installed plenty of the Power Enterprise turbo kits for the 350, and have had great success with them. We even sell them installed on cars in our showroom to be sold through the dealership (w/warranty).The boost levels are very safe and spiking is kept to a minimum. I very strongly suggest sleaving your block if you are looking for a reliable engine in the 400+ hp range. You do not absolutely have to have them at 400 but we all know that when you reach that point it never seems like enough. Cooling also becomes a problem (cavitation etc. ), and can ruin a perfectly good engine, so another common add on is the Nismo high pressure coolent cap and the Nismo thermostat which opens much sooner. CP pistons and Carillo rods are also a commen favorite with our customers and their success rate with cometic head gaskets makes all the difference. If anyone in the NYC/Long Island area wants to come down and get a better look at our operation, please call me using my number below.

- Nick Anastasi.Performance Motorsport, NY516-942-2996

[PalmerWMD]

Nick,thats good stuff feel free to stop by some more..

Fred..

[ZeeOne]

Hey ernie,

That was a well thought out write-up. Looks like I am out of commission for a bit. My zee is presently sitting at Performance Motorsports waiting to be revived.

It could be touch and go, to have a blower, with stock internals and tracking.

Looking forward to see you and Paul up at Pocono raceway August 6

G

[neo76201]

go here http://www.speedforceracing.co...r.phpand you can get a short block already built with arias pistons with your choice of compression and pauter rods for $3900 and they will do head work too.

[Foxxy]

Good effort!

[fukjdm]

nice

[TRBOMOFO]

very nice write up i want to go buy a 350 now

[TenTill4Z]

very nice write up i want to go buy a 350 now

Nah stick with your strawberry face. Sil-Fifteen Eighty FTW.

[NewNismo]

Awsome write up!

[Pycakmark]

i wonder how to do quad turbos and 6, 8 turbos.

[coupe240sxguy]

i wonder how to do quad turbos and 6, 8 turbos.

no point... to much lag. good thought though

[MI 35th]

Ive read this before! LOL, this is the same one as in my350z. going deep you two timing us. LOL.

[chea!!]

do you know any one who bought this bottom and if its a good dealthanks

[FAIRLY Z]

Awesome! I'll definitely use this to my advantage when I do my TT setup.

[modified350z]

Well first off your are now going in the wright direction. I did everything internally I could before adding twins and also have a Zex 2 stage nitrous kit on my car with a 200 shot nozzle. I will give you the link to my personal site that not only gives pics, but also all the stuff I had to do to get 680hp out of my Z and still be street legal. I hope it helps to let you know that you can run that much power and also add a little juice to it also. If you like it , Z. http://www.webspawner.com/users/drewh24/
Modified by modified350z at 11:49 PM 10/17/2007

[tiger]

im curious and want to know where I can find an FSM for the VQ35de, I think it would be an awesome project to do later in life when I finally get a house and garage.

[ZUL8ERmark]

great wright up just one ? how did you make the two windows in your block turned the boost over 8psi or somthing or it just couldnt take it wonderin why because all the kits i have read say its fine with a stock block as long as you run low boost now yes im am building but i was just going to get the kit and start there and then lader on down the road build i no laber cost will be more but notlooking at that right now but really great wright up cant wait for my build now

[djnimo05]

Niiice write up!!!

Goodluck to anyone doing this for the first time :-)

[asr10 user]

Great write up. I needed someting like this

[04G356MT]

or you can take a mechanics way of doing it lol, just buy the TT kit install it get it tuned and dont push her TOO hard while you build up a full out motor and then put it in... thats if you got the time... and tools...

[twotonezed]

Where are you going to put all of the piping?

[Coinage]

very nice man

[nfp240]

awsome.

[300zxgod]

im thinking about ps tt kit?is it worth the money?

[moforose3]

Nice write up, thanks!

[shiftlock 350z]

great write up, now i just need to win the lottery so i can follow these instructions