How NOT to install HID's

[Qxxx4]

I think putting HID's in the fogs is the best idea, better yet, maybe if i can come across a way to install these projector fogs that i "came across" from a 2010 Lincoln MKX, id be very happy.



I see alot of cars doing the HID's in the fogs and in good reason, usually the housings are small, very focused reflectors, and are low to the ground. I have yet to be annoyed by someone with fog HID's.

[Natedogg1701]

lol you wanna see an hid color you dont see 2 often, sheck out these pics, i had these 30000 kelvin bulbs in for a while and they are very bright to oncoming traffic, not as much light output as the 8000 kelvin i have in now, which i like better because its a bixenon kit so i actually have high beams. best thing is i did not ever get pulled over once for them or even questioned. 30000 K8000 K[IMG][/IMG]big difference in color lol[IMG][/IMG]
Modified by Natedogg1701 at 11:17 AM 10/22/2009

[Natedogg1701]

kind of off the topic of hid's, but does anyone know where i can get corner markers 4 my 03 pathy? I have ones that came in a set with jdm black headlights, but they still have amber plastic on the inside of the lense, so from the front u see a clear bulb but from the side you see amber. I want clear housings that have a black inside, NOT chrome, im going for that blacked out look.

[Qxxx4]

nate...i cant see the pics??

my friend has this dope 2003 Chrysler 300M Special, SPECIAL....meaning sick 19" wheels with lo pro's, Nav, and HID's, hes thinking of upgrading to 30k for fun, but he has projectors so it should look amazing

I saw a white navigator with baby bluish HID, thats what I wanted for mine and I came close but it has a hint of purple. this blue was so rare though I never saw it again, it was a really cool tone!

Id like to see what the green ones look like :p

[Natedogg1701]

try lookin at the pics now, im having trouble keeping the pics on the site, where to you put them online so they'll stay? i send em from my fine 2 my email adress nd just save em their but they keep gettin yanked from the site when i shut down my internet explorer

[Pwnin O'Brien]

Yeah, you can't link from your e-mail. Go to Photobucket.com and sign up for an account and they will host your pictures for free. Then you can put up the full link so we can view them on NICO.

[Natedogg1701]

ok thanks, can u see the pics now? those 30000 K BULBS r deff something u dont c 2 often

[Pwnin O'Brien]

Nope, can't see em. Here, check out this thread, it's kinda old and the pictures dont work but it should help you out on posting pics...

zerothread/254009

[Natedogg1701]

ya that helps thanks, i take it u click the img code kuz it already puts those IMG things before and after the adress right? so u dnt have 2 click the insert image buttin when yur typin a responce. this will save me alotta headaches,thanks.

[Qxxx4]

I see them now! wowwww thats insane but the blue is more manly lol

[Natedogg1701]

lol haha, everyone wud gimme a hard time about the pink, but we i took em out they were all like "wtd y'd u get rid of them?" i like my 8000k set, bixenon so i have high and low beam. im in the process of doin hid reverse lights. lol. idk if the qx4 has em, but the pathfinders have reflectors in the ream bumber, im gunne get lights that will fit in there a,d put an hid kit in for the lights. mainly doin it kuz i cant c s*** wen i bak up, so after this ill have no problems. lol

[slickroger]

Those are nuts bright.

About your trying to get rid of the amber corner you can try several methods if you can't find them or there to expensive.

Fueler had a thread on smashing the amber piece out of his lens.

Fuelers clear corner thread

There is also the idea of putting your housings in an oven and separating the housing so you can remove the amber lenses without smashing like Fueler. But i personally like fuelers idea because it takes a lot less work and you get to smash s*** i would try it on an extra set of lights first maybe find a junk yard set

[carnal_c30]

Ask remember there are slot of poorly done hids projector conversions out there. A lot of them are done with horrible wiring, horrible aiming, horrible workmanship, and no aiming after the initial installation.Some common sense should be used with HIDs I mean remember SUVs are higher etc etc and some headlight housings create more glare than usual.

My 240sx runs H4 hids (s14) and has a surprisingly decent beam pattern and because it's so low I never have problems. My other buddy has an 07 Tundra with HIDs and it's really not that bad either. The absolute worst are the guys running after market headlight housings from eBay because the cheap ones don't properly design the reflector assemblies.

PS, as far as installation I recommend using heat shrink around my connections or buying HIDs with plugs that plug directly into your headlight housing when available.

[Empty V]

lol you wanna see an hid color you dont see 2 often, sheck out these pics, i had these 30000 kelvin bulbs in for a while and they are very bright to oncoming traffic, not as much light output as the 8000 kelvin i have in now, which i like better because its a bixenon kit so i actually have high beams. best thing is i did not ever get pulled over once for them or even questioned. 30000 K8000 Kbig difference in color lol

Those "30K" lamps aren't really 30K, they're 8K with a filter. I can't remember the exact range but after a certain kelvin temp you get into ultra violet and infra red light, I think it's around 13K+. At that point you're losing a lot of light and they may appear brighter because of the color but they're not. If you put a 5K 55w globe against a "30K" 55w globe and measured the luminosity(light output) and distance/falloff the 5K will blow away the fake "30K" every single time, it's just a fact. The Kelvin Temp rating is very subjective and used mostly as a marketing tool. I highly doubt the majority of theses companies actually use color meters. Read the article I posted, there's lots of great info. Like Fueler says you can't believe everything you read and need to analyze and form your own opinions. There's very little on the web that isn't geared towards marketing and I've found that article to be fairly accurate.

Billy

[Natedogg1701]

oh believe me i know about marketting ideas, i worked in car sales 4 two years and we'de say anything and everything to sell a car. lol and no matter how much bull s*** i fed a customer,if i somehow rationalized it they were amazed and believed me. and your right, its anything above around 15000Kelvin that the light turns uv and infared. but how would these companies filter these bulbs? ive seen an aclaimed 15000K set next to my 30000K set and my lights were that very pink color, his were more a light purple, but no where near as pink as mine. and i know they look brighter but most of the light is lost, my 8000K set is easily twice as bright from inside my pathy while im driving, but looking at the 30000K set from outside is brighter. i want to know how they filter an 8000Kbulb to make it that exotic pink color, and how can i get a green hid kit? ive seen em but cant find em.

[slickroger]

I agree I want the greens there supposed to run at 3000K like the Yellow so it should have a very high luminosity. not sure if i would replace both headlight and fogs but it looks like the cooler way to go.

You should make a post when you do the reverse HIDs

[Empty V]

oh believe me i know about marketting ideas, i worked in car sales 4 two years and we'de say anything and everything to sell a car. lol and no matter how much bull s*** i fed a customer,if i somehow rationalized it they were amazed and believed me. and your right, its anything above around 15000Kelvin that the light turns uv and infared. but how would these companies filter these bulbs? ive seen an aclaimed 15000K set next to my 30000K set and my lights were that very pink color, his were more a light purple, but no where near as pink as mine. and i know they look brighter but most of the light is lost, my 8000K set is easily twice as bright from inside my pathy while im driving, but looking at the 30000K set from outside is brighter. i want to know how they filter an 8000Kbulb to make it that exotic pink color, and how can i get a green hid kit? ive seen em but cant find em.

They put a coating on the globe/lamp to change the color. Whenever you push light though anything that is not clear you're limiting the amount of total light output. So they're essentially taking an 8K globe and pushing it through a filter.

I would highly suggest against HID reverse lights mainly because HID's take time to warm up. If you shut them off before they've reached the end of their warm up period it will tax the ballasts and globes and will lead to premature failure. Consider how many times you go from park straight to drive, that would be terrible for the ballasts because you're creating this high voltage spark to ignite the globes and not giving it time to settle. Plus it might end up being too much heat for those small housings and could cause warping if left on for an extended amount of time. I've got LED's for reverse lights and they're extremely bright and work perfectly in pitch black conditions with my reverse camera. You could also add rear axillary lighting.

Billy

[Empty V]

Here's 2 examples of Kelvin scales I found on google images. the Kelvin scale is what HID's "colors" are based off of. You can see how HID kits are not really accurate to a true K temp. anyone remember ROY G BIV in astronomy class? The scale of visible light? Look a little like the bottom scale?

[Natedogg1701]

then the coating on the lamp must be clear, because my 30000k bulbs are clear just like my 8000k bulbs. i know that the color the bulbs emits is determinded by the gas compressed inside the bulb. and the reverse lights are going on a time delay relay, so after i put it in reverse it will take about 3 seconds before the ballasts actually get any power. and the housings the bulbs are going in are a good size enclosure so there shouldnt be too much of a problem. and i am aware that tuning a hid bulb on and off without allowing time for it to completely wars up and cool down shortens the life expectancy, but im a person who rerely backs up, just because of the way i drive and park, etc. i use reverse maybe once a day. but when im off roading they will help greatly, and i dont want to put any big off road lights on my truk, dont like em.

[Empty V]

then the coating on the lamp must be clear, because my 30000k bulbs are clear just like my 8000k bulbs. i know that the color the bulbs emits is determinded by the gas compressed inside the bulb. and the reverse lights are going on a time delay relay, so after i put it in reverse it will take about 3 seconds before the ballasts actually get any power. and the housings the bulbs are going in are a good size enclosure so there shouldnt be too much of a problem. and i am aware that tuning a hid bulb on and off without allowing time for it to completely wars up and cool down shortens the life expectancy, but im a person who rerely backs up, just because of the way i drive and park, etc. i use reverse maybe once a day. but when im off roading they will help greatly, and i dont want to put any big off road lights on my truk, dont like em.

Obviously you've made up your mind. So does this mean that when you backup, your reverse lights won't go on for 3 seconds? That's a huge safety issue. Plus, if they do go on you'll be blinding anyone behind you. The lights will be too high, the reflector is totally wrong and it will be way to bright for a reverse light. Seriously it might sound cool but in my opinion this will be a major mistake. But you obviously do what you want to do for your ride.

Billy

[Natedogg1701]

not my factory reverse lights, the hid ones, and i can adjust the time delay on the relay, wut i want to avoid is the lights flashing for that split second wen u put it in drive and the shifter passes over reverse. this project hassest even gotten off the ground yet,i ordered a pair of sylvania silverstar bulbs 2 replace the factory reverse bulbs, ill c how these work. and i plannd on putting the reverse lights in where those reflectors are in the bumper, if i can find an led light that will fit in their i'll use that instead, im still deciding wut i want to do, i wanna do everything, but money prohibits that. lol

[Empty V]

I smoke and forget to turn my lights ON lol, been pulled over a few times for that

Dude you've got automatic lights!

Billy

[Natedogg1701]

i dont know about QX4's in the states, but pathys light controls go.....off/auto/parking only/on. and they do not have a DRL feature. ive heard that pathys in canada do have DRL's, if so is a setup where you cannot turn them off at all? im just curious. btw, i hate DRL's, dum idea.