How much is the following worth to you?

[EZcheese15]

I'm doing a survey....please answer the following:

How much would you pay (assuming you had the money and were in the market) for the following?

A rebuilt to new SR20DET, harness, timing chain, transmission, stock specs, with ECU and harness

A mildly built SR20DET, 86.5mm bore, forged pistons, bearings, rods, balanced, cams, springs, retainers, ARP studs, metal head gasket, etc

A completely built SR20DET, overbored, pistons, rods, polished crank, manifolds, turbo, pre-tuned fuel management, etc, able to hold 500+ reliably to the ground--a direct drop in, no tuning necessary.

[777aaron]

Sounds like somebody is thinking of going into the performance machine shop business.That would be nice to have somebody with a good rep. here at nico doing something like this.The best advice I can give you is don't buy new machines,because the payments can put you out of business.Ebay usally has really good deals and you can buy refurbished equipment from some companies at a decent price.

[Nismo_Freak]

Honestly I don't think people are going to really spend a ton more on them because the engines themselves are already pricey.

[Nismo_Freak]

BTT

[EZcheese15]

Honestly I don't think people are going to really spend a ton more on them because the engines themselves are already pricey.

I'm not looking for an answer that is necessarily more than what you can buy an SR clip for. I am looking for a number value...I don't care what it is.

As far as the machining goes, I'm not looking into going into a machine shop business....so I'm not looking to buy any machining equipment.

I still would like some numbers from some people. Just throw out some prices! If you would only pay $1500, tell me. If you would pay $3000, tell me.

[Hijacker]

if you're lucky, you can still nab motors in the $1000 range. Assuming that all the freshening did was replace bearings and rings, but no machining, I'd tack an additional $300 onto that price.

A mildly built motor I would try to tack on an extra $1300 since you put in cams, overbored it, studded the head and mains, and redid the pistons and rods.

As far as a fully built motor goes, i'd say you could easily see an additional $2500 (guestimating. not sure what the market would actually pay for that since machine shops differ in pricing when it comes to fully prepping a built block.) Then you could rack the price up the cost + markup for the manifold, turbo, and management as well.

[JJ240]

Sheesh, I just typed a huge reply in the quick box but wasnt logged in. But anyway I am nearing the end of a forged/built SR build, and I think those prices are ridiculously low. New bearings and rings would have to be more than 300, because your'e looking at 100 for rings, and another 80-130 for bearings (crap or clevite you pick) Then you would still have at least another 100 in assembly assuming the crank didn't need any polishing/turning, and if you are putting in new rings you need to rehone the cylinder walls at least. Now for a whole engine build you will have (all approximate prices):CP pistons+rings: 600Eagle rods: 400ARP head/rod studs: 168 (exact I just got these in the mail a few hours ago)Headgasket: 120-220 (copper or MLS)RAS: 80OEM gasket kit: 300Bearings: 100Timing chain kit: 150Total: $~2kThen you still have to bore/hone cylinders, polish/turn crank, resurface flywheel, resurface deck/head mating surface, gap rings, balance rotating assembly, then full final reassembly. Which would probably be at least another $1k at a reputable machine shop. I did alot of my machinework spread out over the last 6-8 months, so without checking my reciepts at home I'm sure I forgot something.

[EZcheese15]

Thanks for the input....however I don't think I'm getting my question clear enough to you guys.

I want to know not what it *would* cost, but what you would pay.

Say a good front clip costs $3000. Would you pay $3000 for a rebuilt-to-new engine/harness/transmission? It wouldn't include the clip, but it would be everything you need for a swap. Would you be willing to pay more, knowing that the engine was just rebuilt? Or would you pay less since it doesn't include the clip?

And as for the complete built motor....would you be willing to pay say $8000 and you get a freshly built motor (including transmission, turbo, fuel management that is already tuned, etc), garunteed to put down 500hp to the ground, with a warranty? Or would you be willing to pay more? Or is $8000 too much?

As for the machine work, it would be from one of the best machinests in the country. The built motor would be assembled in a climate-conrtrolled, dust free room. Fuel system would be tuned on an engine dyno, and would be similar to having an OEM fuel map and ECU, but tuned for 500+hp.

The stock buildup would be like buying a remanufactured engine from a dealer.

[JJ240]

Well, ok I would pay $2500 for built bottom end, I did basically Although I wouldn't pay much at all to have the trans rebuilt. KA trans are dirt cheap in the junkyard, and I would rather have the KA 5th gear anyway Oh, and $8000 is a great deal for a 500 crank hp motor already tuned and ready to go with a warranty imo. Considering its about $3000 for a nice clip from a reputable dealer to begin with.

[Stigmata]

for a completly built SR motor with transmission, harness and ecu i would pay 2500$ If you have these types of engines i would like to get my hands on one of them, reach me at [email protected]

[cardinal]

for a completly built SR motor with transmission, harness and ecu i would pay 2500$ If you have these types of engines i would like to get my hands on one of them, reach me at [email protected]

Sure you would buy one for that price...EVERYONE would. You can't get a good stock/used/beat set for that - yet alone one that has been rebuilt to better than new specs!

Look around on the boards and you will hear lots of stories on the "good deals" out there...like Flash Options etc. Most have ended in disaster with guys paying double what things should have cost.

Bottom line is you get what you pay for. Sure there are deals to be had but that is more the exception rather than the rule. With the Yen up and the dollar WAY down the price can only go up. Add in the fact that most of these motors are ten years plus out of production now they are getting fewer by the day. I'm not trying to justify anything, but looking at it from a real world prospective.

Just my two cents....

[JJ240]

Suppose I should clarify...I was thinking $2500 for the longblock, not a full motorset. I really think a reman motorset would sell well if priced just higher than a normal motorset, as long as it was from a reputable source. Most importeres refer to their engines having a certain number of miles as their proof of quality, but can that compare with reciepts for new rings, bearings, full set of gaskets, etc. Sure there will still be people who buy junk engines for next to nothing and end up spending way more, but there must be alot of people who want to do things right out there.