How much HP/torque would this motor make?

[I am Technoman]

I’m thinking of the ultimate turbo KA, making around 700hp Do you guys think this would be the way to do it? I have prepared a list of mods….

Nissan KA24DET: 2.6 litre, Double overhead cam, Electronic fuel injection, Turbo.

Bore x Stroke: 91mm x 76.7mm Redline: 8,000RPMBoost: 50PSI Electronics: MoTeC ECU and complete logging sensor array with EGT (x1), IAT (x1), Knock (x1), MAP (x1), wide band O2 (x1), launch, traction and air shifter control MoTeC CDI/8 channel ignition spark amplifier. MoTeC Advanced Dash/Logger system.custom 990cc injectors with alcohol injection for high boost.4.0 bar high pressure fuel regulator.Custom oversized and multi tapped fuel rail.

Bottom end: Custom 91mm AB-134 (Aluminium-Beryllium hyper-alloy) forged pistons (x4)Custom ceramic coated tungsten-carbide main crankshaft bearings .Custom oil cooling system.Custom titanium connecting rods (x4 counter balanced crankshaft micro polished pick of 5 different crankshafts that were all xrayed.strengthened connecting rod boltsstrengthened main crankshaft boltshigh capacity oil pump.lightened alloy pulley set.enlarged radiator.Custom head channel modification and complete proprietary GT cooling system upgrade.metal head gasketupgraded water pump.

Custom porting and polishing of cylinder head and runners with extensive flow bench profiling.tappet shims.strengthened head studs.titanium valve retainers.custom cams ??

Turbo system: VeilSide/SPL GT-3540 turbo charger with uprated customised GT-42 compressor wheel and compressor/exhaust housings A'PEXi Drag Vmax/SPL Pro intercooler (718mm wide × 258mm high × 156mm thick) with 70mm inlet and one 90mm outlet

Custom 3.5" exhaust dumps, separate wastegate pipe into single 2.5" dump, exiting after front-right wheel.Custom turbo system oil feeds, water cooling lines and modification of GT bearing cores to support higher shaft speeds.GReddy Type-R Racing Blow Off Valve, with 3.0Kg/cm2 spring.HKS 58mm external GT-Pro spec wastegate.

Drive train: B&M air shifter modified for control via MoTeC ECU.ATS carbon triple plate clutch.Cusco rear 2.0 way high-lock rate Drag/SPL LSD.Custom solid engine mount system.

IM Just Board!!!

[EZcheese15]

Dude you just copied that list of mods off that site I posted in General Chat. You just changed all the (x6) stuff to (x4) for the KA. You cheat.

[Dano]

haha, u copied?...haha

-Dan

[WDRacing]

We need to talk Techno, I'll be back in a couple hours...

WD

[EZcheese15]

We need to talk Techno, I'll be back in a couple hours...

WD

Hey WD, I don't think Techno was at all serious. That list is copied right off of Mario's website with a few minor changes to fit the KA. I think you need to be talking to Mario, not Techno.

[WDRacing]

I was gonna ask if he knew Mario. I thought alot of that stuff sounded familiar.

[I am Technoman]

Yes alot of that came off of Mario's sight . But Im thinking of a way to make big HP from a KA and Mario seems to know how...This motor with all those Mods I listed Would cost alot of money!My guess would be 20,000?

I would love to build that KA someday :ylsuper

And besides All the other turbo mods list I have seen on herewill not come even close to making 700hp..

I like my list!!!!

[I am Technoman]

Yea Mario would be the man to talk to. I’m just some loser In Orlando who used to work for a Nissan dealer and was very board on Christmas day:)

It doesn’t matter were the info came from. In my eyes there is only one way to get 700hp from a ka and those list of mods are the way to do it...

[WDRacing]

I'll modify your list with questions as well as my personal idea's. Alot of my ideas came from Mario a few years ago. I've gotten some advice on my Skyline as well as other silly projects I think of.

Nissan KA24DET: 2.6 litre, Double overhead cam, Electronic fuel injection, Turbo.

(question) by your math, does the below bore/stroke equate to a 2.6 liter?

Bore x Stroke: 91mm x 76.7mm (same)

Redline: 8,000RPM (same, or close)

Boost: 50PSI (same, or close)

Electronics: MoTeC ECU and complete logging sensor array with EGT (x1), IAT (x1), Knock (x1), MAP (x1), wide band O2 (x1), launch, traction and air shifter control MoTeC CDI/8 channel ignition spark amplifier. MoTeC Advanced Dash/Logger system.custom 990cc injectors with alcohol injection for high boost.4.0 bar high pressure fuel regulator.Custom oversized and multi tapped fuel rail.

I'll be using a standalone system, up in the air, with the Edelbrock QwikData datalogging system. I already have a standalone alochol injection kit. I might suggest using 4 egt's. That way you get to see each cylinder. One is just a safety thing in my mind. Never to be used a tuning device. The rest is up in the air. Injectors will be chosen while tuning. The fuel rail will be a custom job.

Bottom end: Custom 91mm AB-134 (Aluminium-Beryllium hyper-alloy) forged pistons (x4)( I was actually looking at titanium for the rods and pistons) Berylium is way expensive.

Custom ceramic coated tungsten-carbide main crankshaft bearings. (same, or close) Custom oil cooling system. (same, or close)

Custom titanium connecting rods (x4) (same, see above)

counter balanced crankshaft micro polished pick of 5 different crankshafts that were all xrayed. (a full balance job, spun up to 9000)

strengthened connecting rod boltsstrengthened main crankshaft bolts( all forged studs and bolts)

high capacity oil pump. (same, or close)

lightened alloy pulley set. (same, or close)

enlarged radiator.( same, or close)

Custom head channel modification and complete proprietary GT cooling system upgrade. (complete custom head work)

metal head gasket (of course)upgraded water pump. (electric)

Custom porting and polishing of cylinder head and runners with extensive flow bench profiling.(see above)

tappet shims.strengthened head studs.(see above)

titanium valve retainers.(complete titanium valve train)

custom cams ?? (somwhere near 280 of duration, while keeping similar lift to stock)

Turbo system: VeilSide/SPL GT-3540 turbo charger with uprated customised GT-42 compressor wheel and compressor/exhaust housings( somthing custom, but not that big)

A'PEXi Drag Vmax/SPL Pro intercooler (718mm wide × 258mm high × 156mm thick) with 70mm inlet and one 90mm outlet (custom made)

Custom 3.5" exhaust dumps, separate wastegate pipe into single 2.5" dump, exiting after front-right wheel.Custom turbo system oil feeds, water cooling lines(all custom)

modification of GT bearing cores to support higher shaft speeds.(same, or close)

GReddy Type-R Racing Blow Off Valve, with 3.0Kg/cm2 spring.(same, or close)

HKS 58mm external GT-Pro spec wastegate.(same, or close)

Drive train: B&M air shifter modified for control via MoTeC ECU.ATS carbon triple plate clutch.Cusco rear 2.0 way high-lock rate Drag/SPL LSD.(nothing even close to that setup, if anything, I'll go with a TH400 with a 3500 stall.

Custom solid engine mount system.(same)

IM Just Board!!! (me to)

There are few things here and there that are different. Some of which has to be, some of which is preference. I'll be using a smaller turbine and N2O, rather then just a huge turbine.

[I am Technoman]

About the boring of the block. With 50psi Im not so sure making it a bigger displacement is a good idea. If I were to REALLY build this motor I would opp to stay with the 89 mill piston size.

An 89 mill piston is very big anyways!

[WDRacing]

Will a 90mm fit into the stock bore??

[I am Technoman]

Yes I do believe you could up to 90 mill. But with extreme boost I would'nt.

[ADAMHU]

well the engine NA makes 309cfm at 8000rpm and with 2.6l displacement(assuming a 85% VE which could be improved upon).....50psi boost is a PR of 4.4...so boosted it will produce 1360CFM....it takes approx 1.6CFM per 1bhp...so thats a very nice 850hp at the engine...

assuming of course that you can keep the engine held together...and that you can find a turbo to flow that much....

adam

[gyfer]

Are you guy going for WAR ? 50psi, in KA engine ?Can the gasket hold ?How about the heat the car making ? I don't think the stock KA engine can transfer this amount of heat into radiator fast enough.

WD: Instead of Alcohol, how about Toluene ?

good call adam. Where did you get the cfm flow info ?

[ADAMHU]

its just basic engine math

cidxrpmx.5xVE/1728=NA cfm

then you calculate pressure ratio above atmospheric....

14.7+boost/14.7= boosted cfm..

and it takes approx 1.6cfm per BHP..since only so much energy can be derived from each cfm of air at the best a/f ratio....

its just a quick way to determine engine power output...it can be more accurate if we take air temp into consideration..and a few other factors..but it is within single digit %

adam

Are you guy going for WAR ? 50psi, in KA engine ?Can the gasket hold ?How about the heat the car making ? I don't think the stock KA engine can transfer this amount of heat into radiator fast enough.

WD: Instead of Alcohol, how about Toluene ?

good call adam. Where did you get the cfm flow info ?

[WDRacing]

I hate when you guys make me feel stupid...Thx Adam.

Gyfer, if I were to use anything other then Alcohol(Denatured 95% or better) I would use methonal. I know of a few guys in the GNX world who have tried Toluene, but they have said it's not worth the cash for the toluene. Pluse I have more experience with Denatured and Methonal.

WD