How much has your CA swap cost so far?

[Xracer]

for you guys that have done the swap how much have you put into it so far? including the swap itself and mods. im savin up for a CA ( 15 + no job = bad) but i probably wont have enough money for a clip for a while. but anyways what your total so far?

[mikeh16]

'89 240sx coupe that broke after 2 days- $2030.CA front clip- $1100.SR dump pipe- $25.3" SR downpipe- $105.Misc. fluids- $31.

Total of $3291.

[biosehnsucht]

i've put way too much money in my car. i'll never get it back, so i can't sell it. it's a vicious cycle.

[Xracer]

haha i saw that post.

mikeh16: thats not bad at all. thats somthing i like about the ca. the swap is a good deal cheaper than the SR and not every friggin 240 has one.

[biosehnsucht]

Sometime in the next week or two I'll try and cook up a list of what cost what, CA-specific.. I HAVE spent money on all kinds of things tho.. hah all in all I've spent at least $2k on the CA itself, 2.5k by the time it's installed at least if not more...

Technically, maybe 1.5 and 2k.. since I bought two blown motors for the price of one good one.. hah.

[RMiller]

Mine totalled about 4k without the cost of the car. But I have some upgrades, which I recommend. -used t28-dsm 450cc injectors-and the usual stuff

You can get away with a stock CA, stock exhaust for about 2k, including maintenance stuff.

[Xracer]

yea i hope so. 2-2.5k is going to be about tops for me untill i get a job. im polishging parts and selling them now but its slow like plutos orbit. If i polish like a mad man i should be good for an engine swap in the summer.

[float_6969]

I think after I get the motor back together I'll be into it about 4K (maybe more). I don't really want to add it up, as I think it will make me sick. But it's gonna be fast as hell!

[rico05]

Just for the swap? As in to get it running?

-$1280 motorset shipped-$125 stock SMIC and piping-Traded A/C pump and bracket for stock downpipe-$100 for fluids and sensors and spark plugs-$60 K&N air filter and MAF adapter-$15 KA24E (I have a DOHC car) MAF-$20 turbo inlect duct-$20 SS slave cylinder line-Prob another $50 in stuff I forgot-21 hours

So roughly $1600 to git er done. Now, as for mods....Ouch. Lets just say total budget for this year ($10,000 car included) is about to be blown (Stage 2 begins soon )

[f s t caz]

~$4500

[fraz]

Not fitted to my daily driver yet, but tested

CA18de everything from the head gasket up $80CA20 headgasket down $50Lower timing pulley $helping a mate wire a eg33Custom timing belt $60Honda pistons+modification $2004g63 rods $200Bearings/rings $160370cc injectors $6060mm throttle $20Headbolts $12Full head recon, new seals,mild polish $130

Yet to be fittedSC14 supercharger $100Associated piping$50wolf 3d v4 $1000

total about 2k give or take in new zealand dollars which is around 1200-1300 US

[biosehnsucht]

4g63 rods, honda pistons? interesting combination..

[r34 gtr]

thats one engine thats got a serious identity crisis. i really want to know how it works out though, sounds like it could be awesome. what exactly are you going for with this frankenstein nissan/mitsubishi/honda/toyota engine? (im assuming the sc is from a toyota?)

as for my engine, phew, lets see...after adding up everything i can remember off hand, im at $7000 under the hood. total for my car: 12000+

this is over 3 years by a high school kid with summer jobs 2 of those 3 years earning little over minimum wage one summer and 8.00 an hour the next. by new years expect to see another grand into my car at least.

- tim

[rico05]

HOLY SHAT I want pics of that hybrid block!!! Pretty please!! That is the coolest hybrid I have ever heard of!!!

[r34 gtr]

i know! thats freaking rediculous. i want pictures, dyno sheets, pictures, video clips, pictures and anything else you can throw at me! NOW!

seriously though, it is rediculous at the very least. how is it possible that the whole thing works?

- tim

[Xracer]

thats kind of what i was thinking, how could parts from 3 differnt manufactures bolt up even with some minor modification? what about rod ratio/length and pistion height ect...wouldnt all thoes parts messup the compresion ratio and stuff?

[float_6969]

Possibly, unless you were wanting to mess up the compression ratio... I wanted to change the compression so I got forged pistons and called it a day.

[fraz]

This is a ca20 block. You cn see the extra 20mm deck height. I also drilled and tapped the front of the block for the cam belt idler pulley as ca20e does not have one there.The crank pulley shown was before i modified a rb20de one to fit. (can use ca18de but rb easier to machine due to length)

The block is a bit dirty. have cleaned it since.

[fraz]

I eventually want to run a ca18det crank as they are stronger than ca20 ones. Then i will fit aftermarket 4g63 rods and forged pistons.Compression is around 10:1 so i figure this motor will take about 6-10psi with a well tuned aftermarket ecu, hopefully a wold 3d depending on funds

[float_6969]

I'm VERY impressed!!!

[biosehnsucht]

CA18 and CA20 cranks have different stroke, so you'll lose stroke if you go to 18.

[boost_boy]

I eventually want to run a ca18det crank as they are stronger than ca20 ones. Then i will fit aftermarket 4g63 rods and forged pistons.Compression is around 10:1 so i figure this motor will take about 6-10psi with a well tuned aftermarket ecu, hopefully a wold 3d depending on funds

You are kidding right? 4G63 parts in a CA18 or CA20 block? And none of you guys said anything? Ryan, I'm shocked at you for letting this go unmolested. I disappear for a minute and this is what I come back to . Dude, you ain't puttin' no 4G63 rods and pistons in no CA block, so don't even think about it. And furthermore, why would you? The CA has heavy duty aftermarket parts that will exceed the strength of the 4G63's aftermarket parts as well.

Dee

[fraz]

You are kidding right? 4G63 parts in a CA18 or CA20 block? And none of you guys said anything? Ryan, I'm shocked at you for letting this go unmolested. I disappear for a minute and this is what I come back to . Dude, you ain't puttin' no 4G63 rods and pistons in no CA block, so don't even think about it. And furthermore, why would you? The CA has heavy duty aftermarket parts that will exceed the strength of the 4G63's aftermarket parts as well.

Dee

It all comes down to money. In new zealand, mitsi 4g63's are common. We got all the evolution models in pretty high numbers, and before that, we got vr4 galant turbos from about 88 onwards.The rods fit the crank, just have to shave the sides of the bearings a little to bring the width of the big end down.

I can buy I-beam 4g63 rods for 350us which i think is a good price. I cant get ca18 rods for that price.

The reason for the ca20 block is the rod length. I could have bored a ca18 block, but then i would have had stock rods. By going to ca20 block, i get 20mm longer rods. Longer rods mean higher rpm ceiling if you can get the air in.

I plan to fit a ca18det crank and rev it to 9.5-10k depending on the lifters i can get, OR getting a custom crank. I have been quoted 1100nz which is around 600us for a crank turned out of a billet and fully balanced, but before you ask, its from an engineer friend that owes me a favor

[Xracer]

you definatly seem to be getting stuff extremely cheap.are teh 4G63 pistions even the same bore as the CA20 block? this will be interesting when its done

[r34 gtr]

i must say, i am very impressed. i really dont know what else to say except wow.

- tim

[fraz]

you definatly seem to be getting stuff extremely cheap.are teh 4G63 pistions even the same bore as the CA20 block? this will be interesting when its done

I currently have honda pistons which have been turned down to 84.5mm. They are 11:1 originally so i figured that they would be able to handle the boost i want to run, but i dont think that they will be suitable. I guess i will find out when i give it death

4g63 pistons are 85mm and so are vq25de pistons so i might look at getting some of them. The trouble is, you cant really bore the CA block much over 84.5mm. I would go to 85 but i have heard of a few people blowing the gasket between cylinders at high rpms and/or high boost

The piston crowns are:ca18de is +7.45ccca18det -.19cc (dished)early 4g63 +14ccpost 94/95 4g63 +16ccI think the vq25 ones are +5

Im not too woried about the piston tops because i can shave a bit of meat out of the top of the block, i just want something that gives good flame propagation so i can achieve maximum power with the least air+fuel

I will be doing a bit more research in the next month, im a bit busy at work at the moment

[datso]

you definatly seem to be getting stuff extremely cheap.are teh 4G63 pistions even the same bore as the CA20 block? this will be interesting when its done

I currently have honda pistons which have been turned down to 84.5mm. They are 11:1 originally so i figured that they would be able to handle the boost i want to run, but i dont think that they will be suitable. I guess i will find out when i give it death

4g63 pistons are 85mm and so are vq25de pistons so i might look at getting some of them. The trouble is, you cant really bore the CA block much over 84.5mm. I would go to 85 but i have heard of a few people blowing the gasket between cylinders at high rpms and/or high boost

The piston crowns are:ca18de is +7.45ccca18det -.19cc (dished)early 4g63 +14ccpost 94/95 4g63 +16ccI think the vq25 ones are +5

Im not too woried about the piston tops because i can shave a bit of meat out of the top of the block, i just want something that gives good flame propagation so i can achieve maximum power with the least air+fuel

I will be doing a bit more research in the next month, im a bit busy at work at the moment

Fraz dont know if you are still around but those figures dont look right for the 4g63 having so much comp? cant seem to get these pistons with + 16ccl

Im building a high comp NA CA with cd20 crankshaft and 4 port head but little info on pistons to use and belt especially.

I have a dilemma also on rods as Id like to use a ca20e block as the cd20 is not available here and was lucky enough to source a crank from Overseas but the crankpins are supposedly 5mm bigger. The other thing is to use it in the ca18det block I need 136mm conrods to have better rod stroke ratio with 25mm comp pistons I already have but 136mm conrods are are for this crank.

The option of using the ca20 block seemed easier except that the bigger crankpins wont allow me to use the 4g63 conrods.

Its a budget build but putting the bigger dollars on getting Wade solid lift camshafts, 48mm itbs, bigger lighter valves for both in and ex and nice exhaust.

[float_6969]

OLD post, thanks for searching tough. Fraz isn't still around AFAIK. As I told you in the other post, you're gonna have to use a CD20 block. Plain and simple. So better get to finding the block before you worry about anything else if you're really gonna do this.

[datso]

4g63 rods are definitely the way to go but with my crankpins I either have to use the original diesel rods or lucky Dodge SRT 2.4 conrods which are right on but like the 4g63 just wider on the BE so need 0.74 mm off each side.
151mm c-c length
25.78mm BE width (-24.3mm =1.48mm or .74mm each side.)
22mm pin
575gsm for H beams

However I need 53.000mm BE Bore versus the SRT 53.0098 so need SRT bearings?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Manley-Turbo-Tu ... 94&vxp=mtr

cheaper 575gms
http://www.ebay.com/itm/EAGLE-H-BEAM-CO ... 4b&vxp=mtr

but cant beat 4g63!!!

215 usd for 4g63 CRX H beams!!!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CXRacing-95-99- ... b4&vxp=mtr
but would mean machining my crankpins $$$

We will see about the block soon enough

[nickhebert]

1990 s13 hatch back :-$1600
Ca18det motor, ecu, and spare parts motor:-$850
Rebuild of Ca18det:-$600 to $700
Wiring Harness:-$315
Total: $3365 to $3465