Honest feedback from drifting with a stock engine.

[Altiman94]

Provided hte car has a good suspension set up (coilovers, strut bars, sway bars, etc. etc.) anda good lsd, do you think the stock ka24(d)e has enough power to drift well. I'm not talking professional drifting, just enough for local events. I've always been under the impression that stock motors are less than desirable for drifting, but lately I've seen alot of it. I know my stock sohc can slide a bit, but it's just lacking power.

[sixxdeuce]

it would be fine for smaller tight courses, but you may find you run out of power on long sweeping turns. I drift on a dohc with only 4-1 header, intake, and 3" catback and it does fine at events exept on the real long, low angle sections.

[574-240sx]

it would be fine for smaller tight courses, but you may find you run out of power on long sweeping turns. I drift on a dohc with only 4-1 header, intake, and 3" catback and it does fine at events exept on the real long, low angle sections.

Very true. You have to enter corner much hotter and drive your *** off. You also finding yourself conserving speed during a drift. Low angle turns you tend to keep throwing the backend out. If you keep it out too long you loose speed and straighten up and don't have speed for the next corner. Ussually you will be disappointed with the results. You should learn to drift/powerslide N/A first anyways.

[Altiman94]

I agree with everything that has been said. Im just trying to get a feel for how much power is really needed to drift well.

[574-240sx]

I agree with everything that has been said. Im just trying to get a feel for how much power is really needed to drift well.

You need JDM skyline power to be the best hard parker on the planet

Sorry I had to. Acually I learned in a 85' carbrated rwd toyota corolla with a welded up diff.

[PGBrian]

i have stock KS in s14, no intake, no exhaust, nothing.i think i can do well but you really start to feel the limitation of such small power. there are times that i could REALLY use the extra power to help get through the end of the corner or fix a little mistake. for a beginner, i think a KA is fine and will teach you how to drift properly (essentially) you have to learn how to use the weight and everything.

[sixxdeuce]

I agree with everything that has been said. Im just trying to get a feel for how much power is really needed to drift well.

Power is not needed to drift well. Skill and technique is what you need, and by learning on a low powered car it forces you to develop your technique to a finer level than someone who starts with a high power car, which will show if you do step up in power.

[bcar240]

I think a major factor is the type of tires you have. I used to have crap tires, and getting the back out was no prob, now with some decent sport tires it is pretty hard unless it is wet (basically stock engine.) I think a mid-range tire would work pretty good on a stock KA. Crappy enough to let you loose traction without engaging hyperdrive but sticky enough to not have too much wheelspin for when you are heavy on the gas.

[PGBrian]

i use brand new ES100 or FM901 on my stock KA 225 45 17. i break them loose no problem.

[Thrwnsprkz]

yep, deff learn on a N/A first... Ive never even drivin a turbo car myself... but low power creates the ideal learning enviornment... if you learn on high power first, odds are 99/100 you'll just spin out where ever you go. power helps but my peg legged DOHC S14 drifts fine for a beginer (could use a diff tho)

[sixxdeuce]

i use brand new ES100 or FM901 on my stock KA 225 45 17. i break them loose no problem.

Yeah, dunlop fm901's are my tire of choice as well, 205/50/16, they break away nice and offer enough grip to control pretty well.

[BuudWeizErr]

clutch kicking will be your friend. clutch kick entry, clutch kick midslide, etc, etc.

try to stay away from speed robbing initiations like ebrake, especially for longer turns. learning to feint would be good too.

[marshun]

how much power to drift well? you seen any video's with hibino in it? he drives some hachi with mostly suspension mods. 150ps wich is like 130hp. wich is pretty damn stock!

my s13 is all suspension. well 3" exhaust and a modified intake box. lol.

and it does damn well.

[PGBrian]

clutch kicking will be your friend. clutch kick entry, clutch kick midslide, etc, etc.

try to stay away from speed robbing initiations like ebrake, especially for longer turns. learning to feint would be good too.

but what about if you have a ***** clutch like me? ebrake forever.but i want to learn fenits better.

[BuudWeizErr]

but what about if you have a ***** clutch like me? ebrake forever.but i want to learn fenits better.

brian is the exception because he has more suspension, less interior, and his car is lower than some D1 cars. oh yeah, and he has a real diff. unlike some of the open diff posers that are surfacing daily.

[PGBrian]

hahaha feints is what i meant to spell.

[Ender_Zero]

so just because i have an open diff, that makes me a poser?

oh, and on the topic of the thread, i dont really have anything to add. these guys have said it all. the stock ka is great for learning and getting better, but leaves you wanting a little when you have to get around a long low angle turn.

[PGBrian]

open differential will not let you drift.

[driftczar]

Yeah its pretty dam* hard to get sideways in a good manner with a open diff. I would recomend a limited slip, if you dont got the $ for one, get a welded diff, that will let you drift, well as for the question for the ka, just keep at it man, i got friends with ka 's and they can do a hel* of a lot on em, so keep at it and practice.

[AZhitman]

I won't come right out and disagre with what Brian said above about the open diff, but tell that to the guy who was busting fat drifts at PIR in a Lincoln Continental at DriftDay last month.

That said, get the VLSD - they're cheap and plentiful, contrary to what the 'uber1337jdm' crowd would have you believe.

I picked up one for $150 last week, and there were 3 to choose from.

[sixxdeuce]

I have seen people do decent slides on open diff, but have never seen anyone pull off multiple transitions or drift an entire course on an open diff.

[chmercer]

i used to do it, but its gay seeing one side of the car bake while the other tire just chills. also you will be going hella slow.

[hamsterball]

I won't come right out and disagre with what Brian said above about the open diff, but tell that to the guy who was busting fat drifts at PIR in a Lincoln Continental at DriftDay last month.

That said, get the VLSD - they're cheap and plentiful, contrary to what the 'uber1337jdm' crowd would have you believe.

I picked up one for $150 last week, and there were 3 to choose from.

I had to pick mine up for $250 :*(

why can't i get deals ...... argh.

anyways, enough has been said, so im not going to fill my $.02

[nismostate]

get the vlsd for cheap. once you learn how to drift better, sell the vlsd and use the money for a kaaz 2-way

[gogg]

yes. a ka is better. more cheap availible parts. drifting isnt about power.

[240SicknessX]

Drifting is really 90% about the driver IMO, and learning on a low hp platform will just refine your techniques so you will know the intracies of having more power. It is possible to drift a stock 240.

open differential will not let you drift.

dont say that, im open diff and automatic with shocks and spings, and i easily took second place in the amature class out of 17 competitors! and there people that had 5spds, 2ways, coilovers, tc rods, and bunch of other goodies and i placed higher then them.

It is definitly possiable to link turns and get sick angles while keeping enough speed to set you up for the next turn, and im not someone with 10 years of experiance. ( started driving 6 months ago )

Greazymule and Nanook have seen me drift at competitions and practices too, its not all after apex power overs either.

[sil8ty]

or get a turbo and learn. that way you dont have to go through the phase of "my car has no power" you go straight to the "i have tons of power" phase. hahaha j/k

it depends a lot on course i'd say. like for almost all parking lot events a stock KA will kick ***. also for a lot of the smaller courses it will do fine.

now for a bigger course, like lets say PIR(phoenix Intl) where you have 85mph entries that require 3rd gear power to drift half the corner, decrease in radius and then open up again. youre going to need power there. you can drift the first big corner with inertia, slow down on the decreasing raduis part, then have to pick up speed again on the next right which is increasing radius.

i saw the limitation of my stockish sr power versus my friends 260whp when we were tandeming. i came in hotter but he'd lose me on the increasing radius part because he could hook up his tires better whereas i'd be bogging and generally going slower.

but thats mostly more advanced track. to start just use whatever you have. learn it and then upgrade. start with stock ka or a stock sr. then as you get better upgrade accordingly.