honda vs nissan..

[SteveeeO]

hey, I own a 90 civic ... I was planning on doing a b16 swap, but then I looked into the cost of a 240 (one of my friends on this board has a 240, and he is getting the SR20 swap done) .. Just wanted some opinions on what you would go with, I can get the Civic with B16 (Sir1) or 240 with SR20det for basically the same price... they both cost pretty much the same, but b16 is torqueless - I would have to spend close to $3500 to get a GSR engine or over 4000 for a Type R

I just want a fast car for daily driving... what about reliability? how is the SR20?

I need some info, because I am mixed between the 2... I love my honda, but FWD sucks bad

[daniel240]

you should definately get the 240 -w the sr20 swap! the 240 is much more fun to drive because of the RWD!

[Repo Man]

No comparison for me. You said it yourself when you said that FWD sucks. And well, wouldn't you just really rather have a turbo?

[Kaos]

I have a 2000 Civic Si and just bought a 240. I haven't even done the swap yet and I already like it more than the civic. Hands down I would take the 240. Right now my si is faster but the 240 just seems to have ALOT more potential.

Chad

[Repo Man]

I have a 2000 Civic Si and just bought a 240. I haven't even done the swap yet and I already like it more than the civic. Hands down I would take the 240. Right now my si is faster but the 240 just seems to have ALOT more potential.

Chad

I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but I like the '99-'00 Si's. I raced a stock one late this summer and the best he could do was a 16.5 in the quarter. I turned a 15.8 in my mildly modded 240. That was with subs, amp and heavy-arse toolbox in my trunk. He didn't have a problem hanging with my friends and I on the highway though. Something about high rpm power...

[SteveeeO]

I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but I like the '99-'00 Si's. I raced a stock one late this summer and the best he could do was a 16.5 in the quarter. I turned a 15.8 in my mildly modded 240. That was with subs, amp and heavy-arse toolbox in my trunk. He didn't have a problem hanging with my friends and I on the highway though. Something about high rpm power...

that's the only reason honda is still on my mind... vtec is great, but a b series swap is so expensive... on an sr swap, what has to be replaced? on b series swap for civic - 4th gen u have to do all of this

B16 SiR1 - $1099 + $300 shippingHaSport Engine Mounts (No AC Mount) - $380HaSport Shift Linkage - $149Lower Radiator Hose - 90-91 Integra, 19502-PR4-A00 - $10.38 Upper Radiator Hose - 90-91 Integra, 19501-PR4-A00 - $9.77 Throttle Cable - 17910-SK7-A03 - $15.24 Water Pump - 94 Del Sol Vtec - $81.36Alternator Belt - 90 Integra, 31110-PR3-003 - $6.97Wiring Harness - HaSport Si - $75Spark Plugs - $~20Axles - 90-93 IntegraTiming Belt - 90 Integra ~$30Plug Wires - 92 Integra GSR ~$30Distributor Cap - 90 Integra ~$50Exedy Full Face Racing Clutch - $269

[MojoMan]

no offense to honda owners. theyre great cars and last a long time. and performance wise everything is available for them but they just dont have the power that nissan can give you outta the box. Not even the s2000. My ex used to own one and there were times she wanted to drive my car because it was much faster. Although I loved driving hers because it was a puzzy getter. a lot of my family and friends have owned del slows, gsr, ls, hatches etc and would all love to have a 240 after being in mine. To get the performance out of a honda you really have to do alot of work such as sleeving the cylinders for starters(turbo) and thats just a part of the work. But like I said they are great cars and are capable of killing 240, mustangs, z-28 or whatever but a sr swap into a 240 and your killin them with a stock block with a few minor mods and lots more torque. besides there is no where near the number of 240s on the road all suped up and too many hondas that need there azz kiked. Nissans are more expensive to maintain though. Thats just my opinion.

[Former_240_s14]

I would def. go for a Nissan, I used to have a honda also, an se-i accord and the 240 is such a nice car.

Why go with the sr20?? Do you realize the engine under your hood can handle a turbo kit "Nsport, fmax" with stock internals and only 7psi, and you are looking at around 240 horse's at the WHEELS, and not to mention the extra torque it will have over a stock sr20.

The kits would cost you about 3k, not including install which I have heard is fairly simple.

Regardless of either motor under the hood of a s13 or s14, I would pick the nissan for reliabilty and style. how many of us do you see on the roads, then think how many civics do you see "or even any honda/acura" on the road?

Goodluck with your decision.

[SteveeeO]

well I made my decision already, it's nissan - I posted pretty much this same thread on a honda board, people are actually saying nissan and iit's a honda performance board - go figure...

well anyways, I just want to have the good lookin sr20 under my hood... I could probably go a turbo route on the stock motor, but I want to stay with how one of my friends is doin it - he knows a lot more about nissans than me

what has to be replaced on sr20s? no one has really answered this .. I know a ton of things have to be replaced on honda motors (i want mine to be reliable, not having to worry about much)

[MaineExport]

what has to be replaced on sr20s? no one has really answered this .. I know a ton of things have to be replaced on honda motors (i want mine to be reliable, not having to worry about much)

Post this question in the SR section of the 240 boards if you want a detailed answer...... but...

The car was orignally designed to have an SR in it, so the swap is cake. In a nut shell, lift out KA w/transmission.... drop in SR w/transmission, swap wiring harness and ECU. Power steering units and A/C are not very common (from what I hear) but can be found.

[JESTER]

Dude, you are making a good choice. I respect Honda's for the vehicle. Hate them for some of the owners. Please don't rice the 240. We would have to hunt you down and do bad things to you. Just joking.

Check out After Dark Tuning. Dauntless is the man. Knows his stuff on 240's. Also, Unstable-hybrids and Heavy Throttle are some reputable companies.

Welcome.

[Sopdadope]

No doubt about it, the Si is a pretty good, especially for autox. I'd personally take a Type R over an Si regardless of the much higher sticker price. To this day, I haven't driven any car that has better shifter "feel" than the Type R (I've driven M3's and an NSX). But all in all, I'd take an old straight-back 240sx over either of these cars anyday, here's why:

1) They're cheap.2) Engine swapability. The Hondas limited to Honda engines because of the FWD and odd counter-clockwise trans. With a 240SX, the sky's the limit. Everything from dinky, turbocharged four bangers to big honkin' American V8's have been dropped into an sx. 3) Junk-yard upgradability. No need to look further than the 300ZX and Q45 as donor cars. 300ZX brakes, Q diff.

Plenty of other reasons too. I bought my 240sx with the sole purpose of dropping in a turbo-charged Ford 5.0 motor. With an S13's incredible chassis, highly tunable suspension, this car would be a road course monster.

[apzak]

Dauntless told me for the sr you need intake, exhaust, new clutch because the swaped ones are most likely burnt up, and something with the flywheel. (I might be forgetting something) It came out to like $4000 that's including the S13 redtop for $2400.

EDIT: Oh yea motor mounds, and downpipe too.. check the sr section.

[damarksman]

I would go with a Nissan as well. I used to have an integra, had it for four years, loved it. Then it got stolen, all stripped, so I decided, do I want to get another honda or explore other options. I decided to do the latter, and hopefully by this weekend (if insurance check comes through) I will be a proud owner of a 240. Nissan

[red240ne]

Honduhs suck, nuff said.

[SmithSR]

hondas do have a place in the market. to say they suck is to curse the technology that they, along with the rest of the Japanese auto industry has brought to the U.S. we all know that hondas are super reliable, high mileage econoboxes. it's the jerks who dump em on the ground, sticker em up and then try and race who are to blame.

[Stock-S13]

I tottaly disagree with you Smith whatever... to say there reliable, dependent, etc..is really over rated HOnda is about the worest horrible brand of automobile you can purchase. in daily driver (ie my mom and her almost detenated D16) to perforamance really this is about the worst jap brand ever..there ugly and expensive and they just litter our streets. and dont get me started on the ricers..ohh..Bottom line Honda is a horrible brand good way to lose 18K and much more on frequent visits to the shop..-edgar

[SloS13]

Stock-S13 - wow, that was a totally bias post. Ive been a loyal honda owner for the past almost 10 years and the ones I owned were great cars. Me and my family put 100k miles on a prelude that already had 80,000 miles and didnt have any problems with it. The timng belt snapped but thats my little brothers fault for not changing it. We also had an accord with 220k miles.

Contrary to the above message, Im getting out of the Honda world and getting a 240 very soon. I just need to sell my lude and my 300.

Honda and Nissan are both good cars. Id personally have to say that from my experience hondas are more reliable, but they're totally dropping the ball when it comes to out-of-the-box performance.

As far as rice, you cant blame that on a brand of car.

[MaineExport]

As far as rice, you cant blame that on a brand of car.

With advertising like that 'Civic Nation' commercial.... yes you can!!

[teho]

pm yra of un duley

[MaineExport]

pm yra of un duley

Wha.... what?

Okay... now in English!

[Mayhem_J30]

Looks like you guys have PO'd some Honda owners.

I'm also not liking this thread very much. You got to the end of the day to discuss (nicely) and it'll be closed.

[APEXi240]

Why is there always the same b***hing and moaning about Honda? My friend had 160k on his Civic before he swapped it, no problems, I mean the DX even hit 120 in 4th gear. My brother has 205k with NO engine or transmission rebuilds. He has done absolutly no maintance (well oil changes) in the two years he's had it. Hondas are great, hands down, can't be denied. For what they set out to do, they do it good.

Stock-S13, just because your mom doesn't know how to care for a car, or because it was a lemon, doesn't mean that they are unreliable...would so many people be driving them if that were the case?

Honda bashing has become way too lame. For 6 grand my friend is currently running 15.1 with just and air filter and exhaust. I spent 6k on my car and it probably run 15.8 or 15.9.

[APEXi240]

As far as rice, you cant blame that on a brand of car.

The new Celica action package...."Looks fast". They brought it upon themselves.

[ninjak84]

You got to the end of the day to discuss (nicely) and it'll be closed.

Good call.

[574-240sx]

I had a 95 civic ex and beat the crap out of it. The thing never broke down once, untill i dropped the weak transmission. New transmission w/73K, 145 shipped to replace the transmission, you cant beat that. dumped it off on some kid. stock parts were cheap because everyone was getting rid of their stock motors. I had the ecu chipped and reved it to 8200 rpms all day long. it was fwd and had no torque and everyone had them. thats why i got rid of mine and bought a 240. nick

[Bandit240]

A Honda is a great car for and eco car. Not such a great sports car. If you want a sports car get anythjing RWD or AWD

[InstantRice]

how mature. any car that has that many people buying them cant suck that bad. The thing that has been engrained in our minds as nissan owners is the stereotypical Rice Boi. so its not really honda that sucks it would be the things people do to them. BTW Vtec ownz Joo!1!1!1!