Holy sh*t the F-22 Raptor would make me poop myself...

[RCA]

if it had to out fly it with something else. I had NO idea these planes are capable of the things in the video. J-Turn and power loops must make enemies nervous...

http://www.militarytimes.com/m...c_f22

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[AZhitman]

Who wants some?

[Koshin]

I haz moves y0

[breadbox]

How long until these are affordable and everyone in the military has one and goes tricking and stunting around the city?

[RobPaulson]

thats awesome and amazing.

[MinisterofDOOM]

Very cool. I'm looking forward to the day we start seeing F35s at airshows. THAT is my dream jet.

[nissangirl74]

Do Like!

[sx moneypit]

Wicked plane!

[AZhitman]

How long until these are affordable and everyone in the military has one and goes tricking and stunting around the city?

Just what we need... Some damn homey with his pants saggin', hanging off the tail, hollerin' 'bout "ghost ride".

[Fury_350]

i got so close working on the f-22..... n then i get stuck working with f-16's instead

[sx moneypit]

Still cool!

[r34 gtr]

It can just chill and fly at 92mph, blunt ride style. Awesome.

[Koshin]

blunt ride style ftmfw

[Urabus GodofTraction]

I like it when the do the Kulbit. Near zero diameter loop? I'll take it.

The only real problem with the F-22's maneuverability is that the Russian 4th gen and higher airframes like my beloved Su-30MKI have been doing such maneuvers for years. They lack the stealth, speed, range, and sensor capabilities of the 22, though.

[s0m3th1ngAZ]

That's nucking FUTS.Also...these jets are a whole lot bigger when you are up close to them. They are MASSIVE.

[rc1honda]

I like the fact they can cruise well over supersonic without the use of afterburners.

Also that the top speed of the f-22 is classified. Thing can realistically go 5,000mph.

[AZhitman]

That's nucking FUTS.Also...these jets are a whole lot bigger when you are up close to them. They are MASSIVE.

Yep. Walked around the SR-71 at a show a few years ago and felt *reeeeeally* small and insignificant.

[AZhitman]

Also that the top speed of the f-22 is classified. Thing can realistically go 5,000mph.

Doubtful.

Reliable sources put it at Mach 2.25. DOUBLE that would be only 3,000 mph.

[PoorManQ45]

felt *reeeeeally* small and insignificant.

"Like a hot dog down a hallway"

[Urabus GodofTraction]

I like the fact they can cruise well over supersonic without the use of afterburners.

Also that the top speed of the f-22 is classified. Thing can realistically go 5,000mph.

I can tell you without variable inlets it couldn't do much over Mach 2 (about 1500 mph "standard day") .

Now, that's true airspeed. If there was one hell of a tailwind...

[AZhitman]

"Like a hot dog down a hallway"

No, that was when you lost your virginity.

I just meant the plane is really big.

[troskinatior]

The coolest thing was at 4:25 when its not moving, I can't even imagine how much power it had to do that.

[rc1honda]

Doubtful.

Reliable sources put it at Mach 2.25. DOUBLE that would be only 3,000 mph.

Yeah 5,000 is a strech but the SR71 was capable of Mach 3 and that was in the 70's. Thats 40 years ago. And the F-18 superhornet was known to able to go more then Mach 2. And thats 30 year old airframe.

I don't think it would be a real strech to think that it could go Mach 4 or 5.And the "reliable resources" are really just guessing. Fact is the F22 is not available for sale anywhere besides the US. So no other country has been able to test or reverse engineer it. And the US keeps all materials and most specs classified.

The Airframe tech and even the paint used on it is classified Top Secert. Only those with the highest secuity clearence know anything about constuction or materials used.

But yeah thrust vectoring is awesome, and so is the supercruise.

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[Koshin]

lots of ownage going on in this thread

[Urabus GodofTraction]

Yeah 5,000 is a strech but the SR71 was capable of Mach 3 and that was in the 70's. Thats 40 years ago. And the F-18 superhornet was known to able to go more then Mach 2. And thats 30 year old airframe.

I don't think it would be a real strech to think that it could go Mach 4 or 5.And the "reliable resources" are really just guessing. Fact is the F22 is not available for sale anywhere besides the US. So no other country has been able to test or reverse engineer it. And the US keeps all materials and most specs classified.

The Airframe tech and even the paint used on it is classified Top Secert. Only those with the highest secuity clearence know anything about constuction or materials used.

But yeah thrust vectoring is awesome, and so is the supercruise.

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Modified by rc1honda at 1:33 PM 2/12/2010

If the F/A-18E/F could crack Mach 2, it could barely. Like I said, the 18 and the 22 does not have variable intakes like the F-15. Past about Mach 2.5, without such intakes the force of the air will literally shatter the turbine blades. The F-15C is actually faster at high altitudes than the F/A-22

And the SR-71s Mach 3+ was an extreme feet of engineering. Turbine engines don't even work at those airspeeds, variable intakes or not. Your logic is flawed, the 22 cannot even dream of approaching Mach 3, much less Mach 4 or 5.

Physics cannot be classified.

[rc1honda]

Your rigth but as far as we know it has a fixed inlet. (As far as we know). All im saying is that we really don't. The thrust the engines produce is classified as well. But are known to produce more then 35,000lbs of thrust each.

I know you can't keep phyiscs a secret. So you are right in that aspect. All im saying is that as far as we know(which we don't) it has a fixed air inlet.

I remebering seeing a show about the F22 and they speculated that the 2 small squares on the nose were being used as addtional variable air inlets. Grated it's just sepculation.

But mach 2.5 just seems to slow to me for a Air Domaniance jet fighter. When Mach 3 was being used in commercial flights.

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[Urabus GodofTraction]

Your rigth but as far as we know it has a fixed inlet. (As far as we know). All im saying is that we really don't. The thrust the engines produce is classified as well.

I know you can't keep phyiscs a secret. So you are right in that aspect. All im saying is that as far as we know(which we don't) it has a fixed air inlet.

I remebering seeing a show about the F22 and they speculated that the 2 small squares on the nose were being used as addtional variable air inlets. Grated it's just sepculation.

But mach 2.5 just seems to slow to me for a Air Domaniance jet fighter.

The F-22 does not have variable intakes. The leading edges are fixed, and you can't have them internally without the plane literally exploding. This is a fact. Look at the inlets yourself and find a hinge point for them.

You're also confusing the F-22's (or F/A-22, if you buy the current mission tasking) mission. It is not a high-speed interceptor. It's an air superiority fighter and now they're claiming a multi-role fighter. Supercruise, which it has, is more desirable than max speed. It is also, because of the stealth characteristics, a very slow aerodynamically.It is well known that the F-22's engines are capable of easily overspeeding the airframe. The engines aren't the limiting factor in the top speed equation, the airframe is.

Now, the bleed doors on the spine look suspicious, but an understanding of how they work eliminates them from being able to allow the 22 to break the 2.5ish barrier.

Finishing blow: I've been inside the Marrietta, GA plant where F-22s are assembled. Because I don't have the need to know and wasn't made to sign anything, I can tell you that I saw the intakes under construction and there certainly was no variable intake mechanics. If such a thing was passed Classified in nature, I would not have been able to even see it from a distance, much less touch it (which I was still looked at sternly for, but common, F-22!). They also make the C-130J models there. Stupid C-130Js.

[TroubleBound]

Sooo... Yeah Ace Combat shant have sold themselves to XBOX. I miss my raptor. That is all.

[AZhitman]

When Mach 3 was being used in commercial flights.

Again, no.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

Again, no.

How did I miss that? The Concorde, who's top speed is decidedly unclassified, is Mach 2.3 or around there. And it has variable intakes! Amazing bird.