Holset turbo?

[Skeeg]

i was reading around about ebay turbos and came across a few topics in the RB section about these turbos, mostly the HX35.

i was wondering if anyone tried running these, or knows anything about them.

they sell pretty cheaply on ebay and i guess rebuilds are cheap. boost creep is common on internal gate, but little welding and external takes care of that.

500hp potential on these as i read.

im mostly curious on what kind of lag you would get as it seems like a monster.

[WDRacing]

Lag depends on the trim of the turbo. Holset makes a good turbo in general though.

[DeXteR]

Holset turbos mostly come from large diesle engines. They're usually VERY cheap and WAY better than the ching-ping crap you find on ebay. They're so cheap because there's a billion turbo diesle trucks in this country.

One problem you're going to run into is trying to find something in a reasonable trim level. Remember, these turbos were used on large displacement, high compression engines. Spooling it with your 2.4 might be laggy, like you're assuming. You'll learn to live with it. You should also know, they're not all internally gated.

Another issue you'll probably have is that you'll need a new flange for your exhaust manifold/header to bolt it up. I'm pretty sure most Holsets you'll come across are a twin scroll, so you'll want to run some sort of divider in your header or port the exhaust housing to reduce turbulance. Then find/make a flange that will fit so you can bolt it up.

Why more people don't use these turbos, I don't know - maybe they're scared of the extra work involved because it doesn't just "bolt up." Whatever, I'm going to use one.

[Skeeg]

about the twin scroll, and the trim... i was looking around google for new housings and i came across these...

http://www.timsturbos.com/Turb....html

ive never worked on a turbo or anything, but how hard would it be to replace the housing... its a T3 .63trim housing made to accept the compressor from the holset.

this i think would help with the lag? once again, im not sure on the whole rebuild of that part but how hard can it be lol, also id be doing a full rebuild with a kit for it.

[WDRacing]

The T3/TO4 can be purchased new for under $300 with a full year warranty. So you may just wanna go that route...

BlindSide Imports

[Skeeg]

were is the fun in that

i see RB guys running these turbos up to the 450hp area.... tho i dont want that much power its nice to know i could haha.

what kind of power will that turbo u pointed out yelled?

[Skeeg]

did some reading and i narrowed it down to either getting a H1C or a hx/hy35.

both are t3 flange, and depending on the turbine housing reach full boost around 35-3600rpm.

see guys running these on stock block around 20psi for ~400hp on stock block.

[boker240]

did some reading and i narrowed it down to either getting a H1C or a hx/hy35.

both are t3 flange, and depending on the turbine housing reach full boost around 35-3600rpm.

see guys running these on stock block around 20psi for ~400hp on stock block.

skeeg, im not tryin to b di**, but have u done any research on how much boost a stck ka can handle??im meen really 10-12 psi =close to 300 hp's.

cast pistons dont take much more than that w/out caving in ring lands.

with a perfect tune ,u aint gonna do more than that ,and have it last.do some research on ka-t.org!!!!!!!!!

[GTR PrYdE]

skeeg, im not tryin to b di**, but have u done any research on how much boost a stck ka can handle??im meen really 10-12 psi =close to 300 hp's.

cast pistons dont take much more than that w/out caving in ring lands.

with a perfect tune ,u aint gonna do more than that ,and have it last.do some research on ka-t.org!!!!!!!!!

You haven't done your research!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

zerothread?id=284262

[boker240]

yea ,did u hear how many times he blew the motor? and that thing is tuned prfectly. he's been dialing it in for a long time. hes a motor builder and is a ka-t god...u dont just slap a turbo on astock motor and up the boost till u get to 450 hp's, ther is alot of time , money, tuning, and t/and error to go into getting it to that point.95% of us wont b able to get those #'s out of stock ka w/ out all the other stuff that i just said.look at ka-t.org....3000+ post the man knows his **** .research for years and u might b able to do the same thing. might!also ,,key phrase in my post is "and have it last".

[Skeeg]

please show were i wanted 400+ hp?

cuz i never said that, i just want something i can use down the road if need be. im going to be running hopefully 300hp... as that is my goal.

thanks for the concern tho, oh and i have done research on that... i knew it wont hold, im not some dumb kid. ive been on this forum for a long time just reading, i dont ever post unless i truly cant figure something out, or need input.

[WDRacing]

skeeg, im not tryin to b di**, but have u done any research on how much boost a stck ka can handle??im meen really 10-12 psi =close to 300 hp's.

cast pistons dont take much more than that w/out caving in ring lands.

with a perfect tune ,u aint gonna do more than that ,and have it last.do some research on ka-t.org!!!!!!!!!

Don't come on here linking to KAT.Org like they are the end all to KA info.

Also...don't go spouting crap when you have NO idea what you're talking about. I'll not tolerate people regurgitating **** they read on the internet.

There isn't ANYTHING on the org that Nico doesn't have.

The perfect tune? WTF are you talking about...making 350whp is as simple as dropping in a ECU from JWT and adding boost. The pistons are fine for closer to 500whp if you avoid detonation. The rods bend before the pistons go for that matter.

So why don't YOU do some research. Post count does not mean you know what you're talking about.

were is the fun in that

i see RB guys running these turbos up to the 450hp area.... tho i dont want that much power its nice to know i could haha.

what kind of power will that turbo u pointed out yelled?

The T3/TO4 is good for 450ish WHP.

[srblacks131]

This is the best picture I can find of my setup. Its a Holset H1C. I bought a 16cm exhaust housing for it with no internal gate. If you buy a Holset you could go to some websites and buy 9, 12, 14, 16, 18 cm housings, which ever you choose. The 16 isnt too bad. I get 25 lbs around 4500 rpms. But the smaller the housing, the lower the lag. Good turbos for the price

[Skeeg]

yea i think i saw your car wen i was doing some searches...would u say the 9 or 12cm housing is closest to a AR63?

i want power as low as possible, and for it to carry out for most of the power band, if at all possible. i plan to do some grip driving and maybe some drifting haha.

[boker240]

Don't come on here linking to KAT.Org like they are the end all to KA info.

Also...don't go spouting crap when you have NO idea what you're talking about. I'll not tolerate people regurgitating **** they read on the internet.

There isn't ANYTHING on the org that Nico doesn't have.

The perfect tune? WTF are you talking about...making 350whp is as simple as dropping in a ECU from JWT and adding boost. The pistons are fine for closer to 500whp if you avoid detonation. The rods bend before the pistons go for that matter.

So why don't YOU do some research. Post count does not mean you know what you're talking about.

The T3/TO4 is good for 450ish WHP.

really, i have a jwt ecu tune and boosted 15-18 psi on a stock block and it lasted 11 days , caved in the ring lands on every piston, did not bend any rods.20 btm is what i was at also .jwt tunes the ecu to run at that timing , they take caree of the timing in the ecu supposedly. ialso have 615 inj. and z32 maf that the ecu was tuned to when it did it .and as far as the det. thing goes, how are u going to avoid det. at high boostwhen the ka's stock pistons are9.5.1-9.8.1 cuz thats what they are. race gas is gonna help but ur not gonna daily drive race gas are u? no. im also talking dd thats getting beat on every day and lasting years. i guess what im sayin is realistically how much hp's can u have on a dd ,stock internals ka, no race gas cuz ur not gonna dd race gas.93 oct. sorry i wasnt more clear .

[nelson8708]

here is a vid of a ka with the hy35 on it. He said he starts to hit boost around 2800-3000rpm range. I believe he is on 7psi.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuMsN43L2kE

[boker240]

All of this comes to a close with me voicing my opinion and saying a safe bet for a sound motor when tuned properly is about 350WHP. Some will go farther, some will not. If my goals were more then 350WHP, I'd seriously consider saving for forged internals.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^wdracing u said this,,,,, open mouth insert foot.

[Skeeg]

um... get out... u are not reading anything ive said, and you really arnt helping at all

but thx for the input.

[BoostFab]

did some reading and i narrowed it down to either getting a H1C or a hx/hy35.

both are t3 flange, and depending on the turbine housing reach full boost around 35-3600rpm.

see guys running these on stock block around 20psi for ~400hp on stock block.

if you are worrying about lag, which i don't think would be the case with the hx35 on the ka. also the hy35 have a smaller exhaust housing, same size as the garrett a/r .63. the hx uses t3 flange. these holset turbo are very durable, i have seen these turbo on a truck with 250k miles and it's the original turbo that came on the truck too. btw, i will b-slap anyone who compares these holset turbos to the sh1tty ebay chin turbo.

[Skeeg]

biggest reason i was looking at these turbos is its ability to last long and keep running strong.

so now its between the holset turbo, or the new T3/T04E posted above.

[Reno]

holset

[Gisqc1]

Those turbos looks pretty interesting.. but so confusing.

So HY35 as a smaller trim than the HX35? And that also reduce the lag? And H1C just seem to big for my goals...

*Sorry threadjack!* If i'm hoping around 250-275whp HY35 would be the best choice in those holsets?

Btw WD is the T3/T4 from the site u posting a good deal? Good quality turbo or it's similar to ebay turbo's?
Modified by Gisqc1 at 8:28 PM 1/4/2008

[WDRacing]

All of this comes to a close with me voicing my opinion and saying a safe bet for a sound motor when tuned properly is about 350WHP. Some will go farther, some will not. If my goals were more then 350WHP, I'd seriously consider saving for forged internals.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^wdracing u said this,,,,, open mouth insert foot.

As a general basis for Noobs that don't know what they're doing douchnozzle. If you were the least bit educated you'd realize that you can't sticky info that is meant for noobs to read and quote what I would consider the max tolerance as a good idea.

Either be constructive or you can stay on KAT.ORG. Arguing with me will simply get you banned, why, cause I can. Thanks for playing though

[WDRacing]

Btw WD is the T3/T4 from the site u posting a good deal? Good quality turbo are it's similar to ebay turbo's?

I think they may be rebuilt ebay units, I dunno for sure. I do know guys that are running them with no issues and they have a one year warranty. No EBay unit will have that.

WD

[16-bit]

Yeh, I don't trust fleabay turbos even though efeezi ran one for a while with some success. There are people who have pushed the envelope on things, such as nissanfanatic, and they have achieved some amazing HP numbers on OEM/Stock parts.

The holset HY/HX35 is approximately (and i say that loosely) similar to the T3/TO4E .63 AR that I am running. If you want me to recommend a quality turbo to you, JGS sells the turbonetics .63AR for $740 (that was the price when I bought mine, could be up a hair since then). It also comes with a 1 year no questions asked warranty.

As for the stock KA motor and PSI/Power handling, I honestly don't plan on taking my stock one over the 12psi I'm running now. It has lasted me several months and has shown me no signs of diasagreement with my setup. I street tuned it myself and it feels like around 300whp. some people push it, some people don't. And if you want my opinion (yes its mine), don't push too hard if you don't have the money/time/resources to clean up the mess.

As for the "There isn't ANYTHING on the org that Nico doesn't have.", I must disagree. I can assure you that there are plenty of things on ka-t that is not on nico, and that includes me and much of what i do/share with people (such as my useful KA-T based tunes thread).

I don't mean any insult to Nico, but I basically assume that Nico is the last stop, and I had a bad experience with a moderator. (basically a guy asked how to learn to drift and 80% of the replies involved people saying to use parkinglots, etc, and the mod didn't like how all of us could possibly promote illegal activity... lol. a childs' concept of right/wrong.). So i don't come here much.


Modified by 16-bit at 9:02 PM 1/4/2008

[boker240]

As a general basis for Noobs that don't know what they're doing douchnozzle. If you were the least bit educated you'd realize that you can't sticky info that is meant for noobs to read and quote what I would consider the max tolerance as a good idea.

Either be constructive or you can stay on KAT.ORG. Arguing with me will simply get you banned, why, cause I can. Thanks for playing though

awwwwwww!!! did i make u look bad, and i did quote u ,CUZ THATS WHAT U SAID!!!!!!!!!FORGED AFTER 350HP. I meen if ur gonna post a sticky then stand by it dont defffer from it .i quoted it ,u posted it..

read this whole thing skeeg and see what he went through to get it there

zerothread?id=284262i dont think u want to do that!!!

[mach5camaross]

you dont need forged internals for 350whp. There are quiet a few people doing that on the stock 120k bottom end. At that power level you are best off just rebuilding the stock bottom end, with new rings/bearings/gaskets and all that other stuff just to have a fresh motor and all your stuff new. But it all depends on $$$$$$$. Well if you start playing the turbo and higher boost game, no mater what the car, you should know its going to take $$$$ to keep it going and know what can happen(motor go boom) If you are not willing to accept ****s going to break, find a differant hobby.

Also, on the KA, That I have scene on all the forums I am on, the highest numbers on a t3/t04e was corys 422whp. However, my buddy is making 464whp on a B18 on stock head and intake manifold @22psi

The HX35 is a much bigger turbo then then a t3/t4.

[spank044]

boker240 go f@$# yourself. Nothing pisses me off more than someone that is non-constructive. My ka-t had 338,226 miles on the original engine and boosted 14 psi last year. I pulled it in the fall to do a full rebuild reusing factory rods and pistons. In the spring I am going to dyno and hope for 300 whp.

One more thing, what setup are you running?
Modified by spank044 at 9:16 PM 1/5/2008

[WDRacing]

As a general basis for Noobs that don't know what they're doing douchnozzle. If you were the least bit educated you'd realize that you can't sticky info that is meant for noobs to read and quote what I would consider the max tolerance as a good idea.

Either be constructive or you can stay on KAT.ORG. Arguing with me will simply get you banned, why, cause I can. Thanks for playing though

awwwwwww!!! did i make u look bad, and i did quote u ,CUZ THATS WHAT U SAID!!!!!!!!!FORGED AFTER 350HP. I meen if ur gonna post a sticky then stand by it dont defffer from it .i quoted it ,u posted it..

read this whole thing skeeg and see what he went through to get it there

zerothread?id=284262i dont think u want to do that!!!

I warned you...bye now

[Reno]

Lookie what we've have here... http://www.ka-t.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=30728