holding my drift longer

[DrifterBoy240]

well i have been drift for about a year now and i can drift a corner but when it comes to holding a drift for the next corner i really cant do it i have a diff, and suspension, in a '91 240sx. How does everyone else do it? do you play with the gas and the clutch?

[naed240sx]

well i have been drift for about a year now and i can drift a corner but when it comes to holding a drift for the next corner i really cant do it i have a diff, and suspension, in a '91 240sx. How does everyone else do it? do you play with the gas and the clutch?

essentially, yes. Learn by practice.

[Slappy]

well, i learned to hold me drifts longer by entering the corner at higher speeds.

and yes, by constant throttle feathering and steering control.

also, my tien tie rod and tie rods ends help sooooooo much.

[virus77]

go in faster and you have to maintain wheelspin through the corner, which may require keeping your foot down on the pedal. Depending on your tire grip and engine power it may not be possible to hold a second gear drift through a long section, assuming you are trying to do this in second because its not very possible in first. This was the case with my stock KA and 275's in the back but I can light them up nicely now

[Akihisa]

Throttle control is key, to make the rear end kick back the opposite way cut the throttle until you fell the rear wheels start to gain grip then get back in the throttle and it should be going the other way. Try not to be too aggressive with the steering as the front wheels will allows want to be pointed where the car wants to go.

[DrifterBoy240]

well it's more like if there is a corner and lets say its a left turn and there is a second left turn but there is a little bit of a striaght i want to be able to hold my drift through that. i've got the throttle control i can hold drifts around turns, tight and long, its just being able to do it through a "hair-pin" type of turn

[Akihisa]

Go into the first turn a little hot and about 3/4 around it use the e-brake all the way the the start of the second one, then get back in the throttle. Learning to use the left side of your right foot for the brake an right side for throttle will allow you to slow down alitte before the turn too and keep the RPM,s up in the power range.

[MainEvent212]

forget all this junk...it's not that hard

you keep your foot to the floor, dont ***** out.

If you're not making the transition--MORE SPEED

practice steering control, and practice balls control (meaning, keeping your foot to the floor even when you feel like it's too much)

why do you think that when you watch D1, when they transition, the smoke dosent stop? Because they are transitioning under throttle. Dont let off, no ebrake.

Further more, to correct the E-brake statement. Generally the E-brake is to initiate far ahead of the turn for straight line initiation. Also, it's used to adjust angle a little bit, not to change directions at all.

[574-240sx]

Wide open throttle and start with a clutch kick. Ebrake you will loose to much speed. Sounds like you are still N/A too. Enter faster and try to keep the speed. You have to sacrafice some angle but keep the speed up.

[sdtouge]

also dont be scared to clutch kick like 5 times during the drift.... keep it going that way too

[MainEvent212]

no need for clutch kicking really. Maybe a little one for initiation. Use the clutch kick to add some angle, just by blipping the clutch like you would do the brakes to tuck the nose in some.

Just practice steering into the drift and then steering out. I see so many people try to power over and they just plow really badly (S13's mostly). Practice weight transfer by shifting the weight to the opposite direction first. Think of it like a pendulum

[sdtouge]

if your loosting trhe drift at wot, clutch kick will help you keep it going a little bit. atleast it does for me.

[DrifterBoy240]

well i am still running a stock KA so it is still N/A and i've tried the e-brake and all i do when i pull it is seem to spin or get to side ways and spin out and ive got the balls to hold it to the floor, trust me it's just the part about speed is the problem now

[MainEvent212]

ok, just because you THINK you're going fast, dosent mean you are

generally, to hold a long drift, you need to be going pretty fast.

Have you ever watched the drift bible before?

If you have, refer to the part where he tells you to practice in a parking lot doing donuts. (if you can find a culdesac, that is my favorite place to practice, because it gives you a maximum distance you can travel before you hit the curb...The idea is to try and trace the curb w/ your rear while keeping as deep of an angle as possible. Try going around and around in a medium sized culdesac (or around a light pole in a parking lot) Try and keep the spacing consistant and try to see how many rotations you can make before you lose it. Once you can do one direction, try the other one.

Shoot for 2 or 3 rotations at first...but after a few weeks of practice, you should pretty much be able to do it for as long as you feel necessary...or until you get bored and decide to try something else lol

[DrifterBoy240]

okay well i have watched the drift bible but i cant do anything in a parking lot i screwed my self on that one long story and police were involved lets leave it at that. N-E WAYS i was at a drift event this past weekend and i tried some new stuff and found what worked for me, all it is when i go itnto the turn i clutch kick to intiate the drift and after the car is sideways i give a light thottle and then with a counter steer and then slightly steer back into it with some gas and dorifto and thanks to dave from club fr to give me some advice.

[574-240sx]

ClubFR events are a great place to learn.

[Dori Dori]

why do you think that when you watch D1, when they transition, the smoke dosent stop? Because they are transitioning under throttle. Dont let off, no ebrake.

Further more, to correct the E-brake statement. Generally the E-brake is to initiate far ahead of the turn for straight line initiation. Also, it's used to adjust angle a little bit, not to change directions at all.

Watch any in car D1 footage and you'll see that throttle lift DOES occur and ebrake drift extensions DO take place and the smoke never stops. It's for the same damn reason the smoke is still pouring out of their wheel wells and cockpit long AFTER they've already driven off the track though...becuase there's so much of it! 400whp+ and baller *** tires = loads of smoke.

Consider the e-brake a tool. You can use it more than one was, as do most d1 and pro level drivers. You can initiate, correct angle, and extend drifts.

Do you know why ebrake is used for early initiations? For the same reason D1 and pro level drivers sometimes use it during a drift...to extend it. Sometimes throttle just won't do it. Nobody takes a perfect line every time. I agree that it seems like he needs to stay on the throttle longer, but don't mislead him. EBRAKE WILL EXTEND YOUR DRIFTS. Especially in the example he posted where he's going from on turn (left) to a straight and then another turn (left). Before you try to mash the trottle all the way through, use the ebrake to extend it. It works. No ebrake for transitions though. That would be weird...and bad.

[sdtouge]

some of the guys are WOT the whole way with ebrake to control. forsberg does htis.

if they were WOT the wole way no ebrake, they would spin out.

[DrifterBoy240]

well i dont like to relly on the e-brake, dont get me wrong it is a good tool but when i come in to fast lets say when im on the street and i see the turn i dont think i would use the e-brake unless im understeering, plus the e-brake really slows my pace down and when the e-brake is used i feel so outa place when i use it i dont know why but i do.

[MainEvent212]

at this low level of skill level, the ebrake shouldnt be used for initiation and here's why

when Komatsu Fumiaki slides down the straight w/ the ebrake, 2 things are on his side, that you undoubtedly lack (no offense, i lack it too)

1. his car is BOOKING...i mean this in the way, he is going VERY fast...a good 3 times too fast for the turn at least

2. he has very good timing. He knows how to not overshoot or undershoot

not to mention the givens such as his car's level of preparation and such.

at an entry level of drifting you need one skill. Clutch Kick. Other then that, just go fast and practice not understeering...and it's all good

[Dori Dori]

Well, when you're going D1 speeds, it's a fact that sometimes your timing will be off. I just watched the newest Option D1 (volume 18) last night and they were hitting 120mph before pulling the ebrake...that's sick fast to drift w/ 0 bank. The fastest initiation I've ever done was at Orlando Speed World where I was initiating close to 90mph (almost top of third clutch kick) but the track was banked! Oh, the point...some of the top D1 guys still overshot and undershot and ended up crashing or going off course...it's just the way it is.

[DrifterBoy240]

but i really dont think im D1 qualified yet ot close to D1 standards so lets leave them alone since we only wish we could be like them (not to rag on some people) but the e-brake sometimes just deosnt feel right and im sure some or most people will agree and if your coming into a turn at 90mph then all you have to do is just let off the gas at the right time, heal-toe, down shift, and drift the corner ( i have done this on several occasions w/o a bank in the corner). so ehh.... there is times to pull the e-brake and times to not pull the e-brake im sure most drivers would agree with that.

[Dori Dori]

IDK wth you're implying...but if your car steps out from turning in with no drift techniques to initiate the drift, your car is setup wrong. Add to that the fact that you have to ask how to hold a drift longer makes me wonder how you could initiate at 90. But w.e. Good luck to you.

[MainEvent212]

yeah...you may have done that in initial D but not in real life...heel toe and downshift=drift?

since when? lol

the fastest i've ever gone was on a banked oval, initiating at about 6800 (estimated more or less...one time i i bounced off the rev limiter as i initated into the turn) so i'd assume it's 90 something as well

i woulda gone faster but it was my first time on a high speed bank

[sdtouge]

6800 in third gear or fourth. cause if its third thats like 75. im doing irwindale next weekend and if you do the whole oval you need to initiate about 90 lol.

also, ebrake can be to adjust line, say if the nose is cutting to close, yank the ebrake and it slides the car out.

[MainEvent212]

sorry wow, i completely miscalculated that lol

top of 3rd gear, so that's like 75ish haha

i wanna try 4th gear on a bigger track

[DrifterBoy240]

well all i know that i come in extremely fast and i dont really have to e-brake maybe a light tug but i dont pull my heart out on it. but if you dont believe me ohh well....