Hillary in 2012?

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Enticing thread title is enticing. ;)

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I don't mean Clinton as the presidential candidate. That was, admittedly, a ruse. I watch Joe continue to make gaffs and demonstrate just how much strength he DOES NOT bring to the ticket and this election is going to be a hard one for Obama. He can't really run on his record. He can point to the Republicans and wag a finger which is pretty much what his whole approach has been from the first days of his fledgling candidacy and some of those charges would be fair.

America right now is really pissed off, though, and they are in a mood to punish someone just like last cycle. That trick only works when you are the challenger, though. As 2008 was a referendum on Bush, 2012 will very much be a referendum on Obama. He is going to be vilified in much the same way Bush was.

Obama has not fixed this economy and truth be told even if he had really done some things that were irrefutably good and all his doing the incumbent president is always punished for a sagging economy and they would not be given due credit. He's in trouble no matter who comes out on top in the Republican free for all that is about to kick off. What can he do?

FIRE JOE BIDEN!

I will admit that I felt Hillary Clinton was the strongest candidate in the 2008 cycle. So strong in fact that if she had been the Democratic nominee I may have actually voted for her. She got f*** by the party, though. They wanted Obama for whatever reason and her tenacious performance was unexpected, damned inconvenient and they had to throw her a bone to get her to back off. Secretary of State anyone? ;)

She seems to have done a decent job and has remained an independent force in the administration. I don't think people associate her directly with the thing that they will be going to the polls to vote on, the economy. Her name on the 2012 ticket could yield benefits.

She has demonstrated a foreign policy understanding and ability doing the real rubber meets the road work. She already had the legislative experience, more than Obama had for sure. She can bring back those voters who felt as I did and may have turned away from the party after that screw job. People claim she brings the female vote, but I'm not sure how true that is. I think it safe to say she likely wouldn't hurt that demographic. The name evokes some nostalgia from her husband's administration which I think more than two people think did ok. You know she is going to run in 2016 so for the good of the Democrat party it would be a good strategic move to line her up this go around UNLESS you think a potential Obama second term is going to be a trainwreck in which case you have her resign at a crucial point over "differences with the president" so you can paint her as an outsider who disillusioned Democrats can rush to in 2016.

Polling, older polling, yes, even suggests that in a hypothetical 2012 race with her on the Democrat ticket for president she wins.
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A new Time magazine poll shows Clinton easily defeating the major Republican candidates, were she somehow to become the 2012 Democratic nominee for president.

Clinton leads Mitt Romney, 55% to 38%; Rick Perry, 58% to 32%; and Herman Cain, 56% to 34%, among likely voters in a general election.

(Time magazine notes, "The same poll found that President Obama would edge Romney by just 46% to 43%, Perry by 50% to 38% and Cain by 49% to 37% among likely voters." Clinton's leads are bigger.)
It's an interesting idea I think, but I don't know if they will get rid of Biden. It would affirm that he is a weak link in the administration and that would be bad at first. It's not like it's not well known, though, so I think after the initial shock it would be perceived by many as at least necessary, but perhaps by more than some a good move. I firmly believe it would only help Obama's chances of a second chance to a** rape our country which I assume is something he would enjoy. He seems to think it's pretty cool being the prez and I don't think anyone would begrudge him trying to keep the party, for him at least, going.

If that's what he wants dumping the mean old man should help.

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Biden must like the taste of his own feet. :chuckle:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/joe- ... wl-011912/
Vice President Joe Biden managed to elicit boos at a Democratic fundraiser in San Francisco by declaring the Giants "are on their way to the Super Bowl."

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He covered himself by saying he was thinking of the SF Giants. What a dork!

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Looks like Hillary is done after this year, or next if this putz gets re-elected, she said she'd stay on for the transition. I couldnt help thinking, seeing her at the SOTU the other night, she just looked about completely spent, like a ghost. As much as I disagree with many of her politics, I admire her strength as a woman in a man's world. I think she probably did about as well of a job as she could with what she had to work with this term. I wish her well.

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I think that Hilary is getting herself ready for a push to be the Democratic Part Presidential candidate in 2016. Which means that she needs to bow out of the Sec of State position in 2012 (assuming that President Obama is re-elected) and get more political experience elsewhere. If President Obama messes up in any major way in the next four years, she needs to be distant from it.

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True, but damn if she just didn't look completely shot out the other night.

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szh wrote:I think that Hilary is getting herself ready for a push to be the Democratic Part Presidential candidate in 2016. Which means that she needs to bow out of the Sec of State position in 2012 (assuming that President Obama is re-elected) and get more political experience elsewhere. If President Obama messes up in any major way in the next four years, she needs to be distant from it.

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^ I agree she's probably gearing up for another presidential campaign for 2016, and with the experience she's gained as SOS and NY Senator, she'd make a strong candidate.

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Bubba1 wrote:
szh wrote:I think that Hilary is getting herself ready for a push to be the Democratic Part Presidential candidate in 2016. Which means that she needs to bow out of the Sec of State position in 2012 (assuming that President Obama is re-elected) and get more political experience elsewhere. If President Obama messes up in any major way in the next four years, she needs to be distant from it.

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^ I agree she's probably gearing up for another presidential campaign for 2016, and with the experience she's gained as SOS and NY Senator, she'd make a strong candidate.
Yup. She would be a very strong candidate - with the added experience she has now, plus whatever she actively gets involved in over the next four years, she would get a lot of voters on her side.

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You guys are scaring me. You think Obama was bad, she has much scarier ideas, along with actual balls to get them done. FML if she gets elected!

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stebo0728 wrote:You guys are scaring me. You think Obama was bad, she has much scarier ideas, along with actual balls to get them done. FML if she gets elected!
I didn't say I'm voting for her, I said she'd make a strong candidate, Mr. conclusion jumper. ;)

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Oh sorry I wasnt assuming you'd vote for her, I was just expressing my terror.

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Bubba1 wrote:
stebo0728 wrote:You guys are scaring me. You think Obama was bad, she has much scarier ideas, along with actual balls to get them done. FML if she gets elected!
I didn't say I'm voting for her, I said she'd make a strong candidate, Mr. conclusion jumper. ;)
Same here. :chuckle:

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stebo0728 wrote:You guys are scaring me. You think Obama was bad, she has much scarier ideas, along with actual balls to get them done. FML if she gets elected!
I'll bite. Which ideas?

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We'll save that for a time when she actually runs again.


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