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Thu Aug 25, 2022 6:54 pm
The issue that urged me to bring the Infiniti G37 to the dealership is fault code P0507, (high idle condition) where the engine idles at about 2,000 RPM, (normal idle is 650 RPM). I firmly believe this condition initiated while trying to start the vehicle with it's battery having a very low charge. At that time, the engine made several slow revolutions, (about three) before comming to an abrupt halt. I believe during this failed attempt to start the engine, the Throttle Body Electric Servo Motors suffered some damage or were otherwise thrown out of synchronization due to a low voltage signal. It is also my belief, the damaged / out of sync servo/s will not, (according to diagnostic tools), accept the "Idle Re-learn process". I also suspect the diagnostic equipment, (and therefore Infiniti Technicions), are unable to ascertain the reason for the initial fault.
I previously took the car to a different Infiniti dealer where the mechanic did the initial diagnosis he stated; "It will not re-learn the idle setting", I was subsequently advised by Customer Service, "The mechanic did the wrong test on the wrong size engine". I was utterly astounded by this. The "Trained Professional" at the Infiniti Service center conducted the "wrong test on the wrong size engine". The end result: To correct the condition and re-learn the idle, I was advised a new ECM was required. Now having lost all confidence I declined further service.
After conducting additional research, I located a firm that would, (utilizing the VIN# and security information), supply a reprogramed ECM. I replaced the OEM ECM with a reprogramed unit, (fault code free with all security data cloned). After replacing the ECM, the high idle condition remained and normal idle could not be re-learned.
I then replaced the "new" ECM with the original ECM and contacted another Infiniti dealer hoping for a more accurate assement . The result was essentially the same, I was advised the idle could not be re-learned and a new ECM was necessary.
I'm certain the Infiniti technicians are trained and adept at conducting diagnostics however, conversing with the technician leads me to believe they are willing to simply acceptance the readout / results from the diagnostic laptop screen and less able to give thought or perspective to events precipitating the fault code.
During my discussion with the Infiniti technician, he stated "The brake pedal is hard and needs a booster" I tried explaining to the technician the performance of the brake booster is contingent on the level of manifold vacuum pressure which is greatest during closed throttle position. Since the problem with the subject vehicle is "high idle condition" the throttle valve is in a (Part Throttle Open) position, (i.e. akin to having one foot on the gas pedal trying to drive at 30MPH and the other foot on the brake). Thus under a part open throttle condition, sufficient manifold vacuum pressure is not generated to support all the vehicle's systems requiring negatitive pressure, (including the brake booster). I do not believe the technicion understands this fact.
My question to the Customer Service person, "What if the ECM is again replaced and the condition is not rectified?" The response was; the cost of the new ECM would be refunded and the OEM ECM replaced, (sounds to me like "trial and error")
Lacking confidence replacing the ECM will resolve the problem, I'm currently left with conducting additional research and verifying the condition of the Throttle Body servo motors.
I'm a retired Director of Engineering and a former mechanic servicing motorcycles, autos and diesel trucks. I have a wealth of knowledge on many aspects of engines, drivetrains, brake systems etc., but this high Idle Condition has stumped me.
Does anyone have any input or had a similar condition?