Hey everyone! My name is Dave and I'm just a tad late to the party. I have a '13 Rogue SL I bought new. Ex-Volkswagen (Passat) junkie and wanted a bigger car to fit stuff, AWD and no timing belts. I love my Rogue but also have a few questions and concerns. It has all the bells and whistles (HID, all around camera, NAV (anyone ever figure out how to copy a NAV SD card yet?), AWD, Bose, etc. I'm a big audio guy and used to compete in SPL competitions when I had my trusty Oldsmobile but in the Passat and Rogue I kept it simple. I see some misinformation floating around here about the BOSE. Dealers and the web says it has a "6.5" inch subwoofer. No. It's not even 5", maybe 4". I tried the stuffing in the enclosure to make it sound tighter and it worked to some degree but it lost the loudness. The sub is 1 ohm, some speakers are 2 ohm but if I'm not mistaken it was the tweeters that read 3-4 ohms on a multimeter. Bose seems to be all over the place in this car. I replaced all my speakers (had to keep the OEM headunit because of the cameras and its not too bad.). I used a coaxial 3.5" Pioneer in the center speaker but desoldered the tweeter so its just the midrange. The tweeter was messing up the imaging bad and threw sound all over the place. It seems BOSE had an almost 3-way component set up up front. The "tweeters" were replaced with a pair of ancient Cadence (yeah, remember when they made good stuff??) tweeters with no crossovers. The built in crossovers in the Bose amp were high enough already to where it will play them perfectly without distortion. The Passat's OEM Blaupunkt amp was pretty much the same too where you didn't need high pass filters. The front woofers... Jeez, it like Nissans's/Bose's smoke and mirrors routine to make it seem like the car gives out decent and loud bass. I just took an old pair of Pioneer 3 way 6x9 and desoldered and completely removed the tweeter/midrange assembly since the door speakers up front only play midbass and lower. The great thing about Pioneer's are they play subwoofer freq bass from even their 5.25"s, they're efficient and super cheap and easy to come by. That last one was my number one selling point. In the back doors I put in some beastly old school Cadence 6.5" (I had to make custom MDF rings for them or the back window wouldn't roll down) with a bracket over them to mount some old Infinity tweeters I had laying around so I could angle them up to the listener. I used the same brackets on the front tweeters to angle them where ever i wanted and since Nissan's number one concern ISN'T cabin acoustics. For the sub, I kept the BOSE box and sub where it was but I ran speaker cable directly from it's built in amp to a custom ported box with a dual 2 ohm Image Dynamics 8" subwoofer. Big difference. Does it slam...no. But definitely cleaner and louder than the 4" monster... The main problem is "bass" on the radio doesn't boost the subwoofer at all, only the door speakers. Also to cover themselves, Bose has that bass limiter in their head unit so you won't distort and blow out your speakers when you crank it. The overall system does sound a million times better (and that's with speakers that maybe are older than some of you on here) and gets ridiculously loud (the volume is at half of what the factory speakers were set to on the headunit). Don't worry about getting 2 ohm special speakers. Mine are all 4 ohm and up. Except for the sub, 2 ohm will barely move the cone. Gotta go 1 ohm on that. My question is, what's up with the EQ on the sources on the headunit?? FM, Sirius and CD are all amazing sounding and even a little bass heavy at times. But the USB hooked up to an iPod (lossless and lossy files), a thumbdrive with the same music files or anything else completely almost cut off the bass. The ultra low frequencies are gone. I've never seen that. Why would they completely change the EQ of the system from one source to the next? I looked this up and searched and no one has ever seemed to notice... Also does anyone have the Bose amp wiring? I would like to put in just a sub amp and I know this is a balanced system (3 wire instead of 2 wire RCA) but finding an exact wiring scheme and colors to match my year and make seem to be hit and miss. Schematics are given but hard to figure out, people are randomly putting speaker (high) to RCA (low) adapter on the Bose (thats not right) and it seems wire colors change on certain years. It's funny how its so easy to rip everything out and do it from scratch but trying to work with the factory equipment is a giant hassle. So far I love my car and even my sister loved my car so much that she got an 2014/15 (? the first year they completely changed them) but had nothing but problems. When the trans completely died on the highway, and had to fight Nissan to cover it, she sold it and got a Hyandui thing SUV thing... Well I'll be on here asking questions and giving advice speaker/electronic-wise if anyone needs it. I'm happy to be here!
Hi! New Member
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hardtimez2517
- Posts: 3
- Joined: Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:42 am
- Car: '13 Rogue SL
Hi! New Member
Hey everyone! My name is Dave and I'm just a tad late to the party. I have a '13 Rogue SL I bought new. Ex-Volkswagen (Passat) junkie and wanted a bigger car to fit stuff, AWD and no timing belts. I love my Rogue but also have a few questions and concerns. It has all the bells and whistles (HID, all around camera, NAV (anyone ever figure out how to copy a NAV SD card yet?), AWD, Bose, etc. I'm a big audio guy and used to compete in SPL competitions when I had my trusty Oldsmobile but in the Passat and Rogue I kept it simple. I see some misinformation floating around here about the BOSE. Dealers and the web says it has a "6.5" inch subwoofer. No. It's not even 5", maybe 4". I tried the stuffing in the enclosure to make it sound tighter and it worked to some degree but it lost the loudness. The sub is 1 ohm, some speakers are 2 ohm but if I'm not mistaken it was the tweeters that read 3-4 ohms on a multimeter. Bose seems to be all over the place in this car. I replaced all my speakers (had to keep the OEM headunit because of the cameras and its not too bad.). I used a coaxial 3.5" Pioneer in the center speaker but desoldered the tweeter so its just the midrange. The tweeter was messing up the imaging bad and threw sound all over the place. It seems BOSE had an almost 3-way component set up up front. The "tweeters" were replaced with a pair of ancient Cadence (yeah, remember when they made good stuff??) tweeters with no crossovers. The built in crossovers in the Bose amp were high enough already to where it will play them perfectly without distortion. The Passat's OEM Blaupunkt amp was pretty much the same too where you didn't need high pass filters. The front woofers... Jeez, it like Nissans's/Bose's smoke and mirrors routine to make it seem like the car gives out decent and loud bass. I just took an old pair of Pioneer 3 way 6x9 and desoldered and completely removed the tweeter/midrange assembly since the door speakers up front only play midbass and lower. The great thing about Pioneer's are they play subwoofer freq bass from even their 5.25"s, they're efficient and super cheap and easy to come by. That last one was my number one selling point. In the back doors I put in some beastly old school Cadence 6.5" (I had to make custom MDF rings for them or the back window wouldn't roll down) with a bracket over them to mount some old Infinity tweeters I had laying around so I could angle them up to the listener. I used the same brackets on the front tweeters to angle them where ever i wanted and since Nissan's number one concern ISN'T cabin acoustics. For the sub, I kept the BOSE box and sub where it was but I ran speaker cable directly from it's built in amp to a custom ported box with a dual 2 ohm Image Dynamics 8" subwoofer. Big difference. Does it slam...no. But definitely cleaner and louder than the 4" monster... The main problem is "bass" on the radio doesn't boost the subwoofer at all, only the door speakers. Also to cover themselves, Bose has that bass limiter in their head unit so you won't distort and blow out your speakers when you crank it. The overall system does sound a million times better (and that's with speakers that maybe are older than some of you on here) and gets ridiculously loud (the volume is at half of what the factory speakers were set to on the headunit). Don't worry about getting 2 ohm special speakers. Mine are all 4 ohm and up. Except for the sub, 2 ohm will barely move the cone. Gotta go 1 ohm on that. My question is, what's up with the EQ on the sources on the headunit?? FM, Sirius and CD are all amazing sounding and even a little bass heavy at times. But the USB hooked up to an iPod (lossless and lossy files), a thumbdrive with the same music files or anything else completely almost cut off the bass. The ultra low frequencies are gone. I've never seen that. Why would they completely change the EQ of the system from one source to the next? I looked this up and searched and no one has ever seemed to notice... Also does anyone have the Bose amp wiring? I would like to put in just a sub amp and I know this is a balanced system (3 wire instead of 2 wire RCA) but finding an exact wiring scheme and colors to match my year and make seem to be hit and miss. Schematics are given but hard to figure out, people are randomly putting speaker (high) to RCA (low) adapter on the Bose (thats not right) and it seems wire colors change on certain years. It's funny how its so easy to rip everything out and do it from scratch but trying to work with the factory equipment is a giant hassle. So far I love my car and even my sister loved my car so much that she got an 2014/15 (? the first year they completely changed them) but had nothing but problems. When the trans completely died on the highway, and had to fight Nissan to cover it, she sold it and got a Hyandui thing SUV thing... Well I'll be on here asking questions and giving advice speaker/electronic-wise if anyone needs it. I'm happy to be here!
Re: Hi! New Member
Nice first post.
Can't help with anything speaker and wiring related, but it will be nice to have someone around the forums who seems to know what they are doing. Were/are you an audio installer?
I know you cannot edit your post now, but paragraphs and formatting are a good thing
You can download the AV section of the Field Service manual here: https://ufile.io/8nun2 It's for a 2009, but should be pretty much the same.
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casperfun
- Posts: 1447
- Joined: Mon Oct 26, 2009 4:59 am
- Car: 2009 Nissan Rogue SL AWD - Indigo Blue
- Location: Mid-Atlantic States
Re: Hi! New Member
Good read for car audiophiles.
+1 on the paragraph breaks.
I'm an old fart, started to read and was getting a headache.
Forcing me to read faster trying to find a break or get thru article quickly which made me dizzy.
Thought I was going to get a seizure!
The 2009 oem sounded muffled to me, but after changing the HU, it sounds way better!
Didn't change speakers since I do not play music as loud as my younger years.
Still sounds like a movie theater for the kids since dvd's are played through speakers.
+1 on the paragraph breaks.
I'm an old fart, started to read and was getting a headache.
Forcing me to read faster trying to find a break or get thru article quickly which made me dizzy.
Thought I was going to get a seizure!
The 2009 oem sounded muffled to me, but after changing the HU, it sounds way better!
Didn't change speakers since I do not play music as loud as my younger years.
Still sounds like a movie theater for the kids since dvd's are played through speakers.
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datechboss101
- Posts: 915
- Joined: Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:01 pm
- Car: 2016 Nissan Rogue SL -- RIP
2018 Nissan Kicks SR -- RIP
2019 Nissan Rogue SV w/ Prem. Pack - Location: Orlando, FL
Re: Hi! New Member
Sounds like you are an audio junkie and knows alot about speakers!
I've seen members on other forums (not naming them) who basically s***ed on the OP for not having multi-paragraphs.
I've seen members on other forums (not naming them) who basically s***ed on the OP for not having multi-paragraphs.
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hardtimez2517
- Posts: 3
- Joined: Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:42 am
- Car: '13 Rogue SL
Re: Hi! New Member
Hey guys! Sorry for the big a** paragraph. I'll definitely break it up from now on. I have a thing for great sound and speakers. But more in the home environment and use my car as the "fun" system.
My last car taught me how to my own mechanic due to rotted tubes and oil leaks but this car looks easy to work on. Big engine bay and everything is up front
I never worked on a car where "the big 3" literally took my less than an hour to do. Yay Rogue!
My last car taught me how to my own mechanic due to rotted tubes and oil leaks but this car looks easy to work on. Big engine bay and everything is up front
I never worked on a car where "the big 3" literally took my less than an hour to do. Yay Rogue!
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AlabamaDan
- Posts: 1750
- Joined: Fri Aug 02, 2002 12:37 pm
- Car: 2015 Infiniti Q70
1998 Infiniti QX4
Re: Hi! New Member
Welcome.
Re: Hi! New Member
Total speaker impedance should not go under 2 ohms. That all depends on whether the speakers are hooked up in parallel, series or series parallel. Crossovers should be designed to cover the frequency range of the speakers they are designed for and speakers should not face each other due to cancelling. Remember, low frequencies inside the confined space of a car are more "felt" than heard due to the long wavelength of lower frequencies and most of us will not hear frequencies above 10 KHZ. Wattages of speakers used in a system should be matched to give good overall output at all frequencies and to not overdrive the main amp.