Hey, I just bought a new Z

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Mike951
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Just bought a very nice 1990 300zx!! I love the car, the interior is completely re-done, and just about everything works! All it needs is a new engine.. and new diff mounts.. I've been doing A LOT of reading on all these Z-related forums and decided to finally introduce and show my face here. Lets see, I'm 23 years old about to ETS out of the military to go back home to new-mexico. This is my 3rd car i've ever bought with my own money but it is my first RWD car ever. I've owned a 92 probe lx, a 95 honda prelude (which i'm selling now btw) and now this Z. :biggrin:

Anyways, so I bought the car from this 65 year old GENTLEMAN right? I flew out to arkansas from texas just to pick it up I was so excited. Keep in mind I am pretty mechanically inclined and after a few discussions on the phone about the car I wanted to fly out to and drive back on my own I decided to finally go with it. All is good when homeboy picks me up from the airport. This guy was a Z enthusiast and really didn't want to sell the damn thing. We parked at the hotel I made reservations for so I could check it out and go on a drive. All looked nice, the interior is a 10/10. EVERYTHING works!! The only minor thing I noticed about the interior is that there is a relay for the a/c that cuts on and off sometimes when it is on full blast. Other than that, Perfecto!!! The outside is aztec red I believe, no chips or scratches except for obvious 22 year old wear n tear, but there is a faded white blemish of some sticky stuff he said he woke up too on the left front fender. Not noticeable in the picture but noticeable in person. So I took it for a test-drive and the thing drove like really awesome!! haha the throttle was a lot more heavy than my prelude because you actually had to put a little bit of weight on the pedal to get the appreciated response but I felt good to drive something different anyways. I drove up through a couple lights, hauled a** a couple times, then drove back to the hotel where I agreed I wanted too buy it. Everything seemed perfectly cherry about the car. No odd noises, immaculate interior, oil was a little black but he said it was due for an oil change anyways.. no biggy.. And plus he gave me 2 binders with about a hundred reciepts on everything he had done to the car along with a lot of faq's printed out from a lot of the websites ive found on google.
He had the reciepts for the NEW JDM transmission, NEW wiring harness, NEW SYSTEM, NEW leather seats, Oil changes he's had since he bought the car... What I'm trying to say is that this Z seemed like the most legitimate buy someone could ask for. Think about it, the paperwork on hand to proove his every word.

So.. I hand him the cash, he signs the bill of sale, title, blah blah blah. I start driving the long 8 hour drive back into texas when about 2 hours in I'm driving and I hear this loud !!!POP!!! I see white smoke in my rear view, and my temp. gauge skyrockets! So I know automatically I definitely blew a hose or possibly blew my radiator cap because there was too much pressure in the system or something. I pull over and found out the alternator serpentine belt snapped and smacked my upper flow radiator hose causing it to blow. Hours later, a tow truck picks me and my car up. We take it to his ma and pa's shop, then go to autozone to get 3 new belts and a new hose. When we come back it takes """"US""" about an hour to replace all 3 serpentine belts. Yes I helped him through the whole process. I had to throw away my white t-shirt. We go back inside and he charges me the full price as if he sat there for 2.7 hours and did it himself. I didn't really complain because I did get to learn a little bit about my new car and he was a cool enough old hippie dude. Whatever.
I start driving back.. Then I hear this "ticking" sound coming from the engine.. I'm like wtf is this really happening right now!!!??? The noise resulted into me spending the next 6 hour drive on my phone reading and researching everything I could find out about hydraulic lifters ticking and how to fix them. In the end I decided to flush the engine with ATF and the regularly used synthetic mobile 10w-30. So I go do that, start it up, let it run for a little (ticking is still there) then drain it out. The oil is still the color of deep space.. Pitch Black! I do it one more time and it's still.. Pitch black!
I end up taking the Z to a shop called deepstage where I got a lot of my previous work done on my prelude. Great guys! I went in and asked them to do there motor flush stuff for about 100$. (they did this to my prelude and after driving 3000 miles on synthetic the oil is STILL gold.) Awesome!!! So they do the flush and the oil is gold as it could be but the ticking is still there!!! I didn't know what to do. I planned on taking the plenum and valve covers off myself to make sure everything was to spec and see if I could find out whats wrong, but before I did that I decided to take it back to deepstage the next day to get a second opinion. So I talked to drew, the owner who knows less about his own mother than he does cars specifically all models of imports and he told me right off that it was a rod not a lifter. I have never had a rod knocking on me so I never knew first hand what it sounded like. We did a couple other tests and we verified that I had spun a rod bearing and the sound was just going to keep getting worse and worse. (which it has) So I decided that the labor and parts was going to cost just as much as if I bought a new JDM engine. So I did. I found a jdm engine, tested, and ran with oil for about 1000$. Comes in today, they start working on it on monday and should have it back by next friday.
Kind of a s*** situation that I bought this car that seemed sooooo perfect when I inspected and drove it, and then it all of the sudden craps out on me like that. I'm ending up putting as much money into the new car I bought as much as my prelude is worth.

The real reason why I came to this site and posted a new topic is because I've been searching for hours on google and other forums but I can't find anything. Does anybody have a legit photo of a 90 and up 300zx with the rear window louvers they have on sfx performance? I really got a thing for louvers and to be honest I think they would make the Z stand out even more. (obviously)
But yea, whats up peoples, hope to learn a bunch of cool stuff on these forums! While your here, check out my new ride:

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Definitely clean car, sorry to hear about the engine going POP, be sure that the shop goes over that JDM engine with a finetooth comb, there have been lots of instances of bad JDM engines being sold. and finally WELCOME

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Welcome dude! Bummer on the motor, never fun. As a guy who just went through the same hours of research on replacing the engine, go for a rebuild. If don't want to have that same feeling you had on the way home of "is something else going to go?" Then I'd recommend the rebuild. If you are mechanically inclined, can read he fsm, and can troubleshoot enough to post issues here, then do the build!

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Mike951
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Ahhh, a rebuild! Rebuilds cost $$$$$$!! haha, I have the money but I'm not really trying to empty out my wallet on another car. I did that to my lude. Bought the car, swapped it with a jdm vtec motor, spent craploads of money on other stuff. And now i'm selling it for only 300$ more than what I initially bought it for. Still havent decided if I'm going to actually sell it or not. I love the girl. Ended up dropping about 5000$ (which isn't A LOT) on that car all together and I never even turbocharged it. :cry:

But yea, I know a rebuild would be the safest path I could go at this point but there are a few things stopping me. a: I don't have a garage or any place to take my time and do it. b. the car is already in the shop waiting for surgery, and c. im already making it rain over there on the engine and labor.

Besides I have a really good experience with the jdm engine I have in my prelude. Got the engine, opened it up, looked clean as hell. Never had any problems with the engine whatsoever since I swapped it a couple years ago. The oil still doesnt begin to loose its golden color until about 2500 miles after the oil change! So I "hope" this engine is going to be the same way. On monday, I'm going to scope out the engine myself and make sure its up to par.

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That sucks about the whole ordeal with your Z. You should of had the N/A motor replaced with a TT :yesnod I actually had a '92 prelude myself. Bought it for $300 with a rod knocking h23. Swapped in an H22 vtec motor. Repainted it all charcoal metallic grey. I loved that thing (especially the feel of vtec)

Welcome to NICO by the way!

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Congrats on the purchase!....kinda...when you get your Z up and running you will appreciate your ride that much more. Very clean btw, whats the mileage on it?

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You have a clean Z. Sorry to hear about your ordeal...I went through a similar situation myself. I ended up doing the TT swap and loving it so far. The TT swap cost me more than others because i invested in an engine hoist and other stuff to do the swap myself. Honestly it was much more fun doing the swap than driving the car.

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Mileage is coming on to 107k here pretty soon. I'll break that when I drive it up to new mexico!
YEah, I couldn't believe how nice the interior is! I think thats what completely sold me on the car. Not a scratch anywhere literally! I'll take more pics when I get the car back from the job. (I'm praying to god the JDM engine won't crap out on me!) I'm hoping I get lucky like Honad did with his JDM. I read the "Project Slicktop" thread and it definitely motivated me to buy toys! haha!
Hopefully they don't run into any problems over thar at the shop and I get my Z back in mechanically mint condition. Because everything including the transmission has been replaced on that car. I have like 20000$ + in reciepts from the guy I bought it from for alllll his repairs and services. Too bad half of them went into the engine. =/
Btw, I'll have a VG30DE engine with a thrown rod bearing if anybody is interested on doing a rebuild or someshing... Best offer gets it first lol!

And I hear you on the rush you get doing the swap. LoL good times for sure, Here are some pics of me doing my prelude jdm h22a swap.

For sale as well btw: 3500$ Location is in Ft.Hood TX Needs tires and alignment and just a little TLC.


The old POS H23!!! :gapteeth:
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My crappy workstation. Didn't have an engine stand. I worked on a pallet.
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Valve cover and cams off.
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New flywheel and clutc XTD (still works)
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Cleaned the IM
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Got to paint the vc
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Out with the old
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In with the new
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Hmm welcome to NICO! Sorry for your troubles but it does happen. When I was reading my heart sank when I read you heard the pop sound, followed by white smoke.

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Its all good, all I can do now is hope for the best! And do what NoLimit said and make sure homeboys go over that new motor 3 times before they drop it in.

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Wellllllll ShiZa! I just got to take a look at the "new" motor. Its not bad. It looks like its in average "jdm condition" Let me know what you think.

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Hard to tell from the outside, definitely looks better than most but it could have been steam cleaned. Do a leakdown on it, and measure the stroke through the sparkplug hole to make sure there are no differences between all 6 cylinders. < these two test are cheap, easy and require no breakdown of the engine. Also if you're thinking of doing headers or deleting any of the emissions crap DO IT NOW! it is metric crap-tons easier with the engine out.

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NolimitZ32 wrote:if you're thinking of doing headers or deleting any of the emissions crap DO IT NOW! it is metric crap-tons easier with the engine out.

bingo was his name-o

look up stuff in the forums on deleting EGR (exhaust gas return), AIV (air intake valves), CC (carbon canister.. yea it's not on the engine, but whatever), and if you're feeling like you need more, pull the plenum and do a waterline bypass surgery :)

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I totally WOULD do all of that, and I am going to do the aiv delete and pcv catch can, but unfortunately, time is my enemy right now, and space/place is unavailable. I need those two things to make sure I stay patient enough to do all of this myself or else I'm going to forget to screw a bolt in.

See I bought this car about 3 weeks prior to me departing out of the military to go back home which is about 700 something miles away. I live in a condemned building in a room no bigger than many of your spare bedrooms on here. Crickets crawl under my door and up my arse in the middle of the night. If I want to work on my car I can either take it to the handy-dandy borrow tools and do it yourself auto shop here on post, and try and rush and quickfix all the problems that I know i'm going to run in too lol. Or I can do everything in the autozone parking lmfao :fap:

But no really, I didn't think the car was going to crap out on me so I had to pay some homenuggets to do it for me. But on the bright side I'll have another engine to play with and build when I get back home!

besides egr delete = no passo el emissions amigo.. Gay. I think I'll just end up cutting the hose and throwing a tube filter in between them to try and save some of the carbon from getting in the engine.

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I figured I might as well not start a new thread, but just add to this one the progress of how the Z is coming along. So far it's still in the shop old engine out, new engine being worked on before it's being dropped in. Drew, the guy at the shop told me last last friday it was going to be done last friday but apparently he got stocked on jobs and I guess he's working on a bunch of stuff. But I still dropped by to check out all goods, and I was pleasantly suprised when I saw how much better the motor seemed. It hasnt been changed, but it just looks cleaner with the old heavy corroded headers off and the brand new stillen headers on. Which I payed 350$ for. I know I was overcharged but I know its a b**** job so I just decided to pay the 350 and have them slapped on while the motor was outside the car.
Again, as I've stated earlier in this topic, I really would be looking forward to getting some of my own hands-on time with my new baby, but I lack the time and place.
Check out these sweet pics:

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Well at least I know not everything in the car is in bad shape... Cyn r g segmented flywheel is light and cherry. Clutch still has a good amounth of "tread" left ;) So I save an extra 500 something not having to replace that.
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STILLLLEEEEN!!
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If you look at the last picture from the back of the engine on this thread, you'll be able to see a type of rusted bolt that was screwed into the crankshaft. It seems like they had to use some lubricants and a little shaving to get it out.
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Another picture of the brand new real leather interior
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I don't know what the heck this stuff is but its some type of elastic, maybe protective covering for the paint in the engine bay. Peels right off with fresh red paint underneath. Anyone else have this stuff?
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Headers FTW!!!

I think that may be dirty clear coat thats peeling off?

The interior looks great!!

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That's cosmoline. It's an industrial wax like coating that was sprayed onto the cars for overseas shipping by Nissan. When you purchased the car new at the dealer, part of the dealer prep was to steam clean it off. When i bought mine, all but the engine had been cleaned. Outside was detailed because it sat front row on the dealer lot, but not under the hood or the interior. It's purpose is to protect against rust from the salt air in ocean transit. Used extensively for machine tools, autos, weapons to protect bare metal which is unpainted. With mine, I had them leave it on under the hood. I live in Minnesota, where the roads are covered in salt for damn near half the year. It collects dirt to it; but other than that, quite effective. Now after nearly 20 years, I'm glad i told them to leave it alone. Back in the day, industrial machinery was cleaned using benzine. Can't do that anymore. It does come off with diesel fuel though. It also steam cleans fairly easy. Melts at like 125 degrees. I'm actually some what surprised to see someone else did the same thing, that is to ask to have it left on when buying it new.

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I like how a few of us had preludes in the past. Here was mine before I sold it:

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RubyRed300ZX wrote:That's cosmoline. It's an industrial wax like coating that was sprayed onto the cars for overseas shipping by Nissan. When you purchased the car new at the dealer, part of the dealer prep was to steam clean it off. When i bought mine, all but the engine had been cleaned. Outside was detailed because it sat front row on the dealer lot, but not under the hood or the interior. It's purpose is to protect against rust from the salt air in ocean transit. Used extensively for machine tools, autos, weapons to protect bare metal which is unpainted. With mine, I had them leave it on under the hood. I live in Minnesota, where the roads are covered in salt for damn near half the year. It collects dirt to it; but other than that, quite effective. Now after nearly 20 years, I'm glad i told them to leave it alone. Back in the day, industrial machinery was cleaned using benzine. Can't do that anymore. It does come off with diesel fuel though. It also steam cleans fairly easy. Melts at like 125 degrees. I'm actually some what surprised to see someone else did the same thing, that is to ask to have it left on when buying it new.

That's very interesting, and quite informative. Well I have no reason to take it off if it's purpose is to protect against rust and salt right? Lol when I get a little deeper into performance and I start spending money on more chrome than "pretty things" I may have to take a pressure washer to the area's that are easily seen when you open the hood. Like the top of the suspension and.... well there aren't many other places under the hood that you can see the body's paint haha, the engine is huge!


And bart, nice prelude man! I always kinda wanted the 5th gen, but I like the interior of the 4th's so much better. Like how the dashboard console stretches across whole windshield. Good stuff! How come you sold it? Just wanted the Z?

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Thanks man. It was a fun ride but I sold it to buy a house. Definitely miss driving a car while the Z is down but at least it gave me a place to wrench on the Z.

Yea, I like the 4th gens too. The 5th gen interiors are nice if it's all black though.

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I know its been a minute before I've posted on this thread, but Im deciding to make this thread my build thread like so many others before me have done. So far, The car has been out of the shop for about a week and a half now.. she's running great! I think I got lucky with another good JDM buy. I Told the guys at my local shop to go ahead and throw some royal purple in that b**** and I don't think I'm going to switch to any other oil. Some good things and some bad things happened upon my re-integration with my new baby...

The first thing I noticed was my eear main seal... I told the mother Fuxkers to change all the seals but they told me "if we see anything bad we'll replace it before we drop the engine." Well s*** head! The mother is leaking, guess you missed that one huh? sourdick! Don't get me wrong, these guys have a good rep and they replaced the rear main seal for free, but I think with the Z, they didn't really know wtf they were doing and had to probably look up a lot of crap. I'm only going to either nissan, or a Z shop from now on. End of story. Here are some pictures of the leakage. It was a class 3 leak! Drip. drip. drip drip. :ohno:


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After about two days later the rear main seal was fixed. I picked the car up and she ran decent enough. Now I've never drove a Z before the one so theoretically I don't know how the Z is supposed to exactly drive and handle. But more to that in a second.
So I'm putting around in my Z, happy as hell. Everything looks good. Good Oil Pressure, shifts are good, major clunking in the rear diff mounts (already bought a master bushing kit) from energy suspension for that), everything just seems peachy. Until I parked my car after a day of casual driving and absolutely no horsebeating when I noticed that I drove probably 50 something miles and burned through 6 gallons of gas... uhhh wtf, I have a v6 not a dodge viper. Most v8's don't even get that bad gas mileage... Whatever I wasnt worried about it ATM I was just happy my car was finally running and no knocking noises.
I park and get out of my car at the end of the day when I notice a gurgling sound coming from under the hood and white smoke... JESUS MOTHER OF CHRIST!!! The overflow tank is boiling!!! and to top it off, my power steering was leaking out of the cap on the resevoir!
I know the coolant needs to be pressurized to for its boiling point to raise so it wont boil inside the the engine, so that was something to be pondered on as to where a leak is or if the dudes at the shop even allowed the thermostat to open to add more 50/50.
But the power steering leaking out of the resevoir? from the top? I guess too much pressure? I don't think power steering caps are supposed to be pressurized because the one on my prelude is a straight plastic pos plug in. So maybe they put too much in? I've read on these forums and 300zxclub that regular power steering fluid is prone to leakage and everyone should just use ATF. So the resevoir was pretty low and I just topped it off with some ATF. Not sure if the dudes at the shop put ATF in the power steering resevoir but my first guess is NO. After I topped it off with the ATF it has never leaked in the past 5 days i've been driving the car. (Sorry forgot to take pics)
The coolant boiling issue was the next problem to tackle. Didn't really know what could be causing the pressure loss but since there was white smoke coming out of the back of the engine when I had lifted the hood, I assumed somewhere in the back. But nevertheless I went to oriely's or however you spell that place and bought some 50/50 and a new radiator cap. I filled up the over flow a little bit since it was a inch or so low and slapped on the new radiator cap. Yeah, as soon as I took the old one off, I knew what the problem was. That thing looked like a corroded piece of caveman dogshitt. (forgot to take pics =p) Slapped the new one on. BAM hasnt boiled on me once yet since then. Idk what that white smoke was when I lifted the hood that time but I havent seen it since so fuk that s***.

A couple days later I decided to learn how to run my ECU diagnostics for s*** and giggles because I'm going to end up doing it someday, plus I was getting TERRIBLE gas mileage. I was pretty sure I was going to get a 55 code, because my CEL wasnt on. NOPE! BANG! f*** you mike, your right o2 sensor is shot fukhead! I got a code 53, and when i did the mode II oxygen sensor test the CEL light just stayed on. And I read the manual and it said if the light stayed on during the test, replace that crap! So I did.

My 22 year old exhaust sounds like a raspy old mans s*** btw. For the time being... ;)
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I've done a little more to the whip but I'm going to take pictures before I post, cuz god knows the only thing that will keep a thread going in this world is pictures pictures pictures. So here you go, I took pictures of my undercarriage. Let me know if you see anything wrong.



Little oil pan leak.. expected. Time for a new oil pan and gasket and oil sucker.
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One soon to be epic battle...
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Glad you got it up and running! Just a couple quick notes after reading:
-do NOT take your Z to the Nissan dealership. Those guys rarely work on these cars these days and are no better off than any other unexperienced shop. Plus, dealerships are generally dishonest and have the highest labor rates (of course there are a few exceptions to the above). Where are you from? Take it to a reputable shop that specializes in Z's if you can.
-you're probably right about the power steering fluid not being ATF. I'd flush it out well if I were you
-the vg30 doesn't use a rubber/paper gasket for the oil pan - it's just RTV sealant. I don't see any RTV on the pan..did the shop even put any on? I'd definitely take it back and make them do that. You pretty much have to drop the front crossmember in order to get the needed clearance or pull the motor.

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I live in Albuquerque nm. There is actually a good z scene out here.. maybe I'll get a free TT :naughty:
But yea I agree with you, I'm only taking the beast to a z shop from now on. And there are a couple good ones out here I believe.
The oil pan, I can't believe it your right. The damn thing only has to rubber seals in the front and the back. And covered with rtv. Except mine obviously. Or its wearing real thin. When you say taking off the whole cross member do you mean the whole front steering rack and friends or do you mean a steel cross member support brace?


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