http://www.azcentral.com/news/....html

Make sure those saws are electric and powered by the wind.

Just one more reason the CARB witch-hunt is retarded, shoert-sighted, and a waste of Federal monies.

AZhitman wrote:http://www.azcentral.com/news/....html

Make sure those saws are electric and powered by the wind.

Just one more reason the CARB witch-hunt is retarded, shoert-sighted, and a waste of Federal monies.

If by witch-hunt you mean “foresight” and by short-sighted you mean “ecologically necessary” and by waste of Federal monies you mean “building a better planet” then I totally agree with you. We are fortunate to have such a earth friendly agency leading the way for the 49 other great states here in America.

Look at it this way. If you find a very cute, but obese 300 pound girl. Other than the 300 lbs, she is a winner. You put her on a diet by taking away the donuts, hostess cakes, etc. -the easy things first. Then one day she is down to 160lbs. Still there’s a way to go. You start taking away other things, like McDonalds, Wendy’s and Batman and Robin’s, etc. Pretty soon she is down to 140 and looking pretty good. She still needs to drop a few more pounds to fully capture her beauty. So you go after the little things, the things that seem petty or unnecessary, but ever so slightly add to her girth. Pretty soon, one pound at a time, Miss April emerges in all her glory.

This is what California has done. They have created a 130lb, 5’7” blue eyed, 37-33-35 blond bombshell of a mess of a 300 lb environment.

What many people don’t realize is that the air in their state is fast becoming the 300 pound lady.

rn79870 wrote:If by witch-hunt you mean “foresight” and by short-sighted you mean “ecologically necessary” and by waste of Federal monies you mean “building a better planet” then I totally agree with you. We are fortunate to have such a earth friendly agency leading the way for the 49 other great states here in America.

The gullibility fairy flew right up your kiester, Bobby.

rn79870 wrote:If you find a very cute, but obese 300 pound girl. Other than the 300 lbs, she is a winner. You put her on a diet by taking away the donuts, hostess cakes, etc. -the easy things first. Then one day she is down to 160lbs. Still there’s a way to go. You start taking away other things, like McDonalds, Wendy’s and Batman and Robin’s, etc. Pretty soon she is down to 140 and looking pretty good. She still needs to drop a few more pounds to fully capture her beauty. So you go after the little things, the things that seem petty or unnecessary, but ever so slightly add to her girth. Pretty soon, one pound at a time, Miss April emerges in all her glory.

This is what California has done. They have created a 130lb, 5’7” blue eyed, 37-33-35 blond bombshell of a mess of a 300 lb environment.

Here's the issue with that:

1) 300-lb women ain't "cute". Period.

2) 300-lb women who lose 170 lbs are even more terrifying.

3) 37-33-35 makes for a behemoth, not a bombshell. I'll pass on the 33-inch waist, thanks.

4) You ignored that CAFE is addressing the "petty and seemingly unnecessary" FIRST, the opposite of your Shrek-to-Sheila transformation. Stupid and short-sighted.

5) You never addressed the entire point of the post.

CAFE represents the excess wrinkly skin hanging off the emaciated frame of a starving former sumo wrestler.

Geeesh.... Greg, look at the logic... It's working, the environment is cleaner now than 10, 20, 30 years ago. If trees were such a big problem, then Brazil, and the rain forest ought to be covered with a 5000 foot layer of smog.

It appears that the Arizona rag, AXcentral.com, has taken the "why should I do my homework, no body else does theirs" approach to environmental issues. Trees and cow plop have been part of the environment since Moses first saw sand. Trees and cow plop will be part of the environment long after the last car has rusted to a spec of iron oxide in some desert somewhere.

CARB is effective. CARB has worked. I'd contribute to it if they took contributions.

rn79870 wrote:Geeesh.... Greg, look at the logic... It's working, the environment is cleaner now than 10, 20, 30 years ago. If trees were such a big problem, then Brazil, and the rain forest ought to be covered with a 5000 foot layer of smog.

Bobby, I love ya brother, but you're a bigger Dodger than Tommy Lasorda.

rn79870 wrote:It appears that the Arizona rag, AXcentral.com, has taken the "why should I do my homework, no body else does theirs" approach to environmental issues.

Don't shoot the messenger. We're actually aggressively addressing the grossest polluters out here in the desert, not picking on 1/10000th of the driving population. Especially since we don't have all those damn trees to fret about.

rn79870 wrote:CARB is effective. CARB has worked. I'd contribute to it if they took contributions.

Of course you would. And your appreciation would be misplaced. You should thank the EPA and CAFE instead.

Regulating cold-air intakes hasn't cleaned up your air. Cleaner-burning ICEs deserves the glory.

By the way, that article comes from a CA-based newspaper conglomerate.

If it's retarded and inaccurate, there's no wonder.

Why does everyone keep accusing CARB of killing the cold air intakes?

Many Cold Air intakes, Many Headers and Cat back exhausts are CARB approved. Click the link to see something like 7900 hits on "CARB Approved" cold air intakes.

http://www.google.com/search?h...earch

Any product that is CARB approved is probably a better made product.Plus, having the CARB approval will prevent problems like those experienced in the recent car club crackdown.

rn79870 wrote:Any product that is CARB approved is probably a better made product.

Not quantifiable. "Probably" is not a word we should be using when discussing legal matters.

More expensive does not always mean "better-made". As a SEMA member and attendee for the past 6 years, I can tell you that there's very little correlation between "quality" and CARB-certification.

rn79870 wrote:Plus, having the CARB approval will prevent problems like those experienced in the recent car club crackdown.

Hey, now THAT makes sense.

In fact, I think it's like that little deal where the government passes a law that they know only certain companies can abide by... then they send their henchmen out to raid and shut down the ones that don't...

But for a "fee", you can get "protection" - But you'd better pay on time, and don't whine about it, or you wind up swimmin' with da fishies.

It's called EXTORTION.

The fact that it's STATE-SANCTIONED extortion makes it even more unpalatable.

GET A CLUE, CALIFORNIANS!!! VOTE THE BUMS OUT!!!!

I think you guys just indirectly proved that time-travel is possible. It's now evident to me that someone from our government went back in time and told all those volcanoes to shut the hell up and go back to sleep so the plants could evolve. But then those cellulose bastards that we worked so hard to support TURNED ON US and eventually took over the evil hydrocarbon empire and went right back to what the volcanoes were doing in the first place.

The solution is clear. KILL ALL THE TREES.

I never trusted the shifty b*stards in the firstplace. Always thought there were a little too shady...

AZhitman wrote:
Not quantifiable. "Probably" is not a word we should be using when discussing legal matters.

Attorneys like to use probably, possibly, potentially, often, seldom and sometimes. They dislike Yes, No, Always, and Never. I just want to sound like an attorney.

Extortion you say? Hey, remember, driving is a privledge. Therefore operating a car on a public highway is a privledge. No one ever puts a gun at your head and says "drive to work today." Where is the extortion this type of regulation?

rn79870 wrote:
Attorneys like to use probably, possibly, potentially, often, seldom and sometimes. They dislike Yes, No, Always, and Never. I just want to sound like an attorney.

Of course they do, thus their reputation.

Judges prefer more concrete terms.

rn79870 wrote:Extortion you say? Hey, remember, driving is a privledge. Therefore operating a car on a public highway is a privledge. No one ever puts a gun at your head and says "drive to work today." Where is the extortion this type of regulation?

Yes, extortion. I never mentioned driving. My example is solid and applicable.

AZhitman wrote:More expensive does not always mean "better-made". As a SEMA member and attendee for the past 6 years, I can tell you that there's very little correlation between "quality" and CARB-certification.

Quality = Effective for a given task and durable for the long run. This is exactly what CARB is testing for isn't it? If you're referring to things like beads on the welds, or color of chrome, then that wouldn't be considered, and would make little or no difference in the performance of the part.

CARB neither has the capacity or the wherewithal to perform durability studies or longitudinal testing.

Sorry Bobby. That's NOT what CARB is doing, regardless of what you've been led to believe.

Also, both of the examples you gave ARE important, as they're indicative of the quality of construction, the metallurgy involved, and the coatings used.

I don't think CARB performs magnafluxing or employs metallurgists.

No love for my insanely clever analogy relating our government's "impact" on the environment to plant-generated hydrocarbons to a standard earth-cycle to the U.S. foreign policy of supporting warrior-kings who then become our enemies down the road?

What's a guy gotta to do get a Pulitzer in this town?

Brotha, you're up for President if we can get you on the ballot.

AZhitman wrote:Brotha, you're up for President if we can get you on the ballot.

Jeezus. I'd rather you just shoot me if you dislike me THAT much...

rn79870 wrote:Hey, remember, driving is a privledge.

You were close. Having a drivers license and driving on public roads is a privledge. On your own property you can do as you please.....Unless you are in Cali and your non-licensed car has DB's of over 70 at the neighbors fence......and they eventually disallow you to do what you want on your property because the vehicle is not regisetered and they are missing out on sucking a few hundred bux out of your wallet each year......

Encryptshun wrote:
Jeezus. I'd rather you just shoot me if you dislike me THAT much...

Wait....You were wanting me to run....