here it comes - my big wtf should i do post!

Post by **warwick5s** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 6:14 am

well...if i get the scirocco sold soon i should have about $1500 to play with. now, i'm not sure whether i'm going to get a motorcycle or not with that, but if i don't i'll want to put it into my car, because my engine and transmission are about to kick the bucket. (my kae's got timing chain rattle, low compression, burns a quart every 500 miles, rod noise, etc etc...it sucks!)

so, i believe i would do the CA because of it's lower price and availability of maintanance parts over here.

flashoptions.com has ca18det front clips for $1000 (although i'm not sure how good flashoptions is as a retailer). if i got that, what else would i need? just a downpipe, right? is that the only thing that gets cut? i'm going to try to get this in as stock as possible at first because the increase in horsepower - while that will be very nice - is not the only reason i'm doing this swap.

also, since these are older motors, is there any recommended freshenings i should do? should i just do new gaskets or should i also do rod bearings or oil pump or????

sorry for the newbish post, but i couldn't find definite answers to lots of this stuff with search - and i figure if i ask and we get a good thread going it may help more than just me

of course you could flame me and tell me to use the search too, but that'd be no fun.

Post by **RobDET** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 6:14 am

1,500 isn't really enough to do a successful motor swap... it will probliby cost about that mutch to get it to your house.

Just the basics llike clutch, fuel filter, oil change, transmission oil change exc will put you over budget...

Post by **USDM_OneVia** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 6:14 am

I've got 2800 in mine and that is without an intercooler... so add another 700 and its at 3500 bucks with an intercooler and a downpipe. All the little crap adds up fast like a clutch, gaskets, wires, connectors, oil, transmission fluid, coolant, tool rentals..... You will NOT do it for less than 2k and you will NOT do it in 3 days either

Joe

Post by **warwick5s** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 6:14 am

USDM_OneVia wrote:I've got 2800 in mine and that is without an intercooler... so add another 700 and its at 3500 bucks with an intercooler and a downpipe. All the little crap adds up fast like a clutch, gaskets, wires, connectors, oil, transmission fluid, coolant, tool rentals..... You will NOT do it for less than 2k and you will NOT do it in 3 days either

Joe

well, lets say i was going to use the stock smic for now, which i would get in the clip. if i got the clip to my door for the 1500, i'd need a clutch, a downpipe, and....?

i'm not worried about it not being quick, but i've done engine swaps before so i dont think it should be that bad. (only on vw's though)

Post by **Nismo1182** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 6:14 am

I did it with less than $2000 bucks, $1600 to be exact

And I did it in exactly 3 days too.

1500 for the motor, and 100 in parts. Stock side mount, stock clutch, stock everything else. Cut and rewelded SR downpipe.

I wanted to be sure the motor ran good before I started replacing parts.

Post by **Oneor1** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 6:14 am

im with NISMO.... i only used about 1600 at teh most.... thats w/ some goodies...... FMIC, Greddy DP, 3 puck clutch, Flywheel, BOV.....ahhh yes.... a wise consumer

Post by **r34 gtr** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 6:14 am

i had 4k and that included 1350 for the car, oil change, some little things, etc. clip was 1500 shipped.

Post by **Spectre_240sx** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 6:14 am

All depends on how you're going to do it. I've got 2500 or so put into my swap so far, but that's including having some welding done to the frame (strut towers), buying a bunch of new bolts because the old ones are rusty as hell, a new fuel pump and some fittings and stuff and refinishing a few things like the gas tank. (Ospho and Hammerite are your friend

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Post by **rtsol** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 6:14 am

hehe, did you say flashoptions? i dont even have to look at your post count to tell that your a noob. i ordered my ca from them 6 months ago and have yet to receive it. but if you really want to, go ahead and give FO your hard earned 1400, see what happens! dont say i didnt warn you.

Post by **USDM_OneVia** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 6:14 am

Here is my itemized list of what I have.....

Motor 1900Transmission Wiring Harness Ignitor CAS ECU MAFS Starter Alternator AC Pump

Clutch CA18DET kit Spec Stage 1 284.99 Clutch Cover Bolts Stock 0Fuel Pump Walbro 92 Downpipe HT Stainless 149Intercooler Stock SMIC 20Piping Hotpipe Stock 0 Charge Pipe Stock 20BOV N/A 150Project Silvia Torque Dampner N/A Air Filter Kit Air Filter Adaptor 0Tune Up Stuff Spark Plugs 4.27 Hoses 8.46 Upper Radiator hose 8.47 Lower Radiator hose 8.37 Alternator Belt 9.53 PS Belt 10.59 AC Belt 9.53

Valve Cover Gasket Thermostat 5.29 Thermostat gasket PCV Valve 3.17 oil 8.65 Oil Filter Bosch 5.82 transmission Fluid Boost Gauge VDO 150101D 45.96

Grand total: 2874.10

Still need....FMIC 750BOV 150Turbo Timer 100ECU Remap 150Exhaust 500

So another 1650 and it will be mostly done with a Grand total of...

4524.10 when all said and done....

DAMN this **** is expensive!!!

Joe

Post by **warwick5s** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 6:14 am

hehe, i was just using flash options as an example (i mentioned that i had no idea on their reputation, and of course i would check stuff like that out after i've made the commitment to doing the swap). the other clips i've seen have been 1000-1400.

Post by **andrave** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 6:14 am

good price for a clip is 1200-2000 bucks, depending on the shape. good price for a motorset is 1000-1500 (if its complete).if you see prices below that, be wary, they often don't include everything or are pieces of ****. on the other hand, there are occasionaly good prices to be had, so if everything checks out, cheap could be good.

Post by **slw240sx** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 6:14 am

car 500.00shipping of car 100.00JDM crap with car 100.00

motor 1000.00fuel pump 126.004puck clutch 0.00trust downpipe 0.00exhaust 0.00GT2530 or t28 ??? and greddy FMIC 1100.00turbo XS BOV 179.00CA hotpipe 60.00blitz SBC-ID and power meter id brand new *gulp* 200.00HKs turbo time 100.00 gone..paging alarm 500.00Z32 Maf 130.00440 injectors 0.00VDO EGT gauge 87.00 sender was free with turbo and FMICVDO boost gauge 25.00air filter 20.00eibach/tokico suspension 0.007spoke alloys 200.00

3729.00plus around 1500.00 in misc materials and tools and other crap i messed up or needed to get it running

all ill say is i got killer deals and hook ups when i started my project, i put a down payment on my motor then got fired from work the next week, thought i was screwd ! but made a few trips to the casino and coverd the motor the car, and the FMIC and turbo all in cash a few weeks later. i have been extremely lucky with my car and parts .

be a budget shopper check classified adds for stuff. ask around between us and im sure you can part togther a good set up cheaper then retail.all my free mods except the supsension came with the motor and parts car it was attached to.

Post by **slw240sx** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 6:14 am

joe, thurs ? we goin to do this **** finnally? ,

oh also i can get you a turbo timer for 20-30$, exhaust we can get some custom stuff made up cheaper then 500$ and be just as good, like 200$ or so.

Post by **andrave** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 6:14 am

just a reminder to the unlucky... casinos are generally NOT considered a good place to make money.:-)

Post by **USDM_OneVia** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 6:14 am

Jon....

Thursday sounds good to me. I have to take the wife to the airport at 7 am, so anytime after about 8 should be good.

Wanna shoot for the normal 12 o'clock then?

I think I am going to get the NPR intercooler and we can make up some pipes for it and make the kit for that.

Joe

Post by **warwick5s** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 6:14 am

one other thing i should ask you guys about are what are some things that i should absolutely make sure the motorset comes with. i think i'm going to go with soko because i'll be able to see the engines in person and pick them up == no shipping costs. $800 gets me motor, transmission, ECU, intake/exhaust manifold, "some of the sensors", and the turbo. i'm emailing them to see if things like alternator, p/s pump, water pump are also included, but if they're not? can i use my SOHC KA parts, or will i need to get pulsar parts?

if i'm thinking of this right - if that does come with all the accessories, i'd just need an intercooler, try to get a harness/sensor package from someone, downpipe, and a bracket for the ka ac compressor to bolt to, minimally, right? i'll also do a new clutch and motormounts.

Post by **Nismo1182** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 6:14 am

warwick5s wrote:i'm emailing them to see if things like alternator, p/s pump, water pump are also included, but if they're not? can i use my SOHC KA parts, or will i need to get pulsar parts?

Pulsar or 85 200SX Turbo. KA water pump wont work, the P/s pump will or use the CA pump and attach the KA lines. KA alternator wont work. I used a 88 Pulsar one.

[quote=" warwick5s and a bracket for the ka ac compressor to bolt to, minimally, right? i'll also do a new clutch and motormounts. [/quote]

You have a 90 right? My car is a 90 also and the KA AC compressor bolts right on. Theres no need to empty the system if its working. The only problem I encountered was that the compressor pulley sticks out about 3/4" - 1" further than the CA bracket. The KA ac bracket wont fit, it wont bolt up, even if it did the power steering pump is in the way.

I havent put a belt on the compressor yet. Im hoping it wont be a problem when I do put it. But im sure it will throw the belt right off because of the misaligment.

Post by **slw240sx** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 6:14 am

joe are you talkin cinncy airport? . im down to head up there at 730 or 8am get an early start . that is if my cars running right again by the morning that ealry i swear sat i get it running like a dream and on wends it takes a crap on me, like freakin clock work!

Post by **USDM_OneVia** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 6:14 am

slw240sx wrote:joe are you talkin cinncy airport? . im down to head up there at 730 or 8am get an early start . that is if my cars running right again by the morning that ealry i swear sat i get it running like a dream and on wends it takes a crap on me, like freakin clock work!

Yeah Cincy airport.... should be back home at about 8 or 830. Just gimme a call and let me know what time. I guess the only thing that we need to do is swap rims, check my CAS and fix your code 34.... shouldn't be more than an hour or two of work.

Joe

Post by **float_6969** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 6:14 am

Slw, you used up all of your luck at the casino's. I never make any damn money there, but I always seem to luck out when I'm working on my car.

Post by **slw240sx** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 6:14 am

yeah well casino visits arnt luck ! ive made close to 10grand on the black jack tables in the last 9months . it paid for my car new clothes that are all ****ty now cause im always workn on a car, it was a great supplemental income. .

Post by **cosmo** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 6:14 am

on the topic of gamb|ing-is a jack, queen, king, ace, and 2 a straight? I'm pretty sure it isn't but I want to be sure

Post by **USDM_OneVia** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 6:14 am

not a straight.... they can go from a duece low, to an ace high straight.

Joe

here it comes - my big wtf should i do post!

here it comes - my big wtf should i do post!

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