HELP!!

[Jon FLA]

I am in the middle of doing a 5 speed swap and Ive read on all the forums that you have to remove the pilot converter bearing from your automatic engine that sits inside the crank and replace it the your new 5 speed pilot bearing and then also install a pilot bushing inside the pilot bearing. The problem is I have went to all the local part stores in my area and everytime I have asked they only have the bushing and not the bearing. Can anyone please help and provide a part number or somewhere I can find this damn pilot bearing.

ps I have already tried to shave down the auto pilot converter bearing and install the pilot bushing.. and I ended up messing up my dremel tool..

[Harman850T5]

the bushing and bearing are really the same thing, just autozone likes to say bushing. If the auto one is still in there and sticking out of the crank a bit just use a pipe wrench and work it back and forth until it comes out.

[Jon FLA]

the bushing and the bearing are not the same thing. There is an auto pilot converter bearing that needs to come out and be replaced with a manual transmission pilot bearing.

[-RJ-]

www.rockauto.com has it for $1.34

[krash]

there isn't a pilot bearing and a pilot bushing. Its just the pilot bushing that came with your clutch kit. take out the automatic pilot bearing, and replace it with the manual one. The manual one is smaller in size and goes further into the crank.

[Jon FLA]

ok, so your telling me.. you take out the auto pilot converter bearing, then install the pilot bushing farther inside the crank?? and that is it?? no other bearing needed? so the pilot bushing will be inside the crank roughly an inch or so after taking out the auto pilot converter bearing.. it sits inside the crank and not any type of bearing..

[biggie]

ok, so your telling me.. you take out the auto pilot converter bearing, then install the pilot bushing farther inside the crank?? and that is it?? no other bearing needed? so the pilot bushing will be inside the crank roughly an inch or so after taking out the auto pilot converter bearing.. it sits inside the crank and not any type of bearing..

Yes, it is just a pilot bushing, there is no bearing. The only bearing to be concerned with is the Release Bearing on the 5spd transmission, that also should have come with your clutch kit.

[Eikon]

yep.. just a metal disk that keeps the output shaft from rattling about. It's a softer metal so that over time it wears out and can be replaced rather than machining the actual crank to that tight tolerance and having to replace that whole damn thing after it would wear out.

[Jon FLA]

wow.. im an idiot. thanks for all the help and fast replies.

[Eikon]

nah... an idiot would have asked about muffler bearings or blinker fluid.

Confusing the pilot bushing and pilot bearing is very common because they are basically interchangable terms.

[Jon FLA]

just to get this straight, the bushing/bearing that pertrudes about a 1/4 inch is the part that needs to come out so the pilot bushing can go behind it.. ive been trying to get that bushing/bearing that pertrudes about a 1/4 inch out, and damn.. that thing wont budge..

[biggie]

Yes it has to be removed. A lot of different options to do it. Pipe wrench, stick something inside of it to wiggle it out, cutting with chisel/dremmel, etc, etc.

[Jon FLA]

ok so just get it out any way possible lol.. thanks again everyone for the quick replies. btw way biggie nice steering wheel on your vert

[biggie]

Thanks, its cheap but gives me leg room.

Good luck on that AT bushing.

[Eikon]

Yep.. getting that existing bushing out is a pain in the neck. You can get a specific tool that is supposed to pull it out. But, what I've done in the past is to take a nice "sharp" flat-head screwdriver and cut through it in a few places and remove it in pieces. It's pretty soft material, so you can literally chisel through it like Biggie mentioned above.

[Jon FLA]

1 more question, do you have to have the manual transmission adapter plate/dust plate to connect the transmission? or can you use the one from the auto? because on the auto there is a top plate and a bottom black plate and i was wandering if i had to have the one from a manual transmission..

[Eikon]

yes, I think you need the manual trans plate. I can't remember the exact reason, but I know I screwed it up the first time I did it and had to pull the trans back on to put the correct plate on so that it would all work. I can't remember exactly what is different between the two.. it's been 5 years+ I think.. sorry.

[biggie]

Believe it can be bolted without the plate. But that plate blocks dirt/road debris from going into the transmission at the clutch, so you would want it.

[Jon FLA]

if the transmission can be bolted on with no dust plate then there shouldnt be a problem using the auto one.. there is a little tab on the lower portion of the auto one that i banged flat.. it seems as if it will work.. it blocks the hole on the bottom of the transmission which should be sufficient enough, but i cant get the transmission to slide all the way in it is less than a 1/4 inch away and i was wandering if the dust plate had anything to do with it.. if i bolt it down it should pull it together right?

[biggie]

Should work.

[Jon FLA]

now i have a question about the wiring. when you say splice the 2 wires together for the neutral safety switch, is that referring to the 2 wire plug coming from the lower harness? i really dont understand the wiring stuff.. i have read that write up over and over...

[biggie]

At the fuse box (front passenger corner) there is a plug on the bottom side. You can just run a wire looping the 2 together.

[Jon FLA]

what color is the neutral safety switch coming from the fuse box?

[biggie]

what color is the neutral safety switch coming from the fuse box?

From another thread it looks like:
"one is black with a yellow stripe i think the other is white"

I just disconnected that plug on the bottom of the fuse box and put connectors on both ends of a piece of wire and hooked them into the plug looping it (then just wrapped in electrical tape).

[Jon FLA]

an thats it for that? then for the top and reverse lights,, you splice in the little 2 wire connector with the yellow and brown and the yellow and blue? splice that into the brake reverse switch at the bellhousing of the transmission? so is the neutral safety switch right near the shifter on the transmission not needed? you only need to loop it on the chassis side?

[biggie]

an thats it for that? then for the top and reverse lights,, you splice in the little 2 wire connector with the yellow and brown and the yellow and blue? splice that into the brake reverse switch at the bellhousing of the transmission? so is the neutral safety switch right near the shifter on the transmission not needed? you only need to loop it on the chassis side?

Yes.

My way of looping the P/N switch will allow you to crank the car without pressing the clutch. If you want it to have to have the clutch depressed you'd have to run that plug with 2 wires to the switch on the clutch pedal.

[Jon FLA]

it seems easy when im in here on the comp then i go out there and its like o s*** look at all these wires!! if it possible man, if you can provide good detailed pics of how to do this that would be awesome, ill even pay you a few dollars to do it. for some reason the pics on the write are not working for me..


So basically what i get out of the write up is, you loop your P/N switch at the chassis side right under the fuse box, and everything else will be spliced off of your reverse switch .. ?

[biggie]

So basically what i get out of the write up is, you loop your P/N switch at the chassis side right under the fuse box, and everything else will be spliced off of your reverse switch .. ?

I actually had printed out the pics from the writeup, not sure if I threw them away. If I kept them I can copy and mail them to you.

I can get the pics of the P/N plug. I'll look around to see the reverse lights, I did it a little differently, found the plug on the transmission, and plug from the harness to it. Then used the write up and trial and error to wire it.

Probably be tomorrow sometime before I can get to taking the pics while I'm doing an oil change on my G.

[Jon FLA]

that would be awesome man i would appreciate it..

[biggie]

that would be awesome man i would appreciate it..

When I get home tonight I'll see if I have the pages printed. If so I'll PM you or post to get your address.