Help! Sr won't crank

[drftsx]

plz help ive installed my Sr but it wont crank. im new to this stuff so i dont know whats going on. Any ideas let me know thnx. Also is there anyone who lives near Stockton Ca, who can help??

[vutony]

be more specific, do u heard anythin or dead silent

check for spark, ignitor, starter, etc......

[drftsx]

my brother says it doesnt spark. What could possibly be the prob?? this thing is killin me!!!!!!!! lol. i think ive got all the wires done right. could it be that my fuel lines are switched? or is it just electrical>?

[jdm_master_X]

well if you could take pictures of your fuel i can tell you right away if its switched.i live in fairfield, so i can probably take a look sometime. its always good to double check. http://www.heavythrottle.com and look in the SR FAQ section. definitely a good place t refer to.

remove a spark plug and see if you smell fuel. yea? then u got fuel. spark can be related to wiring, so once again check. if its right on the dot, then something must not be plugged in. again, pics would be a plus.

[drftsx]

for the fuel lines, the feul line that goes from the filter is connected to the plug further from the tb right?

[jdm_master_X]

yeah those lines. from the filter it should go towards the regulator, and then back. the fuel HARDLINE is parellel to the fuel pump so you cant really screw it up.

check to see that your ECU is getting power and your main ignition wiring is correct where you splice two wires into one.

[Gramentz]

i think ive got all the wires done right.

I would start there and double check everything first. As listed on heavy throttle under troubleshooting, if the motor won't crank, you should : Check Main power wiring and start signal wire to ECU, clutch interlock switch, auto trans conversion must use jumper on harness plug. Make sure car alarm or turbo timer wiring is not causing the problem.

How can you tell that you're not getting any spark if the motor won't even turn over at all? (correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't understand)

[S13FASTBACKSR]

if the engine isnt cranking over at all then your not getting spark..like asked above me are you hearing a click when you try to start it? or a repetition of clicks? or do you get absolutely nothing? it would be really helpful if we knew this

[drftsx]

well i checked my wires. i had evolution motorsports do my harness. i can hear my fuel pump, and i think the injectors clicking. i havent checked my ignition coils yet. any signs of anything?

[S13FASTBACKSR]

well when i asked do you hear anything when trying to start it i basically meant is the engine cranking over at all? or is it just absolutely nothing? (besides the fuel pump and injectors) by the way if its not cranking over are you sure that clicking noise is not your starter

[drftsx]

well im not sure if its the starter or not, might be. its just a clicking noise. im sorry i cant provide u guys with the right info. im not really good with cars and all that, just in the process of learning. it seems like theres no spark but im not really sure. wat can i do to check the ignition coils, anything to look for??

*if anyone lives around stockton Ca plz help.

[jdm_master_X]

sounds to me like you arent get main ignition or ECU power. if it just clicks, obviously check the starter. but from experience, that click is the sound of missing main ignition or ECU power.

[drftsx]

are u talking about the ignitor chip? i am so lost right now lol. losin hope of this damn car runnin

[drftsx]

by the way wats the main ignition??

[Hijacker]

So let me get this straight. You're car isn't doing ANYTHING when you turn the key? The starter isn't trying to turn the motor over? If all you're hearing is a loud audible click when you turn the key to the start position, it's probably a bad starter. You'll usually hear the starter relay click once as it supplies power to the starter motor.

Now, if the starter is engaging, but the motor doesn't run, then you need to look at the three basic things needed for combustion. Air. Fuel. Spark.

Unless a kitten got stuck in your intake piping somewhere, I'll assume you have air going into the cylinder. You've stated you can hear your fuel pump turning on, but have you checked to see if fuel has made it into the cylinders? Pull a spark plug and sniff it for gasoline odor. If it has a smell to it, then you have fuel. Of course this is a simple test, and I would prefer it if a proper fuel pressure test was done, but you may not have access to a gauge you can throw inline.

Next is spark. This could be as simple as a dead ignitor chip, or as complicated as a cut wire somewhere. Double check to make sure all grounding wires have been grounded out. The coil packs are odd creatures. They don't like to work if you're missing even just one ground. One you have all the grounds connected, try to find a spare ignitor (from a friend possibly) Even an ignitor out of an old Pulsar will work. Try swapping ECUs out if you can find a spare or someone willing to help you trouble shoot.

Lastly, this is an odd question, but i've seen this happen a half dozen times. Did you pull the Crank Angle Sensor out at any point in time? If so, I've seen that be the cause of a motor that refuses to start. It even happened to me. The S14 service manual has you set the CAS at 180 degrees off (apparently the S13 requries TDC of the exhaust stroke, not the compression stroke like the S14 does). What this does is fire the spark plugs when the valves are open and there is no compression in the cylinder. The tell tale sign of this is a popping noise coming from your intake. Anyways, I know this is a lot, and sounds confusing, but it should help you get on the right track to getting your motor started.

[S13FASTBACKSR]

^ very nice

[drftsx]

thnx for the help. ill try it all out 2morrow and yes i did pull the cas out, i think cuz heavy throttle says to unplug the cas and turn the ignition a couple of times to allow oil pressure. im gonna replug my wires,and i think check the timing, basically try everything i can b4 i tow it to a shop. Thnx for the help i really appreciate it.

[jdm_master_X]

shops in stockton rape people up the *** with these kinda things, and half the time don't diagnose the problem right. tell you what. I MIGHT BE ABLE to go there sometime on the weekend if it permits. ill let you know.

[drftsx]

oh Ok kool. I had no other choice cuz there is no1 else near me that i know of that can help me. i would greatly appreciate it if u can. Im trying to save the trip of towing the car all the way to sacramento.

[drftsx]

well so far ive checked my altenator, smelled the spark plugs, and checked to see if all my wires were secure. i have no idea how to check my ignitor chip + i dont wanna buy all these parts and find out that thats =not the problem. i havent touched the timing yet. any other suggestions?

[jdm_master_X]

i cant go to your place this saturday because i have to pick up another SR for a friend. im booked the entire day.

anyway, testing is as simple as taking known working parts and swapping them. you dont need fancy tools to do this. spark plugs....what did you smell? if you can, take your battery, alternator, and starter to autozone in the meantime to get it checked. if fuel, alternator, starter, and battery all check out, i know for a fact it is your wiring.

switch MAFs from a SOHC KA, that works too. Z32 & Q45 ignitor. check your CAS as well. check your fuel rail too and make sure everything is seating correctly. dammit, i know its your wiring...its a gut feeling.

I WANT PICTURES BEFORE I GO THERE! PICTURES MAN!!!

[nissan_blood]

As my grandfather would say just go to the back left hand side and turn the crank a few times dumb ***..............

[drftsx]

ill try to provide u with pics asap. ill probably tow it to sac, to evolution motorsports, the shop that did my wiring. He has done many swaps. ill let him check it out. this stupid car has been down for 3months. I NEED TO DRIVE IT!!!!!!!!!!! LOL. i hate waiting for people to pick me up. ill let ya know whats going on asap

[jdm_master_X]

well its up to you if you want to spend money on what appears to be something simple. just check on it on the meantime before you ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO GO TO a SHOP. these are things you can do with simple hand tools, so quit stalling on me and just do it.

BATTERY, STARTER, ALTERNATOR = TEST AT AUTOZONESPARK PLUGS = SMELL IT WIRING = DOUBLE CHECK COLOR FOR COLOR (ECU AND FUSE BOX SIDE) or just at least send the WIRING HARNESS BACK TO EVOLUTION MOTORSPORTS.

i dont want to sound like an ***, but the point of having any sort of engine swap is useless if you cant do basic maintenance on it. you are one of many people who are just buying motors without having any sort of knowledge on automotive principle. no desire to research, no desire to work on it. its just to have it. if you dont put in 100% of your time and depend on other people to do it, you will either end up with empty pockets or a broken motor...

so please, do what i told you before you tow it. i don't want to see another simple fix come at such a cost.

[drftsx]

i just said on top that ive checked the spark plugs yes it smells, starter works fine ive unplugged the wires and pluged them back to make sure there tight. i know im kinda ignorant on this topic but i feel stuck. i dont have much knowledge on SRs i have done research b4 i even bought the motor. The things is that i have no knowledge or background with cars. i ahve no idea on what to do when it comes to electrical. Im sorry for all this junk

[jdm_master_X]

theres no need to feel bad bro. whats the voltage on the battery?

make sure that the wiring is correct. it doesnt matter if evolution motorsports did it. check it anyway.

http://www.frsport.com/sr20det....html

theres even pictures!

[drftsx]

my battery is 525 cca just bought it brand new trying to make it fit. One of my cousin i guess knows how to trouble shoot the ecu or sumthin so ill have him check it out 2morrow. from there on well see what happens.

[drftsx]

today i tried push starting my car it works but only for a couple of seconds. does this bring you guys closer to whats wrong with my car>?

[S13FASTBACKSR]

whats the voltage on your battery? and it doesnt matter if your wires to your starter are tight...the starter could still be bad...also are your dash lights lighting up fully when the key is on or are they dim? and one more time what exactly is your car doing when you try to start it ( explain to me what it sounds like...the engine isnt turning over at all?)

[drftsx]

im not really sure what the volts are at the moment cuz i didnt check, but i spoke with the guy from sears and he gave me the battery voltage that is needed to run the ka in the smallest size possible. i believe that that should do the work. my dad has tested the starter and it works. he ran the jumper from positive to the batery and touched the 2 negatives 2gether i think, but yeah it spins and sparks. well when i try to start the engine, you can hear the buz sound form the fuel pump.

i called the guy i bought the engine from and he says that there shouldbe no vaccum leaks or anything since its a turbo car (made me kinda wonder cuz i hear you can do it). i asked him if it could be the timing and he said no he told me that the timing is good, and that it has been cheanged for performance or whatever. i also have an aftermarket transmission w/ fixed gears installed, but never mind that.

when i push start it it turns for like 5 secs then it dies. symptoms of anything in particular?

Question, there is a ground that is near the ps pump and the turbo, it has a plug and i was wondering if that should be grounded to the chasis or the engine cuz i basicaly just grounded it on the ps pump.