help me out
help me out
hmm where do i start. i drive an 88 sentra thinkin bout sellin n buyin a 91-93 240sx in north cali4nia. ive saved up enuff money for a swap was thinkin bout gettin an sr20 til i found out it wasnt legal so umm cud sumone tell me why the sr20det isnt legal? and does anyone know another motor i could swap that would be legal? if not possible then could sumone tell me where to find out information on turbochargers or superchargers for the stock motor?
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Holisticbeatz
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i will invest in the suspension and everything else along with the motor but first i need options on swaps that would be legal in california. i was thinkin about investing in my current car with a swap from a 94 sentra se-r but front wheel drives really annoy me for some reason ( the reason why i hate cars with vtecs-hondas). ive recently started getting interested in the import scene living around rear wheel mustangs and camaros most of my life but with imports it gets more challenging outputting the same performance with a 4 cylinder rather than an 8 cylinder with a bolt on supercharger. hmm im totally off topic. well umm newayz looking thru this website i havnt found any answers on swaps yet such as the sr20 or ca18 that would be legal in california so i guess im just going to go with the stock ka24 motor and put in a new head and pistons to handle a turbo better and i guess well see from there on.
*sigh*. . . ok. . .
if you're looking to do an engine swap in California, good luck and I hope you know someone that can "help" you with smog checks. Most of the common 240sx engine swaps (including the SR, CA, or RB engines) would basically be illegal in CA since they're not certified to meet the INSANELY rigid smog standards in CA. Even if they pass the "sniffer" test then (unless the tester you have is friendly or stupid) it won't pass the visual inspection. Everything I've heard or read about smog legality states (in my own words): "The engine must be from the same year or newer than the engine being replaced with all the necessary smog equipment remaining in working order as installed by the factory" Unfortunately, CA requires more than the average amount of smog equipment and Japanese engines lack equipment that is mandated in CA.
As for costs for engines (in case you still want to go through with everything), seems like you could find an S13 SR for roughly around $1800 and i've seen the S15 SR go for as much as $5800 (both prices are for engines only/uninstalled).
Most turbo kits for the KA will be somewhere around $4000 from what I've seen but it could be a lot cheaper if you build your own set-up.
If any of my information is wrong then someone please correct me. . .
Good luck with the project K1lla. . .
if you're looking to do an engine swap in California, good luck and I hope you know someone that can "help" you with smog checks. Most of the common 240sx engine swaps (including the SR, CA, or RB engines) would basically be illegal in CA since they're not certified to meet the INSANELY rigid smog standards in CA. Even if they pass the "sniffer" test then (unless the tester you have is friendly or stupid) it won't pass the visual inspection. Everything I've heard or read about smog legality states (in my own words): "The engine must be from the same year or newer than the engine being replaced with all the necessary smog equipment remaining in working order as installed by the factory" Unfortunately, CA requires more than the average amount of smog equipment and Japanese engines lack equipment that is mandated in CA.
As for costs for engines (in case you still want to go through with everything), seems like you could find an S13 SR for roughly around $1800 and i've seen the S15 SR go for as much as $5800 (both prices are for engines only/uninstalled).
Most turbo kits for the KA will be somewhere around $4000 from what I've seen but it could be a lot cheaper if you build your own set-up.
If any of my information is wrong then someone please correct me. . .
Good luck with the project K1lla. . .
yo f8sjester thx 4 da reply.........das more info ive gotten from u in da past 5 mins den i hav lookin around 4 da past few weeks. recently went 2 dis performance store said they could get me an sr20 4 $1800 as well and my uncle used 2 own a bodyshop so he could install it 4 free but the legal system wont b 2 friendly with me so..........i 4got wha i was bout 2 say umm o yea lookin around dis site ive read bout ppl installin skyline motors in deir 240sx so i was jus wonderin has anyone thought or tried swappin the motor off a 300zx?
i kno i mite sound dumb 2 sumone but give me a break ive been around mustangs n camaros where there arent any problems with motors. if theres any other american cars with v8s made by the same company then its compadible with the car and youre hittin 11 second quarter miles with the new engine, flowmasters, a chip, and supercharger - a 6 K investment done quick n easy........o yea n did i mention that u dont hav 2 invest in other things cuz mustangs come wit a racing suspension n transmission from da factory?
i kno i mite sound dumb 2 sumone but give me a break ive been around mustangs n camaros where there arent any problems with motors. if theres any other american cars with v8s made by the same company then its compadible with the car and youre hittin 11 second quarter miles with the new engine, flowmasters, a chip, and supercharger - a 6 K investment done quick n easy........o yea n did i mention that u dont hav 2 invest in other things cuz mustangs come wit a racing suspension n transmission from da factory?
no problem. . . but a lot of this stuff has been covered in other threads. . .
300z swaphttp://www.nissaninfiniticlub....98036
smog legalityhttp://www.nissaninfiniticlub....98039
as far as working on domestic vs. imports. . . sure, the domestic performance market has been around for like 40 years or so. import performance is relatively new and people are still trying new things. everyone has to start their education somewhere. . .
oh BTW. . . unfortunately, unless it's gone through CARB certification, a turbo is about as illegal as a JDM engine swap in CA. . . to my knowledge, no one has put out a CARB certified turbo kit for the 240sx yet. Greddy seems to be one of the few companies out there that gets their kits certified but the 240 has been on their "turbo kit coming soon" list for at least the last 3 years. . .
300z swaphttp://www.nissaninfiniticlub....98036
smog legalityhttp://www.nissaninfiniticlub....98039
as far as working on domestic vs. imports. . . sure, the domestic performance market has been around for like 40 years or so. import performance is relatively new and people are still trying new things. everyone has to start their education somewhere. . .
oh BTW. . . unfortunately, unless it's gone through CARB certification, a turbo is about as illegal as a JDM engine swap in CA. . . to my knowledge, no one has put out a CARB certified turbo kit for the 240sx yet. Greddy seems to be one of the few companies out there that gets their kits certified but the 240 has been on their "turbo kit coming soon" list for at least the last 3 years. . .
hmm i didnt know turbos were illegal as well. but wha bout the subaru wrx or volkswagon gtis wit turbos? i guess it might be legal if it comes frm da factory.
smog legalityhttp://www.nissaninfiniticlub....98039
thx 4 da link. o yea ive reasearched around da site again and it seems dat i cud pass da smog wit an sr20 if i hav a workin egr which i guess ill hav 2 take out of da ka24 and modify it 2 fit in da sr20. but den da turbo is still a factor. i hav been thinkin of keepin 2 cars n 2 engines. possibly a 92 240sx se and a 95 ( my dream ride- 95 240sx wit silvia s15 front light conversion and supra taillight and modling conversion) so everytime smog comes around ill switch da engines back n forth. keeping the sr20 4 da 95 240sx after n before da smog. but its gon b a lotta trouble doin it every twice in a month every 2 years. i dont kno much about turbo kits but are turbo kits easy 2 uninstall n reinstall ? (just in case i go wit da modified ka24)
smog legalityhttp://www.nissaninfiniticlub....98039
thx 4 da link. o yea ive reasearched around da site again and it seems dat i cud pass da smog wit an sr20 if i hav a workin egr which i guess ill hav 2 take out of da ka24 and modify it 2 fit in da sr20. but den da turbo is still a factor. i hav been thinkin of keepin 2 cars n 2 engines. possibly a 92 240sx se and a 95 ( my dream ride- 95 240sx wit silvia s15 front light conversion and supra taillight and modling conversion) so everytime smog comes around ill switch da engines back n forth. keeping the sr20 4 da 95 240sx after n before da smog. but its gon b a lotta trouble doin it every twice in a month every 2 years. i dont kno much about turbo kits but are turbo kits easy 2 uninstall n reinstall ? (just in case i go wit da modified ka24)
turbos that are put on from the factory have gone through all the smog certification through the factory so they're legal. If you're trying to install a turbo onto an engine that didn't come with one originally then you have to prove to CARB that your car will still pass smog with it on. That involves a lot of time, money, and paperwork (which is why most companies don't go through the headaches of certification for their turbo kits and label them "for off road use only")
IF you have the time and will to replace that engine every 2 years then yah, i guess that IS an option but i can't say that i'd recommend it. Swapping engines isn't exactly just: loosen a couple of bolts, lift, drop, tighten bolts. The wiring system must be sorted through so that everything works correctly (engine systems and chassis systems).
as far as uninstalling/reinstalling a turbo, once again, that's gonna be some work. for a turbo to function properly, the engine must be tuned correctly for it. Timing, fuel maps, etc. must all be callibrated for either the turbo or running NA.
unless you've been doing this your entire life or know EXACTLY what you're doing, swapping an engine or installing a turbo would require a couple of days down time at least, and that would mean EVERYTIME you have to switch back and forth. . .
IF you have the time and will to replace that engine every 2 years then yah, i guess that IS an option but i can't say that i'd recommend it. Swapping engines isn't exactly just: loosen a couple of bolts, lift, drop, tighten bolts. The wiring system must be sorted through so that everything works correctly (engine systems and chassis systems).
as far as uninstalling/reinstalling a turbo, once again, that's gonna be some work. for a turbo to function properly, the engine must be tuned correctly for it. Timing, fuel maps, etc. must all be callibrated for either the turbo or running NA.
unless you've been doing this your entire life or know EXACTLY what you're doing, swapping an engine or installing a turbo would require a couple of days down time at least, and that would mean EVERYTIME you have to switch back and forth. . .
umm i checked out da 300z conversion link but it didnt really giv me any helpful info but i was readin bout da rb26 swap n umm if im not wrong isnt dat da motor off a skyline? it doesnt make sense 2 me cuz da rb should b comin off a 6 cylinder into a 4 cylinder so umm cud sumone tell me does anything else have 2 b done in order 2 swap a rb26 or a 300z motor into a 240sx? and if it is possible den how much power does an rb26 motor ouput? for example if an 8 cylinder engine is swapped in a 6 cylinder mustang the wheelbase etc has to be modified to specifications costing about $10 k or having to take out the airconditioning unit etc.
yes, the rb26, rb25, rb20 have all been dropped into 240's. . . and there have been EXTENSIVE threads about this stuff. . .
from what i understand they DO fit within the chassis but I'm not about to get into the specifics about the RB swaps since that's been a point of contention around here for a couple of months now between 3 or 4 people from different shops and i'm not getting caught up in that mess. . .
search through the posts from NightXCZ77. . . he's one of the most knowledgeable guys around here as far as the RB swaps. . .
from what i understand they DO fit within the chassis but I'm not about to get into the specifics about the RB swaps since that's been a point of contention around here for a couple of months now between 3 or 4 people from different shops and i'm not getting caught up in that mess. . .
search through the posts from NightXCZ77. . . he's one of the most knowledgeable guys around here as far as the RB swaps. . .
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midwestdrifter
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hmm i usually wouldnt tell u all this but since nun of u know me i guess i can. well the real reason i need a 240sx is cuz ive lost too many races with my sentra. ive lost to a 90 corolla with exhaust and intake , ive lost to a 89 honda crx with only intake , ive lost to a 95 corolla which is sad but i belive that his car wasnt stock. my mom has a 03 corolla and it still isnt as fast as what that guy was driving , hmm les see oh yea ive lost to a 93 civic hatch with only boost gauge as far as i know , ive lost to a 01 v6 accord deadstock it was my fault for revving high tryna show off , ive lost to my homeyz 97 ford minivan , ive lost to a 98 camry , ive lost to a 02 toyota tacoma , ive lost to a 97 integra.
things ive won against are 88 integra , 87 accord , 92 toyota pickup , and a few other cars that didnt know i was racing them.
i was thinking about a 92 coupe or a 95 coupe but all of a sudden i want a 92 hatch. i dont know what it is but since my first car is a hatch ive got used to it. maybe ill have both , i like the idea of a 92 hatch but a 95 coupe with preferred light conversions is so tempting. and the rearwheel drive ..................... nothing compares to it. hmm any other reasons? oh yea the fact that i could drop a skyline motor in em.......................muhahahahahahahahahaha( evil laugh) and the fact that theyre nissans.
things ive won against are 88 integra , 87 accord , 92 toyota pickup , and a few other cars that didnt know i was racing them.
i was thinking about a 92 coupe or a 95 coupe but all of a sudden i want a 92 hatch. i dont know what it is but since my first car is a hatch ive got used to it. maybe ill have both , i like the idea of a 92 hatch but a 95 coupe with preferred light conversions is so tempting. and the rearwheel drive ..................... nothing compares to it. hmm any other reasons? oh yea the fact that i could drop a skyline motor in em.......................muhahahahahahahahahaha( evil laugh) and the fact that theyre nissans.
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midwestdrifter
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Please type normally, not like some AOL chic, it just makes you look stupid.
"things ive won against are 88 integra , 87 accord , 92 toyota pickup , and a few other cars that didnt know i was racing them."
You should find all the information if you just use the search, there's a high possibility it's been asked before and if you don't find it, or still have questions, THEN post a thread.
"things ive won against are 88 integra , 87 accord , 92 toyota pickup , and a few other cars that didnt know i was racing them."
You should find all the information if you just use the search, there's a high possibility it's been asked before and if you don't find it, or still have questions, THEN post a thread.
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Oatmealman
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