Has anyone tired any kind of alternitive fuel in the Q?

[gammer_ghn]

91 OC is 4.10 in my area can we comeback to this subject and get some input since were all feeling it now? i looked back and from Nov till now gas prices in my area raised from 3.75 to 4.10. so 3.75x18=67 and 4.10x18=73.8 73.8-67= 6.8 and getting 300miles out of the full tank to empty line thats getting 16 miles to the gallon not too bad for mix driving but when you do the math every mile your fuel cost alone is $0.21 and if you are like me and you drive 160+ miles a day that comes to a whopping $34 just in gas that in one month is 784 just for 22 business days. Sounds pretty crazy doesn't it? Well thats what i say. IF efficiency could be achieved all the extra money that 1/3 of it ends up in the catalytic converter and goes to waist could be invested is like having a small sized annuity making money for you. Hope we can get back on this subject with peace and help instead of Bs bashing. thanks.

[qship96]

If you are spending $784 in gas per month just for business commuting, it is time to sell and buy a brand new car that gets double the mileage of the Q, as 1/2 savings per month on gas is $400 and that could cover the new car payment instead wasting it at the gas pump

[gammer_ghn]

see my fellow NICOer i have my Q for the same reason why you have yours' I love my Q and well it has saved my *** already when i crashed into a mountain because of someone who came to opposite traffic in rain so i think my baby is going to be with me for a long long time! What were able to figure out here is not only for a Q its for all cars. I own 3 cars but i drive one and thats the Q so i hope you get the point.

[craigztoyz]

Where on earth do you get fuel with a 116 octane rating? With the other method your car can totally run without the injection system.

Check out this picture that someone took while using the Hydrogen injection system:

Quoting the sig. I got a rental yesterday, on the freeway, reset the comp. got it to say 127mpg. then came to a stoplight. went back to the 30's.

[gammer_ghn]

^ i get that number too for about 5-6 miles of my daily trip. It is sad how that person just put the car in Neutral and took the pic that is just sadddd!

[mattd1979]

"One of the tricks of fantastic MPG is coasting (driving in neutral) downhill. With the right ingredients under the hood and the other methods described here, it can have you running at 300 MPG or therabout. Average that with yet impressive flat and uphill numbers, and you get a great average.

If you think there are camera tricks here, you should test it with your own vehicle and find out."

The above is an excerpt that was taken from the book that the above picture came from. The website is http://www.water4gas.com. The particular book the excerpt came from is called "Gas Saving Techniques".

[miltonflavio]

All gasoline sold in Brazil contains at least 25% alcohol, and for those complaining about fuel costs, our Premium Gas cost about US$11,50 / gallon...

[miltonflavio]

Sorry, 8[QUOTE=miltonflavio]All gasoline sold in Brazil contains at least 25% alcohol, and for those complaining about fuel costs, our Premium Gas cost about US$11,50 / gallon...

Sorry, US$ 8,50 / gallon

[Q45denver]

I heard most cars run on ethanol over there. You must have a lot of corrosion in your fuel tanks?

You supposedly can get diesel for a little over $2/gal in Mexico but you can't bring it back with you except for what's in your tank.

Sorry, 8

All gasoline sold in Brazil contains at least 25% alcohol, and for those complaining about fuel costs, our Premium Gas cost about US$11,50 / gallon...

Sorry, US$ 8,50 / gallon

[Q45denver]

Double the mileage? You are looking at either a Volkswagon diesel or a Prius.

If you are spending $784 in gas per month just for business commuting, it is time to sell and buy a brand new car that gets double the mileage of the Q, as 1/2 savings per month on gas is $400 and that could cover the new car payment instead wasting it at the gas pump

[miltonflavio]

I heard most cars run on ethanol over there. You must have a lot of corrosion in your fuel tanks?

You supposedly can get diesel for a little over $2/gal in Mexico but you can't bring it back with you except for what's in your tank.

Yes, since 1980 about 60% of all cars in Brazil runs on E100 (100% alcohol), and since 2002 all cars made in Brazil are "Total Flex", which means that they can run on 100% alcohol, 100% gasoline, or anything between.

Engines running on Alcohol (E100), when properly tunned, last longer and produces 10% more power and torque.

[miltonflavio]

I heard most cars run on ethanol over there. You must have a lot of corrosion in your fuel tanks?

You supposedly can get diesel for a little over $2/gal in Mexico but you can't bring it back with you except for what's in your tank.

Total Flex cars come with plastic fuel tank, but even in those with steel tanks, corrosion is not a serious problem. My 1967 Impala, for example, runs on E25 and never had any problem.

[Q45denver]

Total Flex cars come with plastic fuel tank, but even in those with steel tanks, corrosion is not a serious problem. My 1967 Impala, for example, runs on E25 and never had any problem.

Interesting. What do they charge per gallon for the E100? The Q45's tank is galvanized steel so probably relatively corrosion free. I wonder what would be involved in converting it over to run on E85? That is the highest I've seen at the gas stations here.

[miltonflavio]

Interesting. What do they charge per gallon for the E100? The Q45's tank is galvanized steel so probably relatively corrosion free. I wonder what would be involved in converting it over to run on E85? That is the highest I've seen at the gas stations here.

E100 (100% Ethanol) costs about US$ 4.00 / gallon. My Q was tunned with an Unichip (www.dastek.co.za) for E25 , and was dyno tested at 321 hp.

[Q45denver]

E85 is quite a bit cheaper than premium here too but you get less miles per gallon. We have a lot of problems with the fuel injectors here just running on E10. We have memebers who can tune the ECU's so maybe they could do the modifications? Ethanol does have more octane so you could run a higher compression which would increase the mileage a bit. I'm not sure there is a E100 as there is a certain percentage of water?

[miltonflavio]

E85 is quite a bit cheaper than premium here too but you get less miles per gallon. We have a lot of problems with the fuel injectors here just running on E10. We have memebers who can tune the ECU's so maybe they could do the modifications? Ethanol does have more octane so you could run a higher compression which would increase the mileage a bit. I'm not sure there is a E100 as there is a certain percentage of water?

My Q 17 years old injectors still working fine with E25 since new (ok, only 37.000 mls). Yes, Total Flex cars uses 12:1 ou 12.5:1 compression, and only Alcohol could works well with 13.5:1. You´re correct it´s E95 or E98, with 5% or 2% water.

[Q45denver]

Amazing longevity, must have something to do with the climate. Well at least you have options. You must have high fuel taxes there. I think I heard that the dollar has gone down several time vs. the Brazilian currency within a recent time period so the high fuel prices should not be affecting Brazlians as much I would think

[Q45denver]

I heard that natural gas is only 1/3 as expensive per BTU as gasoline, If true why isn't NG used more as an automotive fuel? Anyone?

[miltonflavio]

Amazing longevity, must have something to do with the climate. Well at least you have options. You must have high fuel taxes there. I think I heard that the dollar has gone down several time vs. the Brazilian currency within a recent time period so the high fuel prices should not be affecting Brazlians as much I would think

In 2002 US$ 1.00 = R$ 4,00. Today US$ 1.00 = R$ 1.60 And still going down everyday. We´re now self-sufficient in Petroleum, and soon will start to export. Our gas still expensive, but is slowly becoming cheaper.

[miltonflavio]

I heard that natural gas is only 1/3 as expensive per BTU as gasoline, If true why isn't NG used more as an automotive fuel? Anyone?

Again, in Brazil, 20 to 25% of cars runs on natural gas (called GNV - Natural vehicular gas) . There are some Chevrolets and Fiats "Tetra-Fuel" and "Multi-Flex", which means that they runs on alcohol, gasoline, any mixture of two, and natural gas (GNV), amazing! But these cars lost 15 to 20% power and torque when running on GNV

[Q45denver]

What time is it now in Brazil? I was thinking about the same as New York City?

There are very few natural gas cars here but you can convert NG to methane fairly easily and that is what they usually use in race cars I think. The only natural gas car available for sale to the consumer I've seen here is a version of the Honda Civic. I has a hookup so you can refill it off your home gas pipe.

You must get a lot of questions about your car if you have one of the four in Brazil? How did it end up getting there?

[craigztoyz]

The zipcode for the tooth fairy?

At todays gas prices, how do we feel now about alternative fuels?

[craigztoyz]

Total Flex cars come with plastic fuel tank, but even in those with steel tanks, corrosion is not a serious problem. My 1967 Impala, for example, runs on E25 and never had any problem.

That Impala? 2dr hardtop? My favorite, and first car. I still own 1, with 50K on it, and have built 4. Awesome body style.

[srpim]

Natural gas is methane. It has fewer BTU per gallon than gasoline and has to be highly compressed to make it a liquid. Even with that, it takes a large tank to get a decent driving range.

I have ridden in taxis in Japan with natural gas (or maybe propane (LP)) stored in a tank just behind the back seat that takes up half the trunk and probably extends below the floor a little too.

Many US cities have a requirement that fleet vehicles run a portion of their vehicles on alternative fuels. Some New York city busses and delivery vehicles run on LNG (liquified natural gas), some on methanol, and others. I have worked on cleaning up diesel contamination at bus garages and installing alternative fuel systems.

The LNG fuel station requires a special high volume underground gas main supply and a huge engine powered compressor to liquify the gas, and the busses have giant tank arrays in the roof that run the whole length of the bus.

The methanol fuel is in stainless steel underground tanks and the whole fuel system in the bus is stainless.

All in all a huge investment.

[carguide]

At todays gas prices, how do we feel now about alternative fuels?

its not that simple. somebody call BMW, GM, Ford, Toyota, and Nissan and tell them to stop working on their hydrogen fuel

cell vehicles. this idiot has figured it out already !!!