harness bar in s13 with electric seat belts

[ralphsdiorama]

Hey guys I have a 91 240sx se with the electronic seatbelts and I want to put in a harness bar. I was wondering If the holes to bolt in the bar were still there just under the plastics since the shoulder belt is on the door with the electric belts. kind of confusing but I hope somebody understands haha. Thanks

[ralphsdiorama]

Anyone?

[AmoebAssassin]

I'm assuming you're planning on a running a harness since you want to install a harness bar, so:

Don't run a harness unless you have a cage. If your car rolls, you'll suffer severe spinal compression, and most likely, death.

(there is no structural benefit to running a harness bar, if you're not planning on running a harness)

[ralphsdiorama]

I am getting a harness bar so I can use harnesses. Im sorry but Im confused are you saying that the harness bar will still cause spinal damage because I thought they were supposed to prevent spinal damage by having the harnesses run at a 90 degree angle from your back? Thanks for the advice so far.

[driftneil]

I am getting a harness bar so I can use harnesses. Im sorry but Im confused are you saying that the harness bar will still cause spinal damage because I thought they were supposed to prevent spinal damage by having the harnesses run at a 90 degree angle from your back? Thanks for the advice so far.

No hes saying if you flip, the car will crush and you cant move. Sooo crushed backipoo.

[ralphsdiorama]

If this car is mostly a street car do you think the harness bar and harnesses will make it safer over the stock seatbelts?

[91Sarasota240SX]

good luck reaching for stuff and looking over your shoulder and not being able to move out of the way of a roof coming at you upside down.

Spine crushing FTW

[nismotuner1]

I just welded a full cage in my friends rb25 powered s13 a fullcage is the best way to go if yu want to run a harness. and now his car is rigid as f***!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[n240sxfnatic]

I just welded a full cage in my friends rb25 powered s13 a fullcage is the best way to go if yu want to run a harness. and now his car is rigid as f***!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Way to bump an old a** thread ****.

good luck reaching for stuff and looking over your shoulder and not being able to move out of the way of a roof coming at you upside down.

Spine crushing FTW

Think about it, even if your in stock belts and the roof caves in for some reason you are gonna get smashed, having harness' doesnt matter in that aspect.

[fourLUG_hero]

Why do I have the feeling the OP just wants to have a harness bar but not any real harnesses...

[driftneil]

Think about it, even if your in stock belts and the roof caves in for some reason you are gonna get smashed, having harness' doesnt matter in that aspect.

Not true. The oem belts are designed to let you move to the side, in an accident or roll over. Have you ever even put on a 4 or 5 point harness?? You cant even move. Again....what they are designed to do.

[n240sxfnatic]

Not true. The oem belts are designed to let you move to the side, in an accident or roll over. Have you ever even put on a 4 or 5 point harness?? You cant even move. Again....what they are designed to do.

Yeah but in crash the seatbelts lock you into position, regardless in a bad rollover without a cage your pretty fugged.

[S133P3R]

cant you just bolt the harness to the are behind the seats in hatches? not sure about coupes thoe...

[BrianHarte]

too much "well, this COULD happen...." kind of stuff going on.

Harnesses are lame.

harness bars are lame.

they don't even look cool, and i LOVE bolt in s***.

[s13_chris]

BrianH I love you. No ****.

Regardless of your seatbelt. If you "ROLL OVER" you are most likely to get hurt regardless of your seatbelt/harness. For some reason everyone thinks if you roll over your roof is going to just completely collapse and crumble. Yes, it happens but not EVERYTIME.

Here is the bottom line. If you want to do it, do it. You accept the pros and cons when you buy/install something. Research first.

[S133P3R]

i <3 my broken sliding belts and $15 pepboys lap belt!

[BrianHarte]

How many people actually roll their 240s?

[S133P3R]

true...i see a trend of 240s getting:A. nailed head on by careless other drivers, usually drunk.B. "crazy skills drifted" into a curb

this is one of the only "S-chasis" cars ive ever seen rolled... (im sure its not the only one)crash is the black car half way thru... looks brutal, it would crush you w/o a full cage, maybe.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVK9h15opF8

[s13_chris]

Driver error ^That fuggin sucks.

[S133P3R]

error: Id10Tuser error

[whyteboi]

i wanna jump in here with a quick question on that......

-is a cage the ONLY safe way to have a harness?? -is there other safe ways?? -if so wat r they???

[johnny5]

i have mine bolted to the female bolt for the rear seats, one comes right up and the others criss cross the way they should, and the lap portions are bolted to the back seat bolts, but then again i dont drift mine are just for when im at the drag track, i run points and the new track rules this year require atleast a 4 point. damn track rules makin me spend money just to spend money to race lmao

[driftneil]

i have mine bolted to the female bolt for the rear seats, one comes right up and the others criss cross the way they should, and the lap portions are bolted to the back seat bolts, but then again i dont drift mine are just for when im at the drag track, i run points and the new track rules this year require atleast a 4 point. damn track rules makin me spend money just to spend money to race lmao

I don't think that's safe brah. You also have to have the harness's at the proper angle. Or it will hurt yo a**

[ralphsdiorama]

haha wow thanks for unburying this. I orginally posted this because I wanted to make my 91 240sx safer due to their being no air bags and s***ty electric seat belts. I am 6' 2" so there is no way I am using harnesses without a rollbar or cage (too worried about possible spinal compression from poor angles and the threat of having my neck snapped from not being able to move out of the way from a collapsing roof) Then I realized that my car would probably never roll and ended up never getting a rollbar or putting in my harnesses. I have no clue why I ever even considered a harness bar. Fortunately with age I have grown out of the stage where cheaper means better. Its been so long since that post that the s13 is now for sale Dam 240s and the emotional attachment that comes along with them!

[S133P3R]

nice to see an update on that situation. your description fits my situation to a T! im not up to getting a roll bar yet but thanks for the 411!

[SirSilvia]

other than that video, I have never seen a 240 roll, too low and wide enough stance. lol and we make em lower and wider. I rode in a '64 stang that had 4 points and that was sweet, didn't move an inch. I want a cage but I don't want a bare interior. Most likely going to go for a bolt in, and one that goes around the dash and not through it.lol, although, there's nothing I want more than to destroy my ugly brown dash.

[S133P3R]

check BrianHarte rollcage in his S13, looks good with stock trim IMO.