Hard to find tire size? - 2009 LE
Hard to find tire size? - 2009 LE
What is up with this tire size? Neither tirerack.com, nor discounttire.com show they have the 235/55 r20 size that come with the LE. Any suggestions? Might buy from my dealer, but I'd at least like to have an option. I love the Toyo's that came on it.
Re: (Timmbo)
Yes, and all they can get from Toyo is 265/50.
Re: (Timmbo)
A good friend of mine owns a custom car shop, and he recommends I go with the 265/50 Toyo. I will probably do that.
Re: (laurin1)
Yes,Your best bet is going a size up or down. You are only talking either 1/4 inch overall diameter increase or decrease. Many brands/options available. Barely noticeable on the speedo. And as long as all 4 are the same diameter it wont mess with ABS/VSA.
My plan is 1/4 inch larger diameter with a tad bit more width for rim protection.
Stop by a Discount Tire shop and have them assist you.
Cheers
My plan is 1/4 inch larger diameter with a tad bit more width for rim protection.
Stop by a Discount Tire shop and have them assist you.
Cheers
Re: (laurin1)
Couple of things. First of all, the reason Toyo probably can't get that tire is because Nissan has first dibs on them. The factory original Goodyear tires for most of the 04-08 Maxima's (245/45/18) works this way as well. As a matter of fact, the Goodyear store down the street from my dealership has bought them from us not only because we had it, but also because it cost him less to buy it from us (even with our markup) than he can get them direct from Goodyear. We have seen the same thing in the past with the older Murano tires, and also the Continentals that the 07 Altima came with.
Secondly, you could put your warranty in jeopardy by getting the size tire you mentioned. There is a slight difference in the size, and as you approach the 36k cutoff (or 60 on the powertrain, 80 on the catalyst) the dealer could very well run the size of your tire versus what came on it from the factory and add that mileage to your vehicle pushing you above the limit. I know it sounds like a stretch, but we have actually had a representative from an extended warranty company do this exact thing and has denied claims due to improper tire size. The reason for this is the amount of people who put oversized wheels and tires on their vehicle which creates a situation where the vehicle has actually travelled farther than the odometer indicates.
In your particular instance, the tire size you mention is 0.8% too slow according to the old trusty Miata.net tire calculator. So whatever mileage your vehicle shows, they will add 0.8% to that to come up with the actual miles travelled. At 36k you will have actually travelled 36,288. It's a minute difference, but it is still a difference. The real issues come up with people who run 22's and 24's or bigger, with drastic size differences, sometimes as much as 8 and 10%. Then you're talking about thousands of miles difference, not hundreds. Some of these guys are really starting to push this, so it's something to think about. Not to mention you are also talking about a tire that is 30mm wider that could cause a fitment issue and could change the way the electronic systems are able to control the vehicle in the case of an emergency.
Secondly, you could put your warranty in jeopardy by getting the size tire you mentioned. There is a slight difference in the size, and as you approach the 36k cutoff (or 60 on the powertrain, 80 on the catalyst) the dealer could very well run the size of your tire versus what came on it from the factory and add that mileage to your vehicle pushing you above the limit. I know it sounds like a stretch, but we have actually had a representative from an extended warranty company do this exact thing and has denied claims due to improper tire size. The reason for this is the amount of people who put oversized wheels and tires on their vehicle which creates a situation where the vehicle has actually travelled farther than the odometer indicates.
In your particular instance, the tire size you mention is 0.8% too slow according to the old trusty Miata.net tire calculator. So whatever mileage your vehicle shows, they will add 0.8% to that to come up with the actual miles travelled. At 36k you will have actually travelled 36,288. It's a minute difference, but it is still a difference. The real issues come up with people who run 22's and 24's or bigger, with drastic size differences, sometimes as much as 8 and 10%. Then you're talking about thousands of miles difference, not hundreds. Some of these guys are really starting to push this, so it's something to think about. Not to mention you are also talking about a tire that is 30mm wider that could cause a fitment issue and could change the way the electronic systems are able to control the vehicle in the case of an emergency.
Re: (CPS)
The warranty issue isn't a concern for me. I trust my vendor as well, and I like the feel on the road of wider tires, but thanks for the input. Still, I will check dealer cost.
Re: (laurin1)
Uh. Not sure about that CPS. The bigger the diameter, the slower the tire, the lower you speed and mileage will be.
I think I would be more worried about the AWD and VDC compensating for a larger diameter tire (over 6% in this case). Your Murano would also shift weird because the engine speed dictates when the vehicle would make upshifts and downshifts.
Wether CPS's assumptions are correct or mine are, it is not worth it. Any good local tire shop can usually get them.
Stock Tire - 235/45R20 >Search Tires Tire 1 - 265/50R20 >Search TiresSection Width: 9.25 in 235 mmSection Width: 10.43 in 265 mmRim Diameter: 20 in 508 mmRim Diameter: 20 in 508 mmRim Width Range: Unrecognized tire size.Rim Width Range: 7.5 - 9.5 inOverall Diameter: 28.32 in 719.32 mmOverall Diameter: 30.43 in 772.92 mmSidewall Height: 4.16 in 105.66 mmSidewall Height: 5.21 in 132.33 mmRadius: 14.16 in 359.66 mmRadius: 15.21 in 386.33 mmCircumference: 88.96 in 2259.5 mmCircumference: 95.59 in 2427.9 mmRevs per Mile: 734.4Revs per Mile: 683.5Actual Speed: 60 mph 100 km/hSpeedometer1: 55.8 mph 93.0 km/hSpeedometer Difference: - Speedometer Difference: 7.446% too slowDiameter Difference: - Diameter Difference: 6.94%
I think I would be more worried about the AWD and VDC compensating for a larger diameter tire (over 6% in this case). Your Murano would also shift weird because the engine speed dictates when the vehicle would make upshifts and downshifts.
Wether CPS's assumptions are correct or mine are, it is not worth it. Any good local tire shop can usually get them.
Stock Tire - 235/45R20 >Search Tires Tire 1 - 265/50R20 >Search TiresSection Width: 9.25 in 235 mmSection Width: 10.43 in 265 mmRim Diameter: 20 in 508 mmRim Diameter: 20 in 508 mmRim Width Range: Unrecognized tire size.Rim Width Range: 7.5 - 9.5 inOverall Diameter: 28.32 in 719.32 mmOverall Diameter: 30.43 in 772.92 mmSidewall Height: 4.16 in 105.66 mmSidewall Height: 5.21 in 132.33 mmRadius: 14.16 in 359.66 mmRadius: 15.21 in 386.33 mmCircumference: 88.96 in 2259.5 mmCircumference: 95.59 in 2427.9 mmRevs per Mile: 734.4Revs per Mile: 683.5Actual Speed: 60 mph 100 km/hSpeedometer1: 55.8 mph 93.0 km/hSpeedometer Difference: - Speedometer Difference: 7.446% too slowDiameter Difference: - Diameter Difference: 6.94%
Re: (MrSlug)
Just a clarification about the statement "The bigger the diameter, the slower the tire, the lower you speed and mileage will be."
Actually a larger diameter tire will be faster per revolution than a smaller diameter tire. Per your data the bigger tire will have a speedometer reading 55.8 mph when you are really going 60 mph.
Actually a larger diameter tire will be faster per revolution than a smaller diameter tire. Per your data the bigger tire will have a speedometer reading 55.8 mph when you are really going 60 mph.
Re: (idok26155)
Exactly what idok26155 said. Your speedometer reads one number, but the vehicle is actually travelling faster. Therefore you are travelling farther than the odometer is telling you that you are, hence more mileage on the vehicle than indicated.
Re: (CPS)
For starters lets have the computations with the correct tire size....
Correct me if im wrong yet the LE OEM's are 235/55-20 / not 245/55-20. The difference is substantial - as in 2 inches...
As I mentioned above, their are tires available within 1/4 of an inch in size of stock. The 265/50 is one of them. Using the 265/50 will result in a 1mph error in your speedo (will depict 59 when your actually going 60). Size difference is 0.2 inches resulting in a 80 mile error per 10000 miles traveled. Thus if Nissan squawked it would result in you ending your warranty app 100 miles prior to 36K (depending on the mileage when installed). In all reality it would be even less given the constant wear of the over-sized tire and resultant constant decrease in overall diameter.
Will have no effect on ABS or the stability assist. Think about it, as your tires go bald does your ABS and stability assists start complaining? No.. And most tires will loose near 1/2 inch of overall diameter as they go bald etc..
Cheers
Correct me if im wrong yet the LE OEM's are 235/55-20 / not 245/55-20. The difference is substantial - as in 2 inches...
As I mentioned above, their are tires available within 1/4 of an inch in size of stock. The 265/50 is one of them. Using the 265/50 will result in a 1mph error in your speedo (will depict 59 when your actually going 60). Size difference is 0.2 inches resulting in a 80 mile error per 10000 miles traveled. Thus if Nissan squawked it would result in you ending your warranty app 100 miles prior to 36K (depending on the mileage when installed). In all reality it would be even less given the constant wear of the over-sized tire and resultant constant decrease in overall diameter.
Will have no effect on ABS or the stability assist. Think about it, as your tires go bald does your ABS and stability assists start complaining? No.. And most tires will loose near 1/2 inch of overall diameter as they go bald etc..
Cheers
Re: (KJSmitty)
I stated in the calcs:
Stock Tire - 235/45R20 >Search Tires Tire 1 - 265/50R20 >Search Tires
Not 245.
Anyway who cares. We are both right. Larger/Small tires on an AWD is not recommended. I know for a fact Audi will void warranties based on that.
Stock Tire - 235/45R20 >Search Tires Tire 1 - 265/50R20 >Search Tires
Not 245.
Anyway who cares. We are both right. Larger/Small tires on an AWD is not recommended. I know for a fact Audi will void warranties based on that.
Re: (MrSlug)
It's not a right or wrong post. - You are correct, I typed/repeated your stat wrong. Stock tire is 235/55 not 235/"45" as you stated.MrSlug wrote:I stated in the calcs:
Stock Tire - 235/45R20 >Search Tires Tire 1 - 265/50R20 >Search Tires
Not 245.
Anyway who cares. We are both right. Larger/Small tires on an AWD is not recommended. I know for a fact Audi will void warranties based on that.
Audi or any manufacturer would void warranty if all 4 tires were not the same size on an AWD - as in mix-matched or larger rears than fronts etc. Yet all 4 being the same yet a 0.2 difference or even 5 inches different would not hurt an AWD. The further away from OEM however can effect performance and mechanicals but that is not what this thread is about. Ironically, my neighbor works for Audi Corporate as a Regional Test Rep - I wish I could drive a few of the cars he brings home. :-) I'll make it a topic of discussion the next time I see him.
Cheers
Re: (KJSmitty)
I spoke to my dealer, and the service guy tried to tell me that no Murano comes with 20" inch wheels stock..geez. That plus the fact that once he found out they did, the cost was 299 a tire, I decided to go with the 265/50 Toyo (876.00 out the door.)
So, if I have any problems, I will let you guys know.
So, if I have any problems, I will let you guys know.
Re: (laurin1)
the stock toyos are nice tires. what about kumho tires? as good as toyo?