Happy with prices at the pump? Vote for McCain

[smockers83]

I fully realize my posts may be upsetting to some that hang out here that tend to lean towards the right but the truth can certainly hurt.

I don't know your age but I've been thru more economic cycles during my lifetime than many other younger members here. As such, it hurts me to see some Americans get scammed by some elected scroundrals holding public office that feel its ok to lower the living standards of most working Americans while giving tax cuts to wealthy friends and large contributors.The rise in fuel prices hurts those percentage wise more at the lower end of the economic scale than it does on the wealthy.This gas price problem could have been avoided had this problem been properly addressed in 1979. Destroying our environment by drilling off our coastline is not a solution. Nor is Chrysler yapping about lets refuel Americaby subsidizing their gas gusslers at $2.99 a gallon.This market is doing what our government should have done 20 years ago. Except the price rise should have been implemented gradually over a period of years to reduce consumption.Many of the European countries are way ahead of the United States on this issue.In the meantime, I'll just keep along trying to wake up those like yourself that believe some of the crap the present administration has been handing out these past eight years.

That long paragraph is probably the most truthful thing you've said so far in any of these posts. However, the rest of your posts that you refer to in your 1st statement that I quote is far from truthful.

Not only should our problem been solved in 1979 but also all the years after that as well. But everyone on both sides has been inactive on the issue until now, when its too late. Just because it has gotten out of control as some say under Bush doesn't make it entirely his fault.

Also, demand for oil in the US has fallen as of late, how far back I'm not sure, but a decent amount of time.

[AZhitman]

I fully realize my posts may be upsetting to some that hang out here that tend to lean towards the right but the truth can certainly hurt.

You have GOT to be kidding me.

Not ONE well-thought out rebuttal. Not one thread that's not copy/paste. No response once you've been assailed with information clearly contrary to your position....

...and you're telling me "the truth hurts?"

I'm still waiting for you to respond to the 30+ other posts in which your "truth" was debunked.

Reminds me of Chris Chelios, a hockey player I can't stand... He skates into a scrum, throws a cheap shot, then skates off for his teammates to handle the ensuing fight. It's pathetic, really.

[AZhitman]

All others should vote for Obama

“It was a bipartisan failure to act.”

Both from your first post.

Explain to me WHAT your guy is gonna do. Why should I, as an undecided voter, support him (relevant to oil prices). I'll be listening....

[Cold_Zero]

Reminds me of Chris Chelios, a hockey player I can't stand... He skates into a scrum, throws a cheap shot, then skates off for his teammates to handle the ensuing fight. It's pathetic, really.

You really want to go there?When you got guys like Stu Grimson, Enrico Ciccone Ryan VadndenBussche and Bob Probert its ok to start a fight and let the big boys sort it out for you.

I rank him right up there with my favorites Lyle Odelein, Dave Babych and (my fav) Gino Odjick. Obviously Stu Grimson is the man.

[HashiriyaS14]

With a balanced approach of conservation and increased demand we can at least stall the inevitable fact that we will have to move off of gasoline based transportation.

I think you mean "increased supply"?

If so, then yes, I agree, it will take a balanced approach involving both, which is why, as I mentioned, I support offshore and ANWR drilling.

It does not change the fact that the most logical way to pay for the necessary renewable energy resources of 2040 is to tax gasoline and natural gas today. Most other 1st world nations run nearly a 100% tax on gasoline. They use this tax to pay for crazy social security and welfare programs, but I think we should use it to pay for wind, solar, nuclear, and other energy options.

This WILL mean that it will cost a lot of money to drive places, which will make people think twice about burning gas. It will mean people drive tiny cars, use public transport more, and concentrate more heavily in urban areas to minimize long driving commutes. It WILL change the American way of life, but not catastrophically.

I DO agree that certain "enviro-wackos" on the left are trying to use the energy scare to push their own agenda. I DO believe in global warming and I DO believe in the human impact, but I do NOT think that any of this should be used to scare, intimidate, or shxt on people just because they disagree.

[Cold_Zero]

I think you mean "increased supply"?

Yes sorry, I was trying to get a bind issue at work completed so I could get out the door and get home.

Quote »It does not change the fact that the most logical way to pay for the necessary renewable energy resources of 2040 is to tax gasoline and natural gas today. Most other 1st world nations run nearly a 100% tax on gasoline. They use this tax to pay for crazy social security and welfare programs, but I think we should use it to pay for wind, solar, nuclear, and other energy options.

This WILL mean that it will cost a lot of money to drive places, which will make people think twice about burning gas. It will mean people drive tiny cars, use public transport more, and concentrate more heavily in urban areas to minimize long driving commutes. It WILL change the American way of life, but not catastrophically.[/quote]Spoken like a true liberal. Lets tax our way out of a problem.. I mean into submission. Why not just ban the use of fossil fuels?

Lets say we tax fuel 100% What happens to food prices and general items that have to be shipped? Why wouldn't this cause sky rocketing inflation?

Also/And the one thing that people dont talk about. The Military. I seem to remember driving through Norfolk with a hell of a lot of Ticonderoga Cruisers, Arleigh Burke Destroyers, Oliver Hazard Perry Frigates, Replenishment Ships (AO, AS) and LHDs/LHAs/LPDs/LCCs. And through Little Creek with their LSDs/LSTs/AMTRACKS. Not to mention Oceana NAS. What is going to be the affect of our energy policy when the Navy can pull a fleet out of Norfolk or Yokosuka because it cost too much to deploy the fleet. Or worse there isnt enough diesel to fuel our ships and aircraft. Thank God we still kept the USS Constitution.bud

[APEXi240]

Everyone seems so quick to assign blame, but what is the effect of doing so? You have a scapegoat (whether justified or not)?

The world markets will adjust to the "problem" of higher prices for gas, as well as other commodities.

I think high gas prices are great because of the fact that in reality, nothing else will truly spur research and development of other alternatives to energy crises. Alternative energy, along with most other things in our country will only be developed heavily when there is opportunity for profitability.

Some view this gas price hike as a disaster, others view it as slightly discomforting, but also as a great opportunity. Perception.

[audtatious]

Some of the commentary going on the last few days revolves around China. The thought is that China has been stockpiling oil to ensure they have enough for the Olympics and to temporarily get factories to convert to oil to help clean the air somewhat. Once the Olympics are over they would convert back to the cheaper alternatives and stop hoarding, thus there will be less demand for oil as a whole.

[Repo Man]

This WILL mean that it will cost a lot of money to drive places, which will make people think twice about burning gas. It will mean people drive tiny cars, use public transport more, and concentrate more heavily in urban areas to minimize long driving commutes. It WILL change the American way of life, but not catastrophically.

That's all a nice, rosy picture you painted there Hash, but understand that not all places are like DC with regard to infrastructure. Hell, if I tried to ride my bike to work, I would be killed. Road pizza. Done. There is no public transport system here either. No subway, no bus, nothing. If I didn't have a car, I wouldn't be able to go much of anywhere.

To tax your average working man to the brink of bankruptcy is not the answer. Some of us HAVE to get in the car to go to work and earn a living and shouldn't be punished by the government for it. As far as vehicle selection goes, get the one that best suits your needs. If you're just hauling yourself and your briefcase around, the Suzuki scooter is a wonderful choice, except in an Indiana winter. If you haul tools and trailer, you obviously need a truck.

On top of everything else, no politician interested in being re-elected is going to vote for anything close to a 100% tax on fuel. It's a bad idea all the way around.

[WDRacing]

We have had an energy policy for 30 some years now (1978-2008) and this is where it has gotten us. I seem to remember that the Democrats until recently have controlled both houses of the Congress for more time in the past 30 years. I dont think conservation and the pipe dreams of renewable resources is going to cut it right now. Wind, Solar, hydro-electrical energy isnt going to put gas in my Altima or Pathfinder.

And Hydrogen cars? Apparently the Honda model costs $300,000 per unit. Let me rush right out and buy one! So when it brakes down I can drive to MIT or RPI to have it fixed.

I think there is PLENTY of blame to go around. Congress, Republicans, Democrats and the past 5 Presidents, but most of all the American people! But we can sit around and come up with plenty of ENERGY TALKING POINTS that is NOT going to fix the problem. Nor does trying to assign blame or pointing the finger. What IS going to fix the problem is the American people doing something about the issue. We are a productive and ingenuous society. A put freaking people on the Moon and figured out how to blow up the world 200 times over. Why can't we fix this problem?

I stopped reading after this post. Perfectly said and right on point with reality my friend. No amount of he said she said is going to give my SUV any assistance.

WD

[Repo Man]

You have GOT to be kidding me.

Not ONE well-thought out rebuttal. Not one thread that's not copy/paste. No response once you've been assailed with information clearly contrary to your position....

...and you're telling me "the truth hurts?"

I'm still waiting for you to respond to the 30+ other posts in which your "truth" was debunked.

I think this is another thread where telco gets pwnt and has no response.

[smockers83]

Saw this guy on TV this evening, his ad looks like an ad for someone running for office. Some interesting info and perspectives, I think everyone should check out the website.

http://www.pickensplan.com/

[Cold_Zero]

I saw "T Bone" Pickens last night on NBC Nightly news and today on Bill Bennett's radio show. I know his name isnt T Bone, but that is what I thought it said last night and it sounds better.

Rep Michele Backmann is currently talking on the House Floor pointing out that the Democrat's Energy Plan is "Drive Small Cars and Wait for the Wind." Pretty much.