Guys, horrible news.

[Thee 240sx Owner]

I think the issue that "Thee 240sx Owner" has is that Fiznat recieved offers because hes a Moderator..which is what I think is implied by "favorites."

But I don't believe it has anything to do with that. Fiznat has been pretty active in the KA-T forum and posted his progress as he kept on with his build with detailed photos and information. I think the members learned a lot of information from his posts, and from what I've seen is willing to help anyone that has questions. People became immersed in his buildup and became familiar with him through his posts.

I think a good example for this would be..lets say two people that you knew needed a motor...and you had a spare one that you could give. One of them you vaguely knew, maybe only seen once. The other, you know quite well and what his buildup is and how much work it took to get there. Who would you be more inclined to give the motor to?

Fiznat didn't ask for anything, the offers came from the individuals.

That by far tonight is one of the best post I've read... and I would have to say is more agreeable than most of what you guys posted....

this is a place where everyone is created equal, untill people like you come along and quickly toss themselves to the bottom of the foodchain, your freakin avatar says got banned and i usually only see you causing trouble just like right now. Its pointless and has no place in this thread. Ive never said a freaking word directly to fitz before but i can already tell you he is 10 times the human being u will ever be.~Sam

Of course he's the better human being... its his thread.. why would you disagree? Ooo thats right... you must know him through his posts?.. Would you say that about a girl you met over the internet, Probably now that I think about it... (Btw the way.. the avatar is an inside joke from a year ago with Greg and a few of us... learn it before you hate it...)

just because your not on the recieving end of the goodies, dont get jealous. ive known fiz a long time hes helped me on several projects. Hes also helped me fix tons of my own mistakes. hes the reason im even on these boards, posting instead of the DSM boards. nobody likes a hater

Go back to school and request a refund for english since you can't obviously read.... I never said it was because I wasn't receiving parts.... I could care less about parts.. I just know alot of damn good people on the boards that should deserve the same respect that don't get it... simple because of their title...

Look dude, I'm sorry you feel slighted about the fact that your other friends werent offered parts/help/etc like I was. Honestly I was taken aback by it myself, as was pretty much anyone else who saw how people are so willing to help me out.

I'm not going to comment on if I'm more deserving of the help, or a "better NICO member" as you put it. All I can really do is say thanks to those willing to help, and try to pass it on and do the same for others when the time comes.

WD will call me a puss if I leave it at that, so I wont.

Quit complaining about this in my thread. I appreciate everyone's help, unexpected as it was, but you are just whining about it and I cant see anyone on this board really caring that much about what you have to say.. Screaming "thats not fair" is a far cry from actually taking time out of your day to help other people out-- maybe if you did a little bit of that first, you'd be in a better position to actually have people listen to you.

LoL.... for the first part of you're statement, They're not just other friends, its people on the forum that have been here longer than I have...as for the second part of that statement...I'm not whining nor am I screaming unfairness... I find it extremely obnoxious and pretty much hypocritical of members to do that... It would be like you you passing by a broke down 240 owner and it was a couple of guys... ... Chances are you would continue driving.... but lets say in that same week.... you see another 240 owner and shes on the side of the road... you'll stop in a heart beat.. hell probably put cologne on too.. thats what is meant by hypocrit.. Favortism is being played because of ranking.

I had to laugh when you said maybe i should take some time to help people. I've done over 14 KA swaps, 2 rebuilds and 6 SR swaps for nothing, You know why... because a member on this board name Zunderpresur (aka 1SickZ) saved my *** with my first motor swap by coming over with 3 guys and working 7hrs on the car and when i offered to pay then generously.. he refused... So i know what it means to be helped and the feeling of satisfaction when I help some one... BTW... you should check on page 2 of your thread and scroll down a bit if you think i'm a whiner.....

Hey Jack -

Sometimes a bum will come up and ask me for a handout and I'll stroll on by - "Sorry, can't help ya."

Sometimes I'll drop a $10 on a brotha.

It's just the way things are. Get over it.

Besides, you never got "hooked up" by someone right out of the blue?

Quit hatin' on those who "pay it forward".

And you wonder why a few of us left NICO? Starting to wonder if Mike really was right on what he said was going on here....:-X

I know its just the way things are but there are also other ways of things be handled greg... I'm sure you know this... as do I.

[crzycav86]

OOOohhh drama! Time to grab popcorn and hit the refresh button every 5 minutes.... intense!

What happened to you not wanting to argue? Why don't you take the time to start a new thread with your complaints rather than waste a perfectly fine thread?

[C-Kwik]

Personally, the reasons for the people who are helping fiz out are their own. If they feel they can benefit in the long run by doing so then that is their business. Why do companies sponsor cars? To be generous? Of course not. They do it because they think it will generate more overall profit from the exposure. This is truly the real world. Politics exists everywhere. You have to learn to play the game. In fiz's case, I'm not sure he's actually playing the game. He just stumbled into it and happened to be a good candidate. Whether it's his status on NICO, or perhaps a car that many of us have been keeping an eye on throughout it's build, or maybe the fact that he is very active in a large Turbo KA forum and would easily get a lot of exposure. Hmm?

The real question here though is why are you complaining about this? It's a win-win situation for both parties - at least that's their assessment of it. Does it somehow affect you negatively? I would fail to see how.

Lastly, in reading the statement in your sig...noone actually asked for your opinion....and as far as I can tell, you asked for ours. "deal with whats coming"

I'm not really trying to flame you. I do not like hypocrits. You've stated you do not either. Yet, you contradict the statement in your sig. Hmm? You really should take some of your own medicine...Apparently you still need to learn the CYA part of the game too....

[EazyBreazy]

ALL B/S ASIDE......FIZ HURRY UP AND REBUILD THE DAMN THING........AND TELL US WHAT CAUSED THE FAILURE TOO YOU DERNED SLACKER.....

[paemt6220]

I know no one has said anything about me, But I wanted to add my 2 cents. I offered to help him out, and I have a blown motor myself. if any regular member knows any thing about how NICO runs and how little it would help me to "Help out a mod", Its me!! Maybe I offered because he is a mod, and I know the mods work there asses off for no compensation. Maybe Its because I have learned a lot from him. Maybe its because I want something from him in return. But most likely its because many members have offered to help me in my time of need and I wanted to pass on the NICO tradition of familyness!

I have also been "not helped" by several nico members in the past few weeks. I don't think coming here B***hing about it helps anyone either. Instead I am in a B***hing contest in our meets forum over whether its fair that someone has a meet for only one kind of car. NICO is the best most respectful forum I've ever seen(thats why I switched to here)!! But some people feel the need to come and disrespect people or thier cars because they think they somehow are entitled to something. I have gotten much more from NICO(and its members) than I have given back, and thats why I offered to help him.

Chad

[AZhitman]

And you wonder why a few of us left NICO? Starting to wonder if Mike really was right on what he said was going on here....:-X

I know its just the way things are but there are also other ways of things be handled greg... I'm sure you know this... as do I.

A few people left? I hadn't noticed, since we've added TWENTY THOUSAND MEMBERS since then.

Jackk, you tell me how you think it should have been handled. I'm waiting to hear your "solution" (although there's no need for a solution when no problem exists).

Since I'm obviously in control of what everyone does, I'll FORCE people to ignore Fiz's predicament and distribute their assistance evenly.

[superDorifto]

Go back to school and request a refund for english since you can't obviously read.... I never said it was because I wasn't receiving parts.... I could care less about parts.. I just know alot of damn good people on the boards that should deserve the same respect that don't get it... simple because of their title...

so let me get this straight... you post on a thread, started because $3000 dollars worth of hard earned money is now spread all over the highway, with thinly veiled accusations and generally negative opinions about the 90 or so other people who shared a comment on the situation. you also get your panties in a bunch when those other members call you out because of your negative attitude. fact is the situation does not concern you, PERIOD. HELL it does not concern 99 percent of the people on this tread. will the fact that Fiz's motor is in pieces keep you from paying your bills next month?....didnt think so. If he does get a deal on some parts, or a freebie to help him out, will money be missing from your piggy bank?....didnt think so. But to sit back and claim that your not instigating anything, or insinuating any sort of negativity in you post is an out right lie. so once again i say, dont be a hater. and thats all i have to say, this is not my thread, and im not going to post any more responses that do not relate to the topic at hand. You want to keep bitching start a new topic a$$

[PapaSmurf2k3]

Im so confused... what is the problem here??anyway... Fiz, I got that kid's number with the ka we were talking about, but I don't think he has done his SR swap yet. Ill wait to talk to you before I give him a call.

[fiznat]

Okay okay, enough of this BS. Thee 240sx Owner if you have a problem with me, then go ahead and contact me personally. This is a stupid argument and its detracting from this board that I am responsible for.

If youre going to keep on whining (and notice that NOBODY is agreeing with you), I am just going to start deleting the posts. Say something of substance, some real issue that can possibly be dealt with in a specific manner (regardless of the fact that the majority agrees there IS no issue), or else just leave it alone. Thats it.

PapaSmurf-- Nice man thanks! I'll catch ya on AIM or something soon hopefully-- goin to Watkins Glen till Monday (leaving tomorrow afternoon)-- but I am definitely still interested in it.

[huguetpj]

And then we have another act of kindness.... a friend of mine is doing his SR swap this coming January. He said he's going to give the KA motor to me for free.... want to know why? Cause I've helped him out a lot when it comes to turbos and stuff. Nough reason for him... more than good enough for me.

So fiz... it seems I'll be keeping the KA after all... it all depends on how the money rolls in from here to January. For now, the car is going to be stored at my mechanics... and maybe... just maybe... we'll open it up to see the damage. Rest assure, even though I'm not going to be in the country pics will be posted.

So.... another 5 months of downtime.... damn that sucks.

[sil80drifter]

I've talked to a friend of mine, and contradictory to my original thoughts that the rod failure could be caused by lack of oil (in reality this would just really really ruin the bearings and rodends) we've come to the conclusion that it was likely to have been detonation. The reason I thought this wouldn't e the case is because I felt that the pistons would receive the damage first and THEN the rods. But, in Fiz's case the pistons are forged, and pretty much every other part of the engine is new, EXCEPT for the rods (correct me if I'm wrong) I mean I know they have been re-shotpeened, etc but...

Piston engines being very sensitive to timing, and with most of us being much less concerned with it as we are with A/F ratios, it woudl be easy to give it a bit more timing (the AEM controls that aspect and with great precision) than was necessary for a SINGLE situation, but was ok for most of the other driving.You see when you run a LOT of boost (and I consider Fiz's such), every margin becomes much thinner. It's kind of obvious that if you run 10psi on a motor that was tuned for 20psi, there is very little chance that motor will blow. But if you tune it for 20, then you've got a very slim margin of error you can rely on for things like changing air temps (outside), rain, snow, humidity and elevation, let alone things like bad gas and dust on the road.

In other words, this is why some people (standalone management or not) always leave a huge margin of error. Such as running very conservative timing or oddly low A/F ratios (or both). They know that they could run them a bit higher and get away wit it 99.9% of the time. But since we all mostly drive our cars daily, and not on certain pre-set track conditions, it's very hard to predict when that devious moment wil present itself, when something "flies into your intake" so to speak. Something comes alogn for which the EU was not ready. The reason I don't look for problems in the A/F is because I've sen Fiz's dyno and they seemed to be on the safe side, he had no no "oh look I'm running 13.5 A/F" nonsense. And that really narrows it down. A/F or timing. It didn't seem like it was A/F.

I am also aware of the fact that the car was tuned by professionals, and this is what I think: It's very hard to make a good margin. As I've said before, it gets harder as the HP/boost goes up. I doubt Fiz did much wrong (or could do much wrong to cause something like this), if anything at all. And I'm not trying to make you feel better or worse, Fiz, it's just that this is one of those things that you had very little control over. The car was probably just fine, but the timing margin just a bit too narrow, and this is not something that could be heard or seen and taken care of. It's just that you needed a larger margin. One of the most dangerous situations for a daily car are high load low RPM, and of course WOT. The dyno takes very good care of the WOT, there is usually no tuning errors there (if there are, they bad at tuning).But street conditions, such as the high load low rpm, or other similar ones (such as going up a hill, or regular cruising, with or without boost) are hard to tune for. And for those you leave that margin as well, not just for the WOT conditions. This is the hard reality about compromising on a daily driver that is very fast. You want to make it driveable (gas mileage, comforts etc) while fast. The lower end of the spectrum (low rpm, WOT conditions) get less attention and are considered less important. Also, boostign on the freeway means this: a fast change in surrounding air temps and density. You're covering more ground and enconter many different kinds of air, whether you notice it or not.

Maybe Fiz has helped us all realize that tuning is not just A/F at 6500 RPM. You don't WOT it from your home to work (some do, haha, ok, you know what I mean). The road is not made up of perfectly straight 1/4 mile slices (no matter what Vin Diesel says). You can't tune the engine for JUST those upper 2-3k RPM and think that the low end is gonna take care of itself. The best thing to do is tune both dyno and street. And the latter can usually be done best on the street. The problem is that not eveyrone has that opportunity. Well guys, please try to do this. We put so much hard work and money into our cars that it'd be a shame to skip out on the last few steps. Learn from this, or you'll have it happen to you too.

Fiz, sorry your thread became so soapy, but in my opinion people help other when they can. You're in my state, you have the physical ability to come over with out much cost to you and take a part that I don't REALLY need, because I have a spare. If I can help you out that way, why the hell shouldn't I, you seem like a nice guy and we share the same interests. I think most of the people who offered to help did it for similar reasons. I seriously doubt there is any favoritism going on. That would be disgusting, and not NICO like.Anyway, I hope you get your rods and stuff from that guy and get it up and running soon enough to enjoy the rest fo the year, or at the very least next spring

On my side of the stick, I've been trying to get the damn intake manifold on but some studs in the head are bent, so I've been looking for ways to replace them with bolts. The engine is in and will hopefully run by next week. Then again you know how I've said that 2 months ago, although to my defense I wasn't in the country for the last 1.5 months.

sil80

[WDRacing]

Just a quick post for a point of view taken from outside the box.

Most of us blled into our porjects. I've recieved 3rd degree burns in the process of mine. So it's no surprise that I get upset when someone who isn't in my shoes or building my car criticises me when somthing breaks or somthing they simply would have done differently.

These projects become a very personal thing. I've been in love with my 240 and I've broken knuckles punching the hood and fender. But it's MINE, not yours.

Consider the things you post before you post them. Alot of us, myself included, will take what you say about a project I take part in very personally. It's called pride.

If I make comments about your personal life, you'll be upset with me. Same situation here.

Any further negative posts by anyone from this point on will be deleted and a warning sent to the member. Don't like it? Talk to me persoanlly, my email is [email protected] I'm always available for some discussion.

WD